HotBlonde Challenge Round 2
Well, If the simple terms offered in my last post are acceptable to you, then I'd like to wager $125 at even money.Quote: HotBlondeYes, we have to all agree on the terms. I'm waiting to hear from Mike on the subject. I live in Los Angeles and will most likely be here on my birthday if not already on vacation. But in regards to the odds Mike, when I spoke to him a while back on this, had suggested 1:1. Again, I'm waiting to hear from him on all of this.
Decide after Mike's wager is booked:
If/when you accept the wager, remember that without more action from Mike or others, you will lack the incentive to make the weight goal, but my wager would continue.
GWAE already said he would engage in a bet unless a DNA test was implimented among other things.
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I am sorry that you are experiencing auditory hallucinations. Please consult a physician if they persist.Quote: HotBlondeWhat in the world are you even talking about? I'm hearing a cuckoo clock go off.
My post was quite obvious and clearly presented.
I made reference to the fact that fifteen minutes of shivering in a freezer is equivalent to one hour of exercising.
Then I made reference to the fact that I found your post to be 'artfully worded' which of course is a euphemism for 'deceptively worded', but I did not want to seem to be making any personal attack.
Quote: WizardofnothingYou may want to stay away from disclosing pms Mike has told me its COMPELTELY UNALLOWED which is why I was vague- you pretty much just opened up soopoo to a suspension for publically stating that he disclosed even bobs pms
Is there a statute of limitations for this offense? I thought it was 3 years? If not I will accept a suspension, and be the first one due to this thread!
Quote: HotBlondeYes, we have to all agree on the terms. I'm waiting to hear from Mike on the subject. I live in Los Angeles and will most likely be here on my birthday if not already on vacation. But in regards to the odds Mike, when I spoke to him a while back on this, had suggested 1:1. Again, I'm waiting to hear from him on all of this.
I'm going to propose a different bet with you, so tell me if you are interested in this, I'll be Laying (small) Odds:
I believe you said your weight goal is 164.6 by May 13th of 2017. The bet that I am proposing with you is as follows:
If you meet your weight loss goal by May 13th of 2017 AND you weigh less than 190 pounds on May 13th of 2018, then I shall pay you in the sum of $120.
If you EITHER fail to make your May 13th goal OR weigh in excess of 190 pounds on May 13th of 2018, then you shall pay me in the sum of $100.
Do we have a bet?
I would obviously require video confirmation of you weighing in at less than 200 on May 13th 2018, but we would not need to have a live weigh-in.
Quote: Mission146I'm going to propose a different bet with you, so tell me if you are interested in this, I'll be Laying (small) Odds:
I believe you said your weight goal is 164.6 by May 13th of 2017. The bet that I am proposing with you is as follows:
If you meet your weight loss goal by May 13th of 2017 AND you weigh less than 190 pounds on May 13th of 2018, then I shall pay you in the sum of $120.
If you EITHER fail to make your May 13th goal OR weigh in excess of 190 pounds on May 13th of 2018, then you shall pay me in the sum of $100.
Do we have a bet?
I would obviously require video confirmation of you weighing in at less than 200 on May 13th 2018, but we would not need to have a live weigh-in.
But if I win then I won't get paid the $100 until May 13, 2018? That's almost 2 years from now.
That's fair. I'll take his bet then.Quote: WizardofnothingIf the money is an issue - I'll front the 100 from mission when you lose the weight and then a year later if you are above 190 you would pay 220
It is that easy... The hard part isn't losing weight... It's the motivation to actually do it. HB has reasons to do it and is motivated. At that point losing weight really isn't that hard.Quote: GWAEIf it was that easy to drop 100 pounds then obesity wouldn't be an epidemic.
I've also cut weight for MMA and grapling competitions. I was already "fit" and in shape and I "lost" 45 lbs in about 6 weeks. Oh, and btw I lost 15 lbs in the last 36 hours before the weight-in... The human body has a ton of water weight.
While HB clearly doesn't want a long bet, this is really the only bet I see. You can't fake it. You can't cut 20lbs of water weight the last day or two. This proves you lost it and are keeping it off, thus a real change and it's not temporary.Quote: WizardofnothingI think more of an issue is keeping it off...
***The 10 days doesn't really matter, FYI. She could dehydrate for the final weight in, rehydrate, and dehydrate again 9 days later. You're just giving her an extra 10 days to lose another couple real pounds in the process. Find a weight you think is where the bet should be at, and bet her that she hits that weight by "x" and keeps it off till "y." Even then, the only way I'd EVER bet that is if there were weight checks in between, and if she gains above like 5lbs on the goal weight at any time she loses.
