mightymaron
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November 5th, 2011 at 4:57:46 AM permalink
I had read the thread here about BLR software and craps no pass bets winning only 25 percent. That made me think of an experience of mine where I was using the bonus casino game single zero Roulette from 5dimes. I had a sequence where I bet black each time and lost 20 times in a row. Here was the sequence

Time Description Bet Result
15:33:15
16 Black 9.00 -9.00
15:33:08
34 Black 5.00 -5.00
15:32:35
36 Black 25.00 -25.00
15:32:33
7 Black 25.00 -25.00
15:32:31
3 Black 25.00 -25.00
15:32:29
0 Black 25.00 -25.00
15:32:22
19 Black 5.00 -5.00
15:32:19
25 Black 5.00 -5.00
15:31:49
18 Black 10.00 -10.00
15:31:44
14 Black 100.00 -100.00
15:31:40
14 Black 5.00 -5.00
15:31:32
27 Black 5.00 -5.00
15:31:27
36 Black 100.00 -100.00
15:31:23
14 Black 5.00 -5.00
15:31:16
16 Black 50.00 -50.00
15:31:13
19 Black 25.00 -25.00
15:31:09
18 Black 5.00 -5.00
15:31:05
25 Black 5.00 -5.00
15:31:03
30 Black 5.00 -5.00
15:31:02
14 Black 5.00 -5.00

I had posted this sequence after it happened on SBR. Here is the thread :

Questions.

1. Whats the longest losing streak you have seen in a live casino only betting one color in single or double zero roulette? (The longest I have witnessed was 14 losses in a row betting same color each time)

2. What are the odds of losing twenty times in a roll a wager with a 1:1 payout with the chance of hitting a single roll/bet is 18/37 (single zero)

3. Considering the BLR craps no pass thread where 25% of bets were won on a near coin flip bet....should I be wary of playing the 5dimes bonus single zero roulette from now on? Could the 20 losses in a row be a sign that its rigged or adaptive?

TY
SOOPOO
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November 5th, 2011 at 5:27:37 AM permalink
Mighty??? Are you serious??? You have documented that 5 dimes cheated you.... Via the Wizard they have admitted that they used cheating software....... They are NOT returning the money they cheated you out of.... You were subject to an 'unlucky' streak that will happen about one in a million times....And you ask

"should I be wary of playing the 5dimes blah blah blah"

YOU ARE ACTUALLY CONSIDERING PLAYING AT THE 5DIMES CASINO AGAIN?????????????????????
Switch
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November 5th, 2011 at 5:33:55 AM permalink
How come there are only 1 or 2 seconds between spins? Were you playing on more than 1 wheel?

Easy to calculate the odds of losing 20 times in a row. If the odds of losing are 19/37 then you just use (19/37)^20.

This equals 0.00000162569 or about 1 in 615,124.
mightymaron
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November 5th, 2011 at 5:48:41 AM permalink
Quote: Switch

How come there are only 1 or 2 seconds between spins? Were you playing on more than 1 wheel?

Easy to calculate the odds of losing 20 times in a row. If the odds of losingare 19/37 then you just use (19/37)^20.

This equals 0.00000162569 or about 1 in 615,124.

Casino has a fast play mode. After you place the bet, you hit roll and the result is instanteouns. I knew I wanted to keep pounding the same bet(chasing). I varied my bets when I had the feeling it was going to be an awful streak, and I was right
mightymaron
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November 5th, 2011 at 6:07:48 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Mighty??? Are you serious??? You have documented that 5 dimes cheated you.... Via the Wizard they have admitted that they used cheating software....... They are NOT returning the money they cheated you out of.... You were subject to an 'unlucky' streak that will happen about one in a million times....And you ask

"should I be wary of playing the 5dimes blah blah blah"

YOU ARE ACTUALLY CONSIDERING PLAYING AT THE 5DIMES CASINO AGAIN?????????????????????

From this site I am approxiametly 1k more cashouts than withdrawls. I have had very good streaks at the bonus casino craps game. The bonus single zero ruolette is up and down. The BLR cashback craps was instant murder...have the session documented.
boymimbo
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November 5th, 2011 at 7:14:10 AM permalink
Maron. For experiments like these we can use the binomial distribution, where the probability of success is defined as 18/37. The number of trials is N, and the number of successes is S.

If you open up Excel:
In Cell A2, plug in the number of trials.
In Cell B2, plug in the number of successes (wins)
In Cell C2, plug in 18/37
In Cell D2, type in this formula: =BINOMDIST(A2,B2,C3,1).

Cell D2 will tell you the probability of S or less successes in the number of trials that you had.

Single zero roulette: Odds of losing Red or Black of less than 10,000,000:1

Trials: 100 - Successes - 23 or less
80 - Successes - 16 or less
60 - Successes - 10 or less.

One in a million is not completely awful. When the craps bias was found, the probabilities found (using a Chi Squared distribution) was of the order of trillions or quadrillions to one. Around here, eyebrows start getting raised at about 10,000,000 to one or less. And we're looking for adaptive software.

So, if you want to prove the Bonus Casino's roulette is cheating you, try more trials, and then try the opposite. So, try 100 on red, 100 on black, and if you only get a total of 60 or less successes, then you can say we have a problem.

----- You want the truth! You can't handle the truth!
mightymaron
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November 5th, 2011 at 8:34:24 AM permalink
boymimbo,

Thanks for the answer and the very detailed explanation.
Jufo81
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November 5th, 2011 at 9:12:34 AM permalink
Quote: mightymaron

2. What are the odds of losing twenty times in a roll a wager with a 1:1 payout with the chance of hitting a single roll/bet is 18/37 (single zero)

Like said the odds for losing 20 times in 20 bets is (19/37)^20 = 1/615123.

However, I understood from your post that you did more than 20 spins in total and within those spins had a sequence of 20 losses in a row. Therefore you need to also take into account how many spins in total you did.

If you know the total number of spins played, then the odds for 20 losses in a row within those spins can be calculated using the following calculator:

http://www.pulcinientertainment.com/info/Streak-Calculator-enter.html

For example if you played 1000 spins in total then the chance to have 20 losses in a row within those spins is 1 in 1288.
Jufo81
Joined: May 23, 2010
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November 5th, 2011 at 9:14:59 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Mighty??? Are you serious??? You have documented that 5 dimes cheated you.... Via the Wizard they have admitted that they used cheating software....... They are NOT returning the money they cheated you out of.... You were subject to an 'unlucky' streak that will happen about one in a million times....And you ask

"should I be wary of playing the 5dimes blah blah blah"

YOU ARE ACTUALLY CONSIDERING PLAYING AT THE 5DIMES CASINO AGAIN?????????????????????

He is talking about a different casino within the same bookie. This second casino hasn't been suspected of foul play so far.
SOOPOO
Joined: Aug 8, 2010