ten2win
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January 18th, 2011 at 4:44:04 AM permalink
I was at the local Native American Casino yesterday, 6X points on a holiday promo...only 3X points for VP! I played the many varieties of VP on .25 cent machines, max bet $1.25 for around 4 hours. I got close to 10,000 points by the time I left. 3 or 4 4OAK's, No SF or RF. I lost $100 for my session. 8/5 JOB machines, a little BP and DDB

I'm mainly writing to ask what is the fascination with Video Keno?????????? The sheep seem to be totally enthralled with it. .05, .25, $1.00 denominations are packed with players, usually hogging the multi-game machines that I like for VP.

I just don't get it. This is why I need my iPod while playing VP, that constant sound of the plunk, plunk, plunk from the keno balls dropping makes me crazy!!!
I don't know everything but I know a lot.
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January 18th, 2011 at 5:18:40 AM permalink
As a professional Keno Player, let me tell you that fascination is the proper word. Why you need only attend our annual televised three-day event, The World Series of Keno and see all those gorgeous women throwing themselves at the feet of the world's best Keno players to realize how fascinating Keno can be. Since I play Keno for a living, I have to play both Live Keno and Video Keno so I am expert in each! Live Keno with its forty percent house edge can be great. Its kind of slow, but you can bet as little as one dollar a game and its great fun before the bus-driver from the retirement home shows up to take you back. And you get a free cup of coffee from the casino to boot!!

Now the real action for us Keno Professionals is in Video Keno. Just think, you put up an image of Cleopatra and the machine rakes in money hand over fist. You don't have to pay no licensing fees to use Cleopatra's image. Indeed you better not use Cleopatra's image because she was only thirteen years old at the time, but those Video Keno machines make a mint. Twelve percent house edge and the players get to chat with their neighbors about strategy and even get a freebie from the casino every now and then. The current rage is Four Card Keno with 5 spots. Now I happen to teach a seminar on my super secret strategy where I throw the terms 'edge' and 'overlap' around alot, so you take my seminar and after that I'll let you know why the casinos love slot machine players.

IMPORTANT NOTE: The above was intended to be a humorous post. I am regretful that apparently someone took it seriously.
To be precise:
There is no such thing as a professional keno player. The house edge is far too great for anyone to make a living at keno. Ever!
There is no such thing as a World Series of Keno. Since it does not exist, it certainly is never televised!
There are no gorgeous women throwing themselves at the feet of these non-existent professional keno players.
Most of the women who play keno if they threw themselves at a man's feet would need a cane to get up again.
Video keno does have a better payout than Live Keno, but its still a bad payout and it is played rapidly so its a relentless house edge.
I do not teach any keno seminars about a super secret strategy. There is no such thing as a strategy for playing keno. None. All those people who talk about 'edge' and 'overlap' on keno cards are idiots if they believe that nonsense.
Cleopatra was indeed 13 years old at the time she met Julius Ceasar she has been dead far too long to collect royalties on Cleopatra Keno.
Keno is entertainment for people who enjoy giving money to a casino. If you are one of those who enjoy playing against a whoppingly high house edge, so be it.
Martin
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January 18th, 2011 at 7:02:44 AM permalink
For the same reason that people everywhere flock to BINGO - low investment + large prize potential coupled with no thinking necessary.
MathExtremist
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January 18th, 2011 at 8:59:09 AM permalink
That's true for Keno, but there's a lot of thinking going on in Bingo, at least with live paper-based games. I grew up with video games and I have reasonably good reflexes. Yet there are veteran bingo players over twice my age playing 18 cards at a time who can out-daub me. Indeed, of all the wagering games commonly offered in Las Vegas, oft-overlooked Bingo requires the most well-tuned reflexes of all of them. If you don't believe me, just ask anyone who's ever slept a bingo in a crowded game, only to lose on the next ball.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
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January 18th, 2011 at 9:19:51 AM permalink
At the rate they call out numbers in Hawaiian Gardens, California no one can fall asleep. Nod off for fourteen seconds and you've missed two, perhaps three, numbers.
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January 18th, 2011 at 10:57:12 AM permalink
The best paytables at video keno return 92-94% (though the latter is rare), so the players at those games are usually getting a better gamble than slot players. Plus, there's the somewhat hypnotic aspect of the bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop....
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
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January 18th, 2011 at 12:59:25 PM permalink
I'm not sure what it is either...when I want to play a vP machine, it's always someone on it either playing video keno or mindless 5c vP (1 nickle at a time)
Now, I'm saying I've never played video keno, and I've WON at video keno (I've hit $200-$300 off of a 25c bet), but if I'm actually there to play, you can believe I'm playing vP.
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
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April 5th, 2011 at 2:36:09 PM permalink
Hi fleastiff, I play mainly 4 card keno in tunica and vicksburg and love it. I am retired and can take a little money and have something to do, I have hunted, trapped and fished all my life but I have never had this much fun. I am very interested in you seminar on strategy, I am always looking for something or information on keno. I can play blackjack, video poker ect but I think that they are boring and I can bet with my money (cheap). I have hit some good things one 8 spot several 7, lots of 6out of 6s and have been playing for about 2 years. When my wife retires we plan to move to vegas or some area around their, they have cut the pay tables on vide poker and some keno here (wife hates keno loves vp) maybe I will be able to catch one of your semiars. Punter dad
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April 5th, 2011 at 3:01:56 PM permalink
I play keno whenever I take a break from vp and I've hit some good progressive jackpots, although not often. It may not be a very smart game to play because of the payback, but most of their jackpots are much higher than the 4000 credits received for a royal flush. That's what makes it fun.
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June 20th, 2011 at 12:48:31 PM permalink
with the right paytable and a little luck video keno can be a very profitable game. Low risk ,high reward ,where else in the casino can you bet 25 cents and win $1175 for an 8 of 9 hit or $1750 for a 7 of 7 which has slightly better odds than hitting a royal flush in vP where you have to play $1.25 to win a thousand. Do not get me wrong it can be a boring game and you hit long spells between hits sometimes but it is a good change every now and then. I love to shoot craps and Play Black Jack or Spanish 21 but I always play some video Keno and it has been profitable. Who knows with that said I might not hit another jackpot for a long time but my last trip I hit a 8 of 9 with two 6 of 7's for a nice jackpot. Had the 8 of 9 been a nine of nine well that would have just made my year. Its always only if.
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August 24th, 2011 at 3:08:28 PM permalink
Anyone know of a list of Vegas casinos with progressive video keno? Or, at the very least, anyone know of any Vegas casinos that have progressive video keno machines?
0ldGamb00ler
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December 31st, 2019 at 4:26:15 PM permalink
Never say never!