This REEKS of "I'm going to celebrate my birthday and binge so I don't want to have any weight responsibilities after that." Which also sounds like this is just a "diet" for her, and not a lifestyle change that will be permanent. All the more reasons I'd want to make an extended time bet and not a "1 time weigh in" bet.Quote: HotBlonde...If we went with your original plan I would need to weigh in at 164.6 or less on May 13th and then be 164.6 or less on May 23rd, 10 days later. What if we made the bet to where I have to weigh in at 164.6 or less on May 3rd and then again 10 days later on May 13th and then it's done. That way you get your 10 day thing in, I get to enjoy my birthday, and you'll have more of a chance of winning since I'll have to weigh my target weight earlier than before...
Hell, look at the UFC. Brock Lesnar cuts down from 295 to 265 to fight at heavyweight. By the day of the fight he ways closer to 295 than he does 275, FYI. They all do that. They all cut to a weight class they shouldn't rightfully belong to because they get a full day to re-hydrate and recover. This is why there's talks of making them weight in same day before the fights... To try to stop this "weigh in" trick.
Quote: HotBlondeI'm not sure about the text messages but if you're talking about PM's from EvenBob those shouldn't have any weight in your decision.
If people are getting PM's about this,
it ain't from me. Haven't sent a single
one.
Quote: WizardofnothingI'm ok with whatever rules you determine
Here's a thought. Just take whatever money
you might give her and throw it out your
car window the next time you drive. That's
the equivalent of what she'll do with it when
it's hers.
Quote: FleaStifffifteen minutes of shivering in a freezer is equivalent to one hour of exercising..
I don't care if she sits in a freezer eating ex-lax. 125lb weight loss is a challenge however it's achieved. It's all factored into the odds.
Quote: WizardofnothingI think it's only 119 as of this morning
Good, Well done HB if you are making such progress.
Quote: OnceDearGood, Well done HB if you are making such progress.
Quote: WizardofnothingI think it's only 119 as of this morning
118.6 pounds left to lose by my birthday.
Quote: RomesIt is that easy... The hard part isn't losing weight... It's the motivation to actually do it. HB has reasons to do it and is motivated. At that point losing weight really isn't that hard.
I've also cut weight for MMA and grapling competitions. I was already "fit" and in shape and I "lost" 45 lbs in about 6 weeks. Oh, and btw I lost 15 lbs in the last 36 hours before the weight-in... The human body has a ton of water weight.
While HB clearly doesn't want a long bet, this is really the only bet I see. You can't fake it. You can't cut 20lbs of water weight the last day or two. This proves you lost it and are keeping it off, thus a real change and it's not temporary.
***The 10 days doesn't really matter, FYI. She could dehydrate for the final weight in, rehydrate, and dehydrate again 9 days later. You're just giving her an extra 10 days to lose another couple real pounds in the process. Find a weight you think is where the bet should be at, and bet her that she hits that weight by "x" and keeps it off till "y." Even then, the only way I'd EVER bet that is if there were weight checks in between, and if she gains above like 5lbs on the goal weight at any time she loses.This REEKS of "I'm going to celebrate my birthday and binge so I don't want to have any weight responsibilities after that." Which also sounds like this is just a "diet" for her, and not a lifestyle change that will be permanent. All the more reasons I'd want to make an extended time bet and not a "1 time weigh in" bet.Quote: HotBlonde...If we went with your original plan I would need to weigh in at 164.6 or less on May 13th and then be 164.6 or less on May 23rd, 10 days later. What if we made the bet to where I have to weigh in at 164.6 or less on May 3rd and then again 10 days later on May 13th and then it's done. That way you get your 10 day thing in, I get to enjoy my birthday, and you'll have more of a chance of winning since I'll have to weigh my target weight earlier than before...
Hell, look at the UFC. Brock Lesnar cuts down from 295 to 265 to fight at heavyweight. By the day of the fight he ways closer to 295 than he does 275, FYI. They all do that. They all cut to a weight class they shouldn't rightfully belong to because they get a full day to re-hydrate and recover. This is why there's talks of making them weight in same day before the fights... To try to stop this "weigh in" trick.
Romes I respectfully disagree. Weight loss for us obese people is a struggle, just like druggies getting off drugs.
I had motivation 3 times in the last 3 years and haven't been able to do it. 1 was going to jamaica, 1 was getting married and wanting to look good for the day, and also when kids were born I really don't want to be the fat dad. All of that and I am actually 10 pounds heavier today that I was 3 years ago.
