tomchina123
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December 11th, 2015 at 8:26:43 PM permalink
who would help me in baccata simulation data?

i want it because i want to test the counting method in dragon 7 bet.

there are 2 counting ways in internet:
inventor: Eliot: 1234567890=000-1-1-1-1220
while Stepen: 1=1, others are the same.

i tested by wizard's 1000 shoes*8 decks and 1000 shoes*6 decks. all cut into 58 hands to fit into macao rule.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/basics/#toc-Rules
the result are good.

i tested some other ways:
like 0=-1, outcome is much better in 8 decks, but much worse in 6 decks.
notes:
i put 0=-1, because when i sum up the makeup cards of all dragon 7 in the 1000 shoes, found the result like this:
card times
1 343
2 460
3 472
4 606
5 623
6 563
7 722
8 230
9 215
10 1331

then i want to do more tests to check if 0=-1 is ok: yesterday, i found another 10,000 shoes, here: http://www.pulcinientertainment.com/info/10kshoes-8d-13p.txt

i found no counting way is good, even Eliot and Stephen's way, then i doubt if the data of the link is right.

finally, here is my help needed again:
who would help me in baccata simulation data? the offically good one.

i would share the result here if some one sends me links here.
if he can email me the data by 137139656@163.com, i can share by email the result.
tomchina123
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December 13th, 2015 at 5:13:05 AM permalink
hi, Wizard,

are u there?

can u help on this?

this link is really good from u.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt

when i searched google. i found many others like your data and they all refer to u. you are just the most famous in the world. some others are charging for real casino data, but i think your simulation should be better than the real data, because real data can be recorded wrongly by humans.

if you can do more 1000--5000 shoes on your site, you will get more admirations.

sincerely,

Tom.
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December 13th, 2015 at 7:00:05 AM permalink
I have 250,000 shoes at https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/basics/#toc-Simulations.
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tomchina123
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December 13th, 2015 at 7:44:06 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I have 250,000 shoes at https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/basics/#toc-Simulations.



hi£¬wizards, thanks for your time. you must be very busy, right? but you take time to answer it, you are really a kind person. by the way, i saw u in BBC and NG several times, really great.

for the data, this 25000 shoes is not with card data. only 1000 shoes is for 8 decks.
so?

also can it be with T J Q K if you take the hard work to make new ones? then i can test DR. Elot's ways to count pair.

thanks again for your time and answer.
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December 13th, 2015 at 9:23:54 AM permalink
I can probably do this, but I need to know what format each show is supposed to be in.
Do you just want a string of letters (e.g. 286QK2A47338J2T239TA)?

Keep in mind that a million 6-deck shoes is over 300MB when listed card-by-card.
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December 13th, 2015 at 10:04:55 AM permalink
Quote: tomchina123

also can it be with T J Q K if you take the hard work to make new ones? then i can test DR. Elot's ways to count pair.

What do you mean, "test?" It's already tested. It works. Players are beating the Pairs bet worldwide. It may be the single biggest ongoing vulnerability on the planet (given the size of the Pairs wagers that Asian casinos permit). Casinos know the players are beating the Pairs bet and take safeguards. So what, exactly, do you want to test? And what does only 250k shoes have to do with testing anything?

Here are the results from the targets and weights method (20M shoes per row):



Here are the results from perfect play, cut card at 14 (100M shoes):

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December 13th, 2015 at 11:27:31 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

What do you mean, "test?" It's already tested. It works. Players are beating the Pairs bet worldwide. It may be the single biggest ongoing vulnerability on the planet (given the size of the Pairs wagers that Asian casinos permit). Casinos know the players are beating the Pairs bet and take safeguards. So what, exactly, do you want to test? And what does only 250k shoes have to do with testing anything?



In Las Vegas, Mlife casinos (Mirage, Luxor, MGM, etc.) have nothing but Pairs side bets. What safeguards are they taking?
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December 13th, 2015 at 12:19:12 PM permalink
Quote: UCivan

In Las Vegas, Mlife casinos (Mirage, Luxor, MGM, etc.) have nothing but Pairs side bets. What safeguards are they taking?