www.facebook.com/boulderstation/photos/the-very-first-world-series-of-keno-has-a-winnercongratulations-to-earl-from-sun/10156722548502690
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January 1st, 2020 at 3:10:13 AM permalink
Quote: 0ldGamb00ler

Never say never!

www.facebook.com/boulderstation/photos/the-very-first-world-series-of-keno-has-a-winnercongratulations-to-earl-from-sun/10156722548502690

Was that you that won the keno contest? If so how much was the entry fee and how much was the prize money? Did the casino add anything to the contest or will they just giving back the the entry fees to one person?

Also take note to the $180,000 sequential Royal. Not a bad hit for a single line $1.
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Back when I was am I very early 20s when I worked at a casino. I knew a barback , who became a bartender that hit two $1 reversibles/ sequential's for 50,000 in a short period of time, I believe we hit some $5 stuff as well. He was Big Man on Campus for a while and even dated one of the cocktail waitresses who I was friends with. He quickly became one of the shift bar managers. He was a really nice guy and fairly intelligent, so perhaps management was in this future regardless.

Life was looking good, flushed with cash, good job and a nice girlfriend. Fast forward a few years later(3 to 6) I ran into him at Palace Station while I was on a play. He was playing nickel video poker and didn't look so good, he gained a bunch of weight, he looked like he had been up to for days without a shower and no sleep. I asked him how things were going explain to me how everything was going terrible.

He probably didn't stay hydrated.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
heatmap
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January 1st, 2020 at 2:58:50 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

As a professional Keno Player, let me tell you that fascination is the proper word. Why you need only attend our annual televised three-day event, The World Series of Keno and see all those gorgeous women throwing themselves at the feet of the world's best Keno players to realize how fascinating Keno can be. Since I play Keno for a living, I have to play both Live Keno and Video Keno so I am expert in each! Live Keno with its forty percent house edge can be great. Its kind of slow, but you can bet as little as one dollar a game and its great fun before the bus-driver from the retirement home shows up to take you back. And you get a free cup of coffee from the casino to boot!!

Now the real action for us Keno Professionals is in Video Keno. Just think, you put up an image of Cleopatra and the machine rakes in money hand over fist. You don't have to pay no licensing fees to use Cleopatra's image. Indeed you better not use Cleopatra's image because she was only thirteen years old at the time, but those Video Keno machines make a mint. Twelve percent house edge and the players get to chat with their neighbors about strategy and even get a freebie from the casino every now and then. The current rage is Four Card Keno with 5 spots. Now I happen to teach a seminar on my super secret strategy where I throw the terms 'edge' and 'overlap' around alot, so you take my seminar and after that I'll let you know why the casinos love slot machine players.

IMPORTANT NOTE: The above was intended to be a humorous post. I am regretful that apparently someone took it seriously.
To be precise:
There is no such thing as a professional keno player. The house edge is far too great for anyone to make a living at keno. Ever!
There is no such thing as a World Series of Keno. Since it does not exist, it certainly is never televised!
There are no gorgeous women throwing themselves at the feet of these non-existent professional keno players.
Most of the women who play keno if they threw themselves at a man's feet would need a cane to get up again.
Video keno does have a better payout than Live Keno, but its still a bad payout and it is played rapidly so its a relentless house edge.
I do not teach any keno seminars about a super secret strategy. There is no such thing as a strategy for playing keno. None. All those people who talk about 'edge' and 'overlap' on keno cards are idiots if they believe that nonsense.
Cleopatra was indeed 13 years old at the time she met Julius Ceasar she has been dead far too long to collect royalties on Cleopatra Keno.
Keno is entertainment for people who enjoy giving money to a casino. If you are one of those who enjoy playing against a whoppingly high house edge, so be it.



