Your ideas - We need new gambling stuff....

I am tired of hearing of the fantasy of the riches to come - from counting. That's just old sh]t at this point.

I fight it at every turn - just to get grown gambling men off this fantasy breast, the tit that produces no milk anymore. Gotta call the losing plan as it really is. MIT kids killed it ten years ago, and you/we cannot realistically compare to them.

So guys, can we learn some tricks?:

1. The NEW AP areas - Best play on UTH? New approaches to UTH?
2. Best Pai Gow Poker strategy - and why?
3. New games designs - what do you guys have to show?
4. Interesting prop bets that you guys have made recently - and the bet's conditions?
5. Experiences in dealer school versus the first week on the job?
6. How to resurrect Horse racing - any ideas to create new bets for that - there are People at Santa Anita who WOULD be interested!
7. - Form a legal prop bet bookie service - Mike would be perfect for this. - Form an LLC with a business plan? - who wants to write one?
8. Do you create your own sports bets pool - how to do?

And the like...think of something new...

We need some new ideas - aside from "I'm gonna get RICH by counting - what a new idea! who's gonna know or back me off in the casino? It's FOOLPROOF, I tell you!"

You show something new.

No "Mid-Shoe" Entries in Craps akin to Higher Limit Rules in Blackjack.

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No "Mid-Shoe" Entries in Craps akin to Higher Limit Rules in Blackjack.

..... what difference ....?

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..... what difference ....?

Just a lot of Craps players' preference.....

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I fight it at every turn - just to get grown gambling men off this fantasy breast, the tit that produces no milk anymore.

Speaking of tits, have you noticed how the only ones consistently making any money at a casino are the ones with the tits?
The men may show up thinking about their card counting skills but its the half naked broads who wind up with the money.
Even on the casino ship awhile ago where flats would make sense, I saw all these lovely young ladies in shoes costing $1,400.00 and up. And those gowns, skimpy as they are, cost $3,000.00 or so. If these rather young Ladies of the Evening are out and about bedecked in $4,500.00 in clothing just for an evening's gambling voyage, it doesn't matter what dream the Advantage Players have for the reality is that the money is all going to the women, not the APs.

That is good, as NO game has the juice that craps really has...you have any new game ideas for craps?......present them here.........

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Just a lot of Craps players' preference.....

That is good, as NO game has the juice that craps really has...you have any new game ideas for craps?......present them here.........

The only "new" stuff about craps is that some places are providing chairs and some places are dampening the vocal enthusiasm particularly of certain ethnic groups or drunks. There seems to be some monkeying with the layout regarding hops and center bets but the real change seems to be in the group dynamics.

Some pit bosses shed tears when craps tables were removed to make way for Blackjack tables after Beat The Dealer was published and some pundits have said we need another world war to educate the younger generation about craps but in reality the problem seems to be that the gambling population is aging. Older men switch to slot machines, younger men have grown up with computers all their lives and automatically gravitate to slot machines rather than physical dice.

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That is good, as NO game has the juice that craps really has...you have any new game ideas for craps?......present them here.........

Here is my idea, Dan, for which I am herewith declaring a common copyright... ;-)

Give the players at the table a 'Team bet' opportunity before each initial come-out roll. You throw down your team bet (always the table min. only.... unless the team votes by majority of participants to bet a higher amount) in a marked location at a spot similar to the Fire bet spot in front of each player. If the player then makes his point, the 'team' collects a one-for-one return and it all goes in the Team Pot. Craps rolled on the come-out does not remove the bet. When the shooter finally sevens out, all participants on the 'team' in this bet collect the pot, split equally. You have to ante for each and every point for the particular shooter you wish to bet upon. This bet would give folks the chance to ride a shooter they like the look of.

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So guys, can we learn some tricks?:
1. The NEW AP areas - Best play on UTH? New approaches to UTH?

For one. Hole-carding is one of the major approaches to UTH. The edge gained is small, but it's very reliable and sooner will Mars will send a manned (sic) mission to Earth than you get caught.

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2. Best Pai Gow Poker strategy - and why?

Don't touch the thing. No advantage, huge house edge, about 6% ignoring draws, low comps, too boring for a casual break.

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4. Interesting prop bets that you guys have made recently - and the bet's conditions?

