Keno machine malfunction

I recall a thread about someone saying thay could predict which Keno numbers were going to come up.
I think we dismissed it as voodoo.http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/bar-loses-big-after-customers-win-big-at-malfunctioning-keno/article_c17961a2-156a-5b92-b942-dd53b436aa8d.html

This is completely different than what the guy on this forum was saying....or else the guy on here was pretty bad at describing what was happening (and there would have been NO DOUBT what the following numbers were going to be).

Quote: Hunterhill

I recall a thread about someone saying thay could predict which Keno numbers were going to come up.
I think we dismissed it as voodoo.http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/bar-loses-big-after-customers-win-big-at-malfunctioning-keno/article_c17961a2-156a-5b92-b942-dd53b436aa8d.html

Is this the same machines he claims to have been playing? If not, I will still dismiss it as voodoo.

There's rarely any claims that are legitimate when it comes to this stuff. Especially when it's some random guy on the internet who feels the need to post up about it on the forum.

Occasionally there are some legitimate glitches. Eventually it comes out one way or another and then it is documented.
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State officials have investigated and turned findings over to Johnson County Attorney Rick Smith, but they're not saying whether anyone broke the law.

Smith said he is still deciding whether he will prosecute and declined to say what laws might have been violated.

Nebraska Charitable Gaming Division Administrator Aaron Hendry refused to say whether watching keno machines for a pattern or placing a bet after finding a pattern in a malfunctioning machine is illegal.

“It would depend upon the facts. We would have to judge each situation on its own merits,” Hendry said.

From the keno company’s perspective, a player knowingly taking advantage of a glitch is wrong and is potentially committing a crime, Silver said.

“Keno is a game of chance. If you know what numbers are coming up, it’s no longer a game of chance,” Silver said.
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THIS IS A BUNCH OF BS. What machine keno players don't look for patterns and repeating numbers? That's why many people play video keno.

IMO
Everyone who ever lost money on their machines should get their money back since it wasn't random.

Quote: AxelWolf

Is this the same machines he claims to have been playing? If not, I will still dismiss it as voodoo.

There's rarely any claims that are legitimate when it comes to this stuff. Especially when it's some random guy on the internet who feels the need to post up about it on the forum.

Occasionally there are some legitimate glitches. Eventually it comes out one way or another and then it is documented.
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State officials have investigated and turned findings over to Johnson County Attorney Rick Smith, but they're not saying whether anyone broke the law.

Smith said he is still deciding whether he will prosecute and declined to say what laws might have been violated.

Nebraska Charitable Gaming Division Administrator Aaron Hendry refused to say whether watching keno machines for a pattern or placing a bet after finding a pattern in a malfunctioning machine is illegal.

“It would depend upon the facts. We would have to judge each situation on its own merits,” Hendry said.

From the keno company’s perspective, a player knowingly taking advantage of a glitch is wrong and is potentially committing a crime, Silver said.

“Keno is a game of chance. If you know what numbers are coming up, it’s no longer a game of chance,” Silver said.
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THIS IS A BUNCH OF BS. What machine keno players don't look for patterns and repeating numbers? That's why many people play video keno.

IMO
Everyone who ever lost money on their machines should get their money back since it wasn't random.

Yeah, totally agree. Pretty ironic that if they spotted a pattern it was "cheating" or "committing a crime". That one's totally on the programmer/distributor/operator. I too would say that if they force those people to give the money back or charge them with something, they owe everybody who's ever lost money on the game as well.

The guy on the form was playing a Gameking keno. I'm almost certain it was voodoo.

If the RNG isn't fed a seed that changes (i.e.: usually based on computer time), then the numbers will repeat daily, assuming the machines are turned off then back on again every night/morning. So it's not like there's some repetition from game #52 to #53....but that game #52 will always be the same, every single day. Same with game #1 and any other game....they'll always be the same, since the same seed is always used.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Yeah, totally agree. Pretty ironic that if they spotted a pattern it was "cheating" or "committing a crime". That one's totally on the programmer/distributor/operator. I too would say that if they force those people to give the money back or charge them with something, they owe everybody who's ever lost money on the game as well.

Without the players there wouldn't be casinos and gambling. The laws should be made to protect the players first and foremost. The players get screwed enough as it is.

Unless someone actually tampers with a machine it should be to bad so sad. The company should take care of the bar owners affected by this.

Quote: RS

If the RNG isn't fed a seed that changes (i.e.: usually based on computer time), then the numbers will repeat daily, assuming the machines are turned off then back on again every night/morning. So it's not like there's some repetition from game #52 to #53....but that game #52 will always be the same, every single day. Same with game #1 and any other game....they'll always be the same, since the same seed is always used.

Considering the story at this bar...I'm guessing that's what happened here too. No way something like that is left on 24 hours a day.