There was one pro and he exploited machines just like the Russians do the slot machines these days he just did it at a time where no one cared and he just so happen to be a part of the creation of the keno game that he exploited
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January 1st, 2020 at 8:59:13 PM permalink
Quote: heatmap

There was one pro and he exploited machines just like the Russians do the slot machines these days he just did it at a time where no one cared and he just so happen to be a part of the creation of the keno game that he exploited

link please.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 24th, 2020 at 10:37:24 PM permalink
There was no entry fee. You had to qualify by finishing in one of the top four places at one of the Stations Casinos weekly keno tournaments. There was about a 3 month long qualifying period. If you qualified more than once, you only got one free entry into the WSOK.

To win the WSOK tournament you had to accumulate the most wins over the 2+ days that the event ran. Participants played the Boulder Station live keno game with their own cash keeping all wins and accumulating their tournament score.

It was supposed to be an annual tournament like the WSOP. Stations even went to the trouble of getting a trademark for "World Series of Keno". I enquired at a few local Stations casinos but management hadn't made any announcement about a 2020 WSOK. Then COVID19 hit.
0ldGamb00ler
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May 24th, 2020 at 10:53:56 PM permalink
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There was one pro and he exploited machines just like the Russians do the slot machines these days he just did it at a time where no one cared and he just so happen to be a part of the creation of the keno game that he exploited



Perhaps, heatmap is referring to Ronald Harris. He was a Nevada Gaming Control Board employee who's job it was to test slot machines throughout the state. He had access to the software that ran on the slot machines and was able to manipulate it to produce winning combinations.

He and an accomplice managed to cheat a keno machine in Atlantic City. They drew suspicion and were quickly arrested. The accomplice got immunity for testifying against the mastermind.
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May 25th, 2020 at 1:08:06 AM permalink
Quote: 0ldGamb00ler

There was no entry fee. You had to qualify by finishing in one of the top four places at one of the Stations Casinos weekly keno tournaments. There was about a 3 month long qualifying period. If you qualified more than once, you only got one free entry into the WSOK.

To win the WSOK tournament you had to accumulate the most wins over the 2+ days that the event ran. Participants played the Boulder Station live keno game with their own cash keeping all wins and accumulating their tournament score.

It was supposed to be an annual tournament like the WSOP. Stations even went to the trouble of getting a trademark for "World Series of Keno". I enquired at a few local Stations casinos but management hadn't made any announcement about a 2020 WSOK. Then COVID19 hit.

$ amount accumulated? Any other fine print details? Total prize money ?

Assuming the prize money was good enough this would be easily exploited.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 25th, 2020 at 11:21:21 AM permalink
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He and an accomplice managed to cheat a keno machine in Atlantic City. They drew suspicion and were quickly arrested. The accomplice got immunity for testifying against the mastermind.



It wasn't a casino slot machine, it was their live Keno that they mapped the RNG for.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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May 25th, 2020 at 12:35:44 PM permalink
I have read two articles on the case. One agreed with you that it was live keno and the other said it was a machine. In the end, I believe that since the keno drawing was in fact determined by a machine rather than the old style ball blower, I will consider that they cheated a keno machine.

I do know one pro who clocked a ball blower keno game and discovered sufficiently skewed frequencies in a casino with very low hold. He made quite a bit, but I believe most of the win was from variance in his favor. He was ultimately banned from that establishment and one other but I have no knowledge about the latter. The casino also increased the hold on their keno game. I had on occasion sat and slowly played their low hold keno game as cover for other "activities".
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May 25th, 2020 at 6:31:25 PM permalink
Quote: 0ldGamb00ler

Perhaps, heatmap is referring to Ronald Harris. He was a Nevada Gaming Control Board employee who's job it was to test slot machines throughout the state. He had access to the software that ran on the slot machines and was able to manipulate it to produce winning combinations.

He and an accomplice managed to cheat a keno machine in Atlantic City. They drew suspicion and were quickly arrested. The accomplice got immunity for testifying against the mastermind.



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May 25th, 2020 at 6:39:46 PM permalink
Quote: 0ldGamb00ler

I have read two articles on the case. One agreed with you that it was live keno and the other said it was a machine. In the end, I believe that since the keno drawing was in fact determined by a machine rather than the old style ball blower, I will consider that they cheated a keno machine.
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It was definitely a machine, just not a slot machine that individuals could play.

BTW, my wife and I knew Ron Harris. My wife worked with him and she probably still has his phone number if he hasn't changed it.
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