Roulette questions

I just recently discovered roulette, so I have few questions about the betting on it.

1. What are the payouts for numbers 1 and 17 in Orphelins bet?

2. What is the real profit you get from those payouts?

3. What means total payout odds 6.2 to 1 in case with neighbours bet? It means I will win x6.2 from every $1 bet or something else?

4. Why with Finales a Cheval 6/9 bet we don’t bet a Straight Up bet on 36?

5. What are the real payouts for Finale en Plein 8 and Finale en Plein 6 bets? Are those 32:1 and 31:1?

6. How much profit I can get from Finales a Cheval on 7,10 payout?

7. What is the smallest number of chips I will need for the complete bet?

8. I play a multiplier game where I get €135 once in 20 spins

Every other spins brings me €7 losses

I need €140 to hit a multiplier that will bring me €135

What is the MINIMUM bankroll I'll need for a 200 spin session?

9. Can someone explain me the progression behind this strategy (James Bond)?

Spin 1: £20 wagered in total (as shown higher up)

• £14 on 19 – 36. Win = £28 minus £20 wagered = win of £8
• £5 on the Line bet. Win = £30 minus £20 wagered = win of £10
• £1 on 0. Win = £36 minus £20 wagered = win of £16

Spin 2: £49 wagered, plus the £20 wagered on Spin 1, resulting in a total of £69

• £35 on 19 – 36. Win = £70 minus £69 wagered = win of £1
• £12 on the Line bet. Win = £72 minus £69 wagered = win of £3
• £2 on 0. Win = £72 minus £69 wagered = win of £3

Spin 3: £162 wagered, plus £49 from Spin 2 and £20 from Spin 1, resulting in a total of £231

• £116 on 19 – 36. Win = £232 minus £231 wagered = win of £1
• £39 on Line bet. Win = £234 minus £231 wagered = win of £3
• £7 on 0. Win = £252 minus £231 wagered = win of £21

Why we wager £49 on Spin 2 and £162 on Spin 3?

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I just recently discovered roulette, so I have few questions about the betting on it.

1. What are the payouts for numbers 1 and 17 in Orphelins bet?

Orphelins Plein or Orphilins en Cheval? I'll assume the more common Orphelin en Cheval on a European single zero table.
Assuming your wager is made up of Straight 1 and Splits on each of 6-9, 14-17, 17-20, 31-34, (5 chips total wager)
If 1 or 17 spins, you will collect 36 chips in total. 31 Chips net profit.
If any of the other covered numbers wins, you collect a total of 19 chips. 14 Chips net profit.

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2. What is the real profit you get from those payouts?

Answer above. But it's still a -EV bet, where you will tend to lose 1/37 of all the chips you wager.

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3. What means total payout odds 6.2 to 1 in case with neighbours bet? It means I will win x6.2 from every $1 bet or something else?

With the neighbours bet you are simply placing 5 chips to cover 5 adjacent numbers. If one of them hits, you collect a total of 36 chips. that can be referred to as 36 FOR 5 or 35 TO 5. If you divide by 5 to simplify, it's 7.2 FOR 1 or 6.2 TO 1
But it's still a -EV bet, where you will tend to lose 1/37 of all the chips you wager.

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4. Why with Finales a Cheval 6/9 bet we don’t bet a Straight Up bet on 36?

Why would you? 36 is covered by the split on 29/36

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5. What are the real payouts for Finale en Plein 8 and Finale en Plein 6 bets? Are those 32:1 and 31:1?

Finale en Plein 8, you place one chip on each of 8, 18 and 28. If one of those wins you have put down 3 chips and collected a total of 36. If you are treating it as one wager, then you put the total of chips wagered into your denominator
That's 36 FOR 3 or 35 TO 3 Or 35:3 = 11.67:1 I don't know where you get 32:1 or 31:1

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6. How much profit I can get from Finales a Cheval on 7,10 payout?

Finale a cheval 7,10 3- chip bet covers 7/10, 17/20, 27/30 with 3 chips on the splits
If one of those numbers wins, you collect 36 chips for a profit of 33 chips.

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7. What is the smallest number of chips I will need for the complete bet?

It depends what number you are betting the complete bet on. Cheapest is the zero where you place 17 chips.
The complete bet is all about getting max cover on a number and possibly overcome the table max. so 17x the table max.

