calling all doubters

we already know this but its a brand new video about it so here ya go

Good video. So good I can't think of anything to fault it for.

First off, I think it’s time to recognize the people who claimed this was possible - hell more likely than probable that it was happening somewhere.

Sure, in regulated environments it may not have been happening… but I’ll tell you that the procedure for fixing and cleaning those things at my local casino barely involves security in any way. They pile them up and do it all out on the casino floor in the open. Give me one good distraction and I’ll get whatever they had in that video on to one in no time. Hell it might be easier to bribe the tech to just put it on one specific one.

Ron Harris told everyone there was vulnerabilities with the slots because of his trusted position and look what he did and how long ago it happened.

As soon as these things came out there is no doubt in my mind that some engineer knew this and this is our stoopid way of telling the public. Wrapped up nicely so our brains don’t say waiiit a minute!

Also I can’t stop thinking about that quote that Dave miller said in his thread about the shuffle master guy he knew that said something about a new shuffle rather than a new game.

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I would think - but I admit that I am not sure - that if a player was caught putting a device into that machine as shown in the vid that it may be an offense that could result in the player being criminally charged

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wow.. good thing i'm not that hard core of a poker player to goto private games with a card shuffler .

So I watched the video. Three questions come to mind (1) Why TF would a manufacturer include working USB ports?I know that certain motherboard manufacturers supply boards with ethernet, but a hardware lockout isn't too hard to do, even if it's some dude with a soldering iron breaking connections. Even a screw on cover plate would suffice. (2) Why TF would a casino allow a patron to plug anything in to a piece of casino equipment? Phone's going dead? There's powerbanks available for sale at the gift shop. (3) Why TF would a casino allow a player to use a cellphone or a computing device while a hand is in progress, even after they've folded?? Either step away from the table for the duration of the hand or wait until the hand is completed. If the player don't like it, oh well.

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(3) Why TF would a casino allow a player to use a cellphone or a computing device while a hand is in progress, even after they've folded?? Either step away from the table for the duration of the hand or wait until the hand is completed. If the player don't like it, oh well.
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I'm still thinking that for anyone who can subversively reprogram the shuffler, adding a minor enhancement to the cell phone app to allow either player to fold out and use the vibrate buzzer as a thumper is only a minor amount of incremental work.

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(3) Why TF would a casino allow a player to use a cellphone or a computing device while a hand is in progress, even after they've folded?? Either step away from the table for the duration of the hand or wait until the hand is completed. If the player don't like it, oh well.
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I'm still thinking that for anyone who can subversively reprogram the shuffler, adding a minor enhancement to the cell phone app to allow either player to fold out and use the vibrate buzzer as a thumper is only a minor amount of incremental work.
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Because people like to use their phones at the table, and the risk of cheating falls on other players not the casino directly in poker, so the casino calculus to allow phones at the table is very different for poker than other table games.

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So I watched the video. Three questions come to mind (1) Why TF would a manufacturer include working USB ports?I...
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Most modern machines have a USB port on them, for charging use but I don't know if they transfer any data too.

But to include them on a shuffler would make for great security, if you do it right. That is known as "air gapped" or a "Nike network."

The way you would do it with shufflers is: you have an app running on a PC and that sets up a USB stick, writes an "auth.dat" file with the operator's password and the day's work. Retrieve logs, purge logs, update software, user and password maintenance etc. and all of those tasks would require a different level of authority. Changing passwords or adding/removing/promoting users would likely be the highest security level.

But then I could take that USB stick and hand it to any employee, "Put it into each machine, wait until the light turns green and go to the next machine, then bring it back to me." The shuffler detects when a USB has been inserted, goes to the auth.dat for the password and task list, makes sure there is proper authorization and does what it is supposed to do, with everything it needs available on that USB. Now I can put that USB back into the PC and it has all the logs and all the records of the tasks that were just done, but nothing is connected to the shufflers or the maintenance PC. Impossible to hack without physical access!

Of course the USB stick would be encrypted too, in case it gets lost, stolen, or misused while the employee is walking around with it but that's no big deal because each shuffler would have the decryption password.