War (the card game)
You can play games with a negative expectation and still be an advantage player, as long as you play more on good things then you do bad things.
Drug lords can sample their drugs and still make plenty of money.
Quote: AxelWolfThat's simply not true, I have found advantages on just about everything including keno, let it ride, the big 6, craps, roulette, horses, sports, rigged online casinos, slots,bingo,prop bets, war, pigaow etc.
I want to hear some of these stories! Particularly roulette and pai gow. Also LIR and war (especially war) if you were doing anything other than hole-carding.
Quote: IbeatyouracesHole carding war, hahaha.
At least the strategy is easy to remember.
Edit: I should have said next-carding, not hole-carding.
1. How did Axel beat casino war?
2. How did Axel beat pai gow?
3. How did Axel beat roulette?
4. IBYA once commented (in a different thread) that one of his biggest BJ wins ever was against a CSM. How?
Quote: IbeatyouracesI knew what you meant. I just thought it was funny :-)
The tie bet is susceptible though.
Ok, I have to admit, I don't actually know the full rules for war, so I don't know how the tie bet works. I'm looking it up on WoO now.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI can't answer that, but I wasn't working alone. And I don't mean collusion or any form of cheating.
Fair enough.
There is only one thing that I can think of, but if it was that I'd think you would just say what it was (it's not exactly a secret tactic -- Eliot has posted about it on his site) so I will have to keep thinking.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThe tie bet is susceptible though.
Read the rules, still confused. How is the tie bet susceptible. Do they let you make the bet after you have your card, before the dealer has flipped over his? (it's dealt from a CSM, right?)
Quote: IbeatyouracesIt's countable, no secret. Although I don't think it's worth much. It's mentioned in CAA.
Oh. I thought it was CSM based. Yeah, obviously countable if dealt from a shoe (although the count would be a pain).
I don't have CAA. It's really hard to track down! I have the original.
Quote: AxelWolfDrug lords can sample their drugs and still make plenty of money.
Yeah, but it's not good business practice :).
A few Roulette plays I found resonantly so I wont talk about them since they could still be viable and come up again. A few guys here do know about them.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI want to hear some of these stories! Particularly roulette and pai gow. Also LIR and war (especially war) if you were doing anything other than hole-carding.
One play has been well published and was on an online casino. Casino on Net around 2001 to 2003, had a James Bond 007 promotion where they doubled 7 and 00 on roulette for a while (2 or 3 hrs).
We were unsure payment would even be made and they would honor the winnings or give back the deposits, and I had not had much experience at that casino yet.
We didn't make as much as others on this promotion as we were unsure of the rules and how it worked, we had only 1 day to prepare. Also casinos online could simply just not pay you and even keep your initial deposit, or just gaff the roulette. The main problem was(we didn't realize this) you didn't get the bonuses when you hit 007 or 00 until the next day. So your bankroll got depleted and you couldn't ramp up your bet as you were crushing the game in banked bonus money.
The bonuses had to be wagered one time through the casino before you could cash out. wagering was kind of fun at first since I was fairly sure we would be getting the money. Then it just became a grind.
Other online casinos should have taken notice about not F-ing players that promotion created lot of good will and buzz, They are fairly successful even after losing a few Million that day.Then again they probably had a good business model in the first place.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceOk, so, here is a list of things I want to know (I expect answers to none of these, although PMs will, of course, be kept confidential. Hints would be appreciated if you don't want to give the whole thing away).
1. How did Axel beat casino war?
2. How did Axel beat pai gow?
3. How did Axel beat roulette?
4. IBYA once commented (in a different thread) that one of his biggest BJ wins ever was against a CSM. How?
War would be pretty susceptible to ES, right?
Quote: wudgedWar would be pretty susceptible to ES, right?
early surrender?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceearly surrender?
Haha can you imagine asking to surrender while playing war? DRich is right though, I meant edge sorting.
Player: "I surrender."Quote: wudgedHaha can you imagine asking to surrender while playing war?
Casino dealer: "No sir, your surrender is not accepted. This is real war, and death to the last wager is how it is." :)
Quote: wudgedHaha can you imagine asking to surrender while playing war? DRich is right though, I meant edge sorting.
Seems reasonable. I have a 2. This is war. I surrender.
Edge sorting... I thought you didn't touch the cards in war?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceSeems reasonable. I have a 2. This is war. I surrender.
Edge sorting... I thought you didn't touch the cards in war?
Ivey didn't touch them either in baccarat or punto-banco or whatever he was playing.
I remember the first place I seen casino war it was in Circus Circus they didn't seem to have a brush. first base was a nice seat but a bit cramped.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceSeems reasonable. I have a 2. This is war. I surrender.
Edge sorting... I thought you didn't touch the cards in war?
I was very fascinated by this game because it brought back childhood memories. It was the 4th game I learned after memory match, go fish, Slap Jack. I thought I was a master at war when I was a young kid. As I got older, I realized skill had nothing to do with it, just luck(other then some extras). My question is, how come some people never grow up?
Imagine? Why bother? Just watch players at a Casino War table and you'll see them surrender all the time.Quote: wudgedHaha can you imagine asking to surrender while playing war?
Not a smart decision as it results in a slightly higher house edge.
Quote: DJTeddyBearImagine? Why bother? Just watch players at a Casino War table and you'll see them surrender all the time.
Not a smart decision as it results in a slightly higher house edge.
I didn't even consider surrender on a tie. For some reason I was imagining it along the lines of black jack, where the dealer card would be face down and you would have the option to either surrender or "show down" against the dealer.
I've only played the game once and that was with $5 that I parlayed into $20.
Quote: wudgedIvey didn't touch them either in baccarat or punto-banco or whatever he was playing.
Really? In baccarat you can usually squeeze the cards, except for the very lowest-limit games.
Quote: AxelWolfI remember the first place I seen casino war it was in Circus Circus they didn't seem to have a brush. first base was a nice seat but a bit cramped.
I was very fascinated by this game because it brought back childhood memories. It was the 4th game I learned after memory match, go fish, Slap Jack. I thought I was a master at war when I was a young kid. As I got older, I realized skill had nothing to do with it, just luck(other then some extras). My question is, how come some people never grow up?
Yeah, so what was this opportunity that you saw in war?
Come on, you have to give one play up. PM me; I promise I won't tell anyone :)
Quote: IbeatyouracesYes, and those cards are discarded and never used again.
Hmm, good point.
Did a casino really fall for that trick where you tell the dealer how to flip the cards over? I thought that that was old news.
SentQuote: AxiomOfChoiceYeah, so what was this opportunity that you saw in war?
Come on, you have to give one play up. PM me; I promise I won't tell anyone :)
Quote: IbeatyouracesTheir breakfast buffet was pretty damn good.
Did they get cheap on the blue and yella?