No.
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December 13th, 2015 at 2:58:43 PM permalink
Quote: tomchina123

hi£¬wizards, thanks for your time. you must be very busy, right? but you take time to answer it, you are really a kind person. by the way, i saw u in BBC and NG several times, really great.

for the data, this 25000 shoes is not with card data. only 1000 shoes is for 8 decks.
so?

also can it be with T J Q K if you take the hard work to make new ones? then i can test DR. Elot's ways to count pair.

thanks again for your time and answer.



You're welcome. Thank you for the kind words. I don't have time to answer everybody; I guess you just got lucky. Yes, it is with a cut card, according to standard baccarat rules. Yes, eight decks.

If you want custom-made simulations, then I think you should pay me. However, maybe somebody with a kinder person than me here on the forum will do it for free.
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December 13th, 2015 at 7:50:08 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

I can probably do this, but I need to know what format each show is supposed to be in.
Do you just want a string of letters (e.g. 286QK2A47338J2T239TA)?

Keep in mind that a million 6-deck shoes is over 300MB when listed card-by-card.


thanks, Don,

you are my hope now.

i want it to be like this:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt

i really want 8 decks, because when i tested dragon 7 by wizard's 6 and 8 decks, the result is so different.
so 8 decks.
yes, best T j Q k is in it. if all in to 0, not so good.
300MB is ok for me.
or maybe 10,000 shoes are also enough.

thanks again. i will always mention your name: Don, in the future when i post sth here on this topic.
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December 13th, 2015 at 7:58:01 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

What do you mean, "test?" It's already tested. It works. Players are beating the Pairs bet worldwide. It may be the single biggest ongoing vulnerability on the planet (given the size of the Pairs wagers that Asian casinos permit). Casinos know the players are beating the Pairs bet and take safeguards. So what, exactly, do you want to test? And what does only 250k shoes have to do with testing anything?

Here are the results from the targets and weights method (20M shoes per row):



Here are the results from perfect play, cut card at 14 (100M shoes):




thanks for info.

if i can answer it. to develop a method is millions of shoes needed. but to test it, some thousands of shoes is enough,i think.
like dragaon 7, panda, pairs or so.
if it is proved by milliions of shoes, it should work by thousands of shoes.no?
i am not doubting the tests result by expert like Eliot. but i am not a person good at persisting, if i test it by myself to show it really works, i can take bigger patience to wait for that few betting frequencies.

no?
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December 13th, 2015 at 8:00:08 PM permalink
Quote: UCivan

Quote: teliot

What do you mean, "test?" It's already tested. It works. Players are beating the Pairs bet worldwide. It may be the single biggest ongoing vulnerability on the planet (given the size of the Pairs wagers that Asian casinos permit). Casinos know the players are beating the Pairs bet and take safeguards. So what, exactly, do you want to test? And what does only 250k shoes have to do with testing anything?



In Las Vegas, Mlife casinos (Mirage, Luxor, MGM, etc.) have nothing but Pairs side bets. What safeguards are they taking?



Dr Eliot knows about it.

The following are my suggestions for safeguarding the Pairs bet from advantage play:

Increase the cut-card depth to at least 26 cards.
Do not expose the initial burn cards.
Watch for players who make PB wagers late in the shoe, who bet on both sides, and who make table maximum wagers.
Watch for players who keep score in an unusual manner.
Watch for player who may be using devices in stadium baccarat.
Watch for ¡°play-by-phone¡± players who make large PB wagers.

here is the link:
http://apheat.net/2014/04/06/computer-perfect-play-against-the-baccarat-pairs-bet/
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December 13th, 2015 at 8:08:30 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

You're welcome. Thank you for the kind words. I don't have time to answer everybody; I guess you just got lucky. Yes, it is with a cut card, according to standard baccarat rules. Yes, eight decks.

If you want custom-made simulations, then I think you should pay me. However, maybe somebody with a kinder person than me here on the forum will do it for free.



i should have paid u by learning things from your site. also Eliot. i won 2 dragons by last visit. maybe i will do it in the future.
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