Glitches happen in Video Keno as is does in other computerized games, but it happened a lot more in the older days (1980s). I wrote a blog a couple of weeks ago about meeting Frank Gorshin (the Riddler in the TV Batman series) at a bank of video keno machines in the old Vegas World (today’s Stratosphere). He tipped me off on the “bottom row” glitch and I began playing the bottom row regularly. For the next two years, I made hundreds and hundreds of dollars playing only the bottom row on the old red, upright, two-monitor quarter keno machines. I was not alone. Bottom rowers got to know other bottom rowers and a loosely-knit association or “club” formed. There was no Internet, so we met for coffee or drinks and talked about the frequency of hits on these machines at other casinos. Almost all casinos had them, from the Sahara (a favorite) to MGM, but one of the best was the old Silver Slipper, which had rows and rows of them. I came into it late, during the last two years, but The Bottom Row Club for video keno has been written about in books and on the Internet. Ten years ago a Google on it fetched several hits, but today it is only one or two. When I played it, I did not win every time, but in the end, I won a pile of money. The machines were re-coded or fixed, because suddenly it stopped and nobody could hit on the bottom row any better than anything else. It was a coding glitch and when something like that is noticed by a player, then they are foolish if they don’t play it.

Quote: vegasliving

Glitches happen in Video Keno as is does in other computerized games, but it happened a lot more in the older days (1980s). I wrote a blog a couple of weeks ago about meeting Frank Gorshin (the Riddler in the TV Batman series) at a bank of video keno machines in the old Vegas World (today’s Stratosphere). He tipped me off on the “bottom row” glitch and I began playing the bottom row regularly. For the next two years, I made hundreds and hundreds of dollars playing only the bottom row on the old red, upright, two-monitor quarter keno machines. I was not alone. Bottom rowers got to know other bottom rowers and a loosely-knit association or “club” formed. There was no Internet, so we met for coffee or drinks and talked about the frequency of hits on these machines at other casinos. Almost all casinos had them, from the Sahara (a favorite) to MGM, but one of the best was the old Silver Slipper, which had rows and rows of them. I came into it late, during the last two years, but The Bottom Row Club for video keno has been written about in books and on the Internet. Ten years ago a Google on it fetched several hits, but today it is only one or two. When I played it, I did not win every time, but in the end, I won a pile of money. The machines were re-coded or fixed, because suddenly it stopped and nobody could hit on the bottom row any better than anything else. It was a coding glitch and when something like that is noticed by a player, then they are foolish if they don’t play it.

"I made hundreds and hundreds of dollars playing" Sorry to hear that. It would seem that a legitimate glitch would make many many thousands and thousands even hundreds of thousands if it lasted 2 years at multiple locations .


Interesting story, I have kinda heard about some theory like this but never got any real confirmation it wasn't just wishful thinking, but I have heard of legitimate other keno glitches.

This particular event was probably before my time or just as I started.

Sometimes people think there's something happening when in reality it isn't. I know quite a few very sharp old time AP's who have spent a significant amount of time looking for this sort thing. Something that easy probably would get figured out by others and have more legs to stand on .

Hundreds and hundreds after 2 years is enough to make me wonder if this wasn't a common myth but something where enough people had positive variance that they assumed it was legitimate.

Can you elaborate more? What company made the games? What exactly was happening, how many spots did you play, was there anything ever confirmed by anyone reputable or by the manufacturers, griffin, casinos or news agencies? Convince us please I would love to know this was actually a legitimate glitch. And perhaps it was.Not all but most glitches eventually get verified especially if it's as prevalent as you are suggesting. One or two machines probably won't get reported publicly.

Did you search as many locations and machines as possible after you realized it was fixed to see if they missed something? perhaps only making hundreds and hundreds after 2 years wouldn't warrant a full on tactical search and investment.

BTW Vegas World was the first casino I played real poker at, it was 7 card stud. I lived in the Naked city behind Vegas World. Somewhere I have the coolest $25 vegas word token with a spaceman, rocket, moon and stars. It's probably the coolest casino token I have ever seen. I want more.

Added edit: 6 spots you can probably run good on and hit frequently (7,752.84 tries to be exact). every 2 or 3 sessions depending on the average length of play. What you described(I didn't win every day) seem in line with that. However @ -9% it would seem unlikely after 2 years of playing you could actually be ahead anything playing 6 spots without some kind of glitch.

You mentioned 7% hold, that's actually low, for Video keno about 9% seems standard.

'bottom row being favored' sounds exactly like the imaginary glitch that seems like a pattern but isn't - I don't know much about programming but it doesn't sound like the kind of glitch that might really happen.

so we just told this poster that we are dismissing something near and dear to him ... that always makes a guy angry as hell! We'll have to see how he reacts

I believe he is referring to the old IGT Lightpen keno machines. It wouldn't surprise me if they were set at 7% many years ago. 25 years ago almost all video poker was 9/6 JOB so 7% would have seemed huge.