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8. I play a multiplier game where I get €135 once in 20 spins

No idea what that means.

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Every other spins brings me €7 losses

Then don't bet on those spins! $:o)

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I need €140 to hit a multiplier that will bring me €135

What is the MINIMUM bankroll I'll need for a 200 spin session?

ONE, so long as your first wager wins and you stay ahead (unlikely)
Might be 200, if every wager loses.
So, somewhere in between depending how lucky you are and how assured you want to be.

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9. Can someone explain me the progression behind this strategy (James Bond)?

Spin 1: £20 wagered in total (as shown higher up)

• £14 on 19 – 36. Win = £28 minus £20 wagered = win of £8
• £5 on the Line bet. Win = £30 minus £20 wagered = win of £10
• £1 on 0. Win = £36 minus £20 wagered = win of £16

Spin 2: £49 wagered, plus the £20 wagered on Spin 1, resulting in a total of £69

• £35 on 19 – 36. Win = £70 minus £69 wagered = win of £1
• £12 on the Line bet. Win = £72 minus £69 wagered = win of £3
• £2 on 0. Win = £72 minus £69 wagered = win of £3

Spin 3: £162 wagered, plus £49 from Spin 2 and £20 from Spin 1, resulting in a total of £231

• £116 on 19 – 36. Win = £232 minus £231 wagered = win of £1
• £39 on Line bet. Win = £234 minus £231 wagered = win of £3
• £7 on 0. Win = £252 minus £231 wagered = win of £21

Why we wager £49 on Spin 2 and £162 on Spin 3?
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I've no idea on your latter questions. It all stops for me when I hit the fact that whatever sexy bets I might place, I will tend to lose 1 chip for every 37 chips placed.... Actually half of that, because I only wager the even money bets with La Partage rule in action.

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9. Can someone explain me the progression behind this strategy (James Bond)?

Spin 1: £20 wagered in total (as shown higher up)

• £14 on 19 – 36. Win = £28 minus £20 wagered = win of £8
• £5 on the Line bet. Win = £30 minus £20 wagered = win of £10
• £1 on 0. Win = £36 minus £20 wagered = win of £16

Spin 2: £49 wagered, plus the £20 wagered on Spin 1, resulting in a total of £69

• £35 on 19 – 36. Win = £70 minus £69 wagered = win of £1
• £12 on the Line bet. Win = £72 minus £69 wagered = win of £3
• £2 on 0. Win = £72 minus £69 wagered = win of £3

Spin 3: £162 wagered, plus £49 from Spin 2 and £20 from Spin 1, resulting in a total of £231

• £116 on 19 – 36. Win = £232 minus £231 wagered = win of £1
• £39 on Line bet. Win = £234 minus £231 wagered = win of £3
• £7 on 0. Win = £252 minus £231 wagered = win of £21

Why we wager £49 on Spin 2 and £162 on Spin 3?
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I am guessing it is because somebody is trying to keep the bet ratios close to the first bet's 14:5:1 while betting the minimum needed so that any of the numbers results in an overall profit.

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9. Can someone explain me the progression behind this strategy (James Bond)?

Spin 1: £20 wagered in total (as shown higher up)

• £14 on 19 – 36. Win = £28 minus £20 wagered = win of £8
• £5 on the Line bet. Win = £30 minus £20 wagered = win of £10
• £1 on 0. Win = £36 minus £20 wagered = win of £16

Spin 2: £49 wagered, plus the £20 wagered on Spin 1, resulting in a total of £69

• £35 on 19 – 36. Win = £70 minus £69 wagered = win of £1
• £12 on the Line bet. Win = £72 minus £69 wagered = win of £3
• £2 on 0. Win = £72 minus £69 wagered = win of £3

Spin 3: £162 wagered, plus £49 from Spin 2 and £20 from Spin 1, resulting in a total of £231

• £116 on 19 – 36. Win = £232 minus £231 wagered = win of £1
• £39 on Line bet. Win = £234 minus £231 wagered = win of £3
• £7 on 0. Win = £252 minus £231 wagered = win of £21

Why we wager £49 on Spin 2 and £162 on Spin 3?
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I am guessing it is because somebody is trying to keep the bet ratios close to the first bet's 14:5:1 while betting the minimum needed so that any of the numbers results in an overall profit.
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What is this ratio you speak of is it OPs system?