I thought about starting a weight loss challenge but not sure if people would take something like 6 to 1. Maybe my 500 or 1k to win 6k would be motivation but I don't know.
I struggle everyday with trying to stop drinking pop and as axel mentioned earlier, eating ice cream. I just can't stop. I have to problem doing 40k steps on my fit but in a hard day but that day will end with a large pepsi and a blizzard from DQ.
Quote: HotBlonde118.6 pounds left to lose by my birthday.
Play some Pokémon GO
Great incentive to walk and walk and walk.
May even skip a meal trying to walk and find some rare elusive pokemon
I am currently trying to hatch a pokemon egg.
I have to walk 10K before the egg hatches :-)
10k's 'almost' always give you something awesome =). But good idea for HB, if she's in to the game at all.Quote: terapined...I have to walk 10K before the egg hatches :-)
Have you tracked your intake in terms of calories? Have you calculate how many calories you need a day to maintain your current weight? To lose one pound a week?
I commend you on wanting to lose weight and keeping it off. IMHO you need to take baby steps. Try for a modest goal of 1/2 to 1 pound a week max. In calories translation that means 250-500 less calories a day. That is equivalent to 2 -4 cans of coke/soft drink/one blizzard. If you were to keep the same eating habit but increase your exercise to burn 250-500 (walking 2-5 miles a day, playing 1-2 hrs of doubles in tennis, etc), you would achieve the same result. Additionally you need to add weights to your routine as building muscle mass will increase your metabolism.
I use an app called My Fitness Pal. It allows me to track my caloric intake once I set a certain goal (1/2 pound loss a week). I know when I am reaching my limit for the day and when I have room to "splurge" a little. I used to drink up to a 6 pk of coke a day and could not shake it off. I started decreasing by one can every month and before you know it, I am no longer drinking coke. In fact I don't even like the taste of it much. The key is little steps/small goals. Anyone who is overweight by say 100 lbs want to lose that immediately. But that is not reality and in fact losing that much weight that quickly is detrimental to your overall health. Have a modest goal, recruit your family to motivate you--not money--, add a exercise regiment that takes building muscles into account, and you will have a strong foundation to get started.
One last advice, google "Body transformation blueprint."
I did not mean to hijack your thread and I do not want to take or place any bets. I wanted to give a shout of encouragement to GWAE because in my mind--as I was reading his posts--he is trying to lose weight for himself, his health, and his family.
Quote: GWAEThe hard part isn't losing weight... It's the motivation to actually do it. HB has reasons to do it and is motivated. At that point losing weight really isn't that hard.
I understand everybody is different but meeting short term goals has always been easy for me. I have quit smoking five or six times already. :)
Just so there are no doubts, I bet $300 at even money with HB on the "no" with no added rules.
BTW, my own weight is down to 160. I haven't been that low since I was hospitalized for four days with food poisoning. My all time high is around 195.
Quote: WizardI'd like to report that HB sent me a video showing her holding the Los Angeles Times dated 7/18/16. She then put down the paper and stood on a scale, wearing a bikini and holding a cell phone. The scale showed a weight of 284.2 pounds.
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Thanks for not posting the video. Really..
Quote: WizardBTW, my own weight is down to 160.
Congrats. This is good news, right?
Quote: HotBlondeCongrats. This is good news, right?
Thanks. It is more my goal to be healthy and active. A side effect was evidently the weight loss.
Also I'm willing to go into a bet with Mission146 but since it is not to be fully resolved until May 2017 I would like to add in a pregnancy clause.
Quote: HotBlondeMy weigh in after 14 days shows a 7.6 pound weight loss.
Also I'm willing to go into a bet with Mission146 but since it is not to be fully resolved until May 2017 I would like to add in a pregnancy clause.
I think the pregnancy clause should only apply if it is an immaculate conception. Just say no to sex and jelly doughnuts.
Quote: WizardofnothingI do not feel it is appropriate to solicit more bets at this point given you have already lost some weight-
I don't see where it is inappropriate. If someone wants to make a reasonable bet with me I'm not going to turn it down. What you're saying doesn't make sense.
Quote: WizardofnothingI put that bet in based on the amount that you had wagered- if you had 50k I would not have made the bet- I thought the betting was closed/ not sure how I feel if you are reopening it for more incentive
Reopening it? I don't remember it ever being closed. Even when I lost weight in 2012 the betting was open the entire time, it never closed. I took bets the whole time along the way.
Quote: WizardofnothingI thought the betting was closed/ not sure how I feel if you are reopening it for more incentive
Why do you keep calling it 'betting'.