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What is this ratio you speak of is it OPs system?

The first spin's bets are in the ratio 14:5:1. The second spin's bets is close to that (35:12.5:2.5 would be exact), but it still has an overall profit if any of the three bets on the second spin win. Similarly, 112:40:8 is in the same ratio, but the 19-36 bet has to be higher than that because that particular set of bets only wins £224, so the overall result is a loss of £7.

Thank you for the detailed answers!

I have a question regarding the Neighbours bet though. As far as I understand, the Neighbours bet is simply a 5 Straight Up bets. So if one of the numbers win I get back 31:1?

The Straight Up number payout is 35:1 and since with the Neighbours bet I wager 5 chips I subtract 4 from 35?

Or… ?

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Thank you for the detailed answers!

I have a question regarding the Neighbours bet though. As far as I understand, the Neighbours bet is simply a 5 Straight Up bets. So if one of the numbers win I get back 31:1?

The Straight Up number payout is 35:1 and since with the Neighbours bet I wager 5 chips I subtract 4 from 35?

Or… ?
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If you place 5 straight bets, one chip each, and one wins, you should get 36 chips.
If none win, you lose 5 chips.

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Thank you for the detailed answers!

I have a question regarding the Neighbours bet though. As far as I understand, the Neighbours bet is simply a 5 Straight Up bets. So if one of the numbers win I get back 31:1?

The Straight Up number payout is 35:1 and since with the Neighbours bet I wager 5 chips I subtract 4 from 35?

Or… ?
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If you place 5 straight bets, one chip each, and one wins, you should get 36 chips.
If none win, you lose 5 chips.
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If one wins you should get 36 chips AND lose 4 chips.

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Thank you for the detailed answers!

I have a question regarding the Neighbours bet though. As far as I understand, the Neighbours bet is simply a 5 Straight Up bets. So if one of the numbers win I get back 31:1?

The Straight Up number payout is 35:1 and since with the Neighbours bet I wager 5 chips I subtract 4 from 35?

Or… ?
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If you place 5 straight bets, one chip each, and one wins, you should get 36 chips.
If none win, you lose 5 chips.
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If one wins you should get 36 chips AND lose 4 chips.
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In my mind, it's 36 for 5 on a win, 0 for 5 on a not-win.

Sorry for the confusion.

When Beau Rivage opened 20 years ago they allowed a neighbors bet but they left the original bets on and active if you hit a number. It had a nice positive EV that lasted over a week.

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Thank you for the detailed answers!

I have a question regarding the Neighbours bet though. As far as I understand, the Neighbours bet is simply a 5 Straight Up bets. So if one of the numbers win I get back 31:1?

The Straight Up number payout is 35:1 and since with the Neighbours bet I wager 5 chips I subtract 4 from 35?

Or… ?
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If you place 5 straight bets, one chip each, and one wins, you should get 36 chips.
If none win, you lose 5 chips.
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If one wins you should get 36 chips AND lose 4 chips.
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In my mind, it's 36 for 5 on a win, 0 for 5 on a not-win.

Sorry for the confusion.
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Ah I see. It’s 5 bets of 35 to 1 that turns into 1 bet of 36 FOR 5. That’s a confusing way to think about if for me, but understand what you are saying.

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Thank you for the detailed answers!

I have a question regarding the Neighbours bet though. As far as I understand, the Neighbours bet is simply a 5 Straight Up bets. So if one of the numbers win I get back 31:1?

The Straight Up number payout is 35:1 and since with the Neighbours bet I wager 5 chips I subtract 4 from 35?

Or… ?
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If you place 5 straight bets, one chip each, and one wins, you should get 36 chips.
If none win, you lose 5 chips.
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If one wins you should get 36 chips AND lose 4 chips.
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In my mind, it's 36 for 5 on a win, 0 for 5 on a not-win.

Sorry for the confusion.
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Ah I see. It’s 5 bets of 35 to 1 that turns into 1 bet of 36 FOR 5. That’s a confusing way to think about if for me, but understand what you are saying.
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If you want to quote ONE odds ratio, you need it to be treated as one manufactured wager.