There's no betting involved when
the outcome is a foregone conclusion.
Would you bet the winner of a nugget
eating contest that he can't do it again?
All you'd be doing is paying him to
repeat it, no betting involved.
I have stayed out, way out, of this thread so far, did so on purpose, there are just too many jokes, they write themselves. Now I have to say, if HB wants to continue to arrange bets all the way thru her/the challenge I cannot imagine a circumstance where that would not be allowable. Bets were made, sure. Now someone wants to bet 1M on the 'no'. Yep, HB would have more incentive now ( approx 1M more now if I did the math right ;-?Quote: HotBlondeReopening it? I don't remember it ever being closed. Even when I lost weight in 2012 the betting was open the entire time, it never closed. I took bets the whole time along the way.
What does that have do with original bets, well unless those original bets were made with duplicitous contingencies?
This is HB bet, challenge. Proceed with extreme caution. Hopefully everyone here would like to see her reach her aspirations. Unless you bet on the dark side you should be cheering for her
Go HB, go HB, go HB!
Quote: AcesAndEightsHB, good luck to you on your current and future weight loss and maintenance goals! I hope you can find a healthy weight and stick there. At this time I have no desire for action as most of my discretionary gambling budget is tied up in pending presidential election bets.
Good luck to HB.
Since you mentioned it, I'm still waiting on action at 2.5 to 1 against The Trumpy. I offered, I got a 2/1 offer back. I did not take, maybe I should have ;-)
It was just a hundy.... Just 2F
Quote: WizardofnothingI do not feel it is appropriate to solicit more bets at this point given you have already lost some weight-
I've been asked to take a stand on this. In my cursory reading of the thread, I never noticed a condition that betting would be closed after your bet. I understand your point. I don't like to do weight loss bets either if the candidate has too much incentive. However, it was incumbent on you to ask for any total amount bet conditions.
So, unless there is some evidence I don't know about, I have to take HB's side on this one.
Cliff notes-
She can keep betting - I don't care
Honestly I wish I didn't bet anything because I'm annoyed with some of the circumstances now.
Quote: Wizardofnothing
Cliff notes-
She can keep betting - I don't care
Honestly I wish I didn't bet anything because I'm annoyed with some of the circumstances now.[/q
Well now. You made a bet, after you made a much larger offer for a bet with contingent offers that went all over the freakin' place.
I understand the Wiz's bet. Perhaps you should redefine or characterize yours just so we all know what it is, and what it isn't. If I were HB I would not recognize any action from you retrospective in this thread. That just from an outsider looking in. I would caution both of you to re-define your bets between each other. Or perhaps we should add another 50 pages to the thread. That after she loses the weight or doesn', within the set parameters of the bet which I'll be darned if I understand at this point.
I would hate for the Forums to get into another 'Strictly AP' situation where we had to debate the terms, or lack thereof, of the original wager.Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
So that's not necessary - however a record of the bests should have been posted as was spoken about vecuase clearly if she booked a 20k bet previously I would not have bet. Either way I don't really care and I don't think that many people are even interested in the thread
Quote: HotBlondeMy weigh in after 14 days shows a 7.6 pound weight loss.
Also I'm willing to go into a bet with Mission146 but since it is not to be fully resolved until May 2017 I would like to add in a pregnancy clause.
I had no idea Mission was trying to get pregnant :)
"$175 even money against HB's goal "...For HB to weigh 164.6 pounds or less on May 13, 2017 NOT including any extra weight from bathing suit/clothing"
and my added condition "If HB falls pregnant or has serious medical issues before the target date, she still has to meet the target or she loses. No back out clause."
I've placed no conditions on how the weight loss is to be achieved except for tissue removal surgery or amputation.
I wish HB well with the venture and am happy for her to take more and/or different wagers even if that incentivises her.
HB. Please confirm acceptance of that bet in this thread, and maybe take the time to list all bets currently in place.
Quote: OnceDearOk. I've just had my wager accepted
"$175 even money against HB's goal "...For HB to weigh 164.6 pounds or less on May 13, 2017 NOT including any extra weight from bathing suit/clothing"
and my added condition "If HB falls pregnant or has serious medical issues before the target date, she still has to meet the target or she loses. No back out clause."
I've placed no conditions on how the weight loss is to be achieved except for tissue removal surgery or amputation.
I wish HB well with the venture and am happy for her to take more and/or different wagers even if that incentivises her.
HB. Please confirm acceptance of that bet in this thread, and maybe take the time to list all bets currently in place.
I sure will. Super tired and going to bed. Will post soon.