Some time ago I've made a bet to show zero living expenses for a period of a month - that is to get everything comped while maintaining EV>=0 on all games I play. I'm free to pick beginning and end points after the fact, though, as long as 28 uninterrupted days pass, and there's time left, so advice would be welcome.

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6. How to resurrect Horse racing -

Hmm. Race resurrected horses? Nah, fantasy. Augmented horse races? Nah, still sci-fi. Tourney "horses"? Nah, boring.
I think it would be a good idea to try and push forward a betting-funded full contact motor racing series.

...the hell? Dan, this is getting bizarre...

dan i have been working on a bonus bet in pai gow tiles, im almost there if you have any interest in talking

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For one. Hole-carding is one of the major approaches to UTH. The edge gained is small, but it's very reliable and sooner will Mars will send a manned (sic) mission to Earth than you get caught.

Yes, beating UTH is easy for the alert player. Unlike OCP, many casinos have not yet caught on to this game's hole-card issues. Based on what you said, I assume the most common hole-card information is to see one of the three flop cards. An edge of 3.62%. That seems like a high variance opportunity, more than OCP. Maybe you're a dreamer and occasionally get much better info. Care to share?

I gave up on horse players years ago. Love the game, hate track management, medications, short fields, the high rake, etc.
Back in 60's and 70's everybody cried about the take being unfair at 14%. Now those same guys love the exotic bets with a HE of 23-30%. MORONS.

Dan, I must skip the posts that are bugging you, that go on excessively about counting. If that is what it is, you might try it... 'avoidance'!

for my own obsession at the moment, it's bankroll, but that will be a blog post, coming soon.

I think the best AP play for UTH is taking advantage of other players. If someone doesn't want to go 4X with their AK, offer to go 1/2 with them. I often do this when playing with my mom. :)

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I will also admit to having been my own worst enemy in game development. Too much looking at it from a inside view. Hate the term ploppie, but well, anybody got a better one ?
Decided my best bet is to try and come up with a BJ game for ploppies. One where Basic strategy will have a very small effect on whether you win or lose.

Also a game combining BJ and Poker. That one you really need a knowledge of both. Aimed definitely at the non-ploppie player as
strategy among the players is a paramount key to winning.

The ploppie game I can test market with the locals here in Grand Junction. The BJ/Poker I can fire for effect on the forum after I get a PPA.
Have a poker expert in the UK who says he will look at my game once I get it down in format. Hopefully he will not SWITCH his mind. Might even try and trade my latest CHIP TRICKS for another experts opinion. LOL Yeah, like anybody can teach Stephen a chip trick!.

And then who knows? A certain benevolent dictator owes me a 15 minute phone call evaluation. A nice young lady in Biloxi Mississippi said she'd look at any game I had if I was on a lucky STREAK.

Or I could even promise a dealer who is soon to retire that I would never count ( cheat) again, if he would look at my game.

OOOPs I confused counting with cheating? Must be a side effect of all the f***ing pills I have to take now.

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The days of walking into a casino with a better than even chance of winning are gone, unless you are a gifted, bankrolled poker player or a dialed-in sports bettor like Billy Walters.

Otherwise, casino gambling is for recreational purposes only, i.e. an opportunity to scratch your greed bone while simultaneously surrendering to one's masochistic tendencies.

I mean, what kind of IDIOT plays games where the house has the edge?

*raises hand*

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HC = aprox 15%, HC+FC = aprox 20%.

I had the HC+FC number from The Book, I did not know the HC only value. Many thanks.

My question is, what is the most common hole-card opportunity for UTH? I always assumed it was HC or HC+FC.

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Obviously its dealer dependant. I would say the most prevelant of the choices is just HC. Either way, these situations are rare.

I have to say, Mike has created a most unique website. That I could ask this question and you would answer it. Amazing. Many thanks, of course!

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So guys, can we learn some tricks?:

6. How to resurrect Horse racing - any ideas to create new bets for that - there are People at Santa Anita who WOULD be interested!

Horse racing doesn't need to be resurrected. There's enough racing around for two separate live cable TV channels.

The only problem I am aware of at the moment (well, except for next year's "no Lasix at the Breeder's Cup") is the supposed one concerning Polytrack in California.

You want to "fix" Santa Anita? Here's an idea - close Hollywood Park or Del Mar. Does southern California really need three tracks (four, if you include Los Alamitos)? I didn't see the horse racing world come to an end when Bay Meadows was torn down (and I mean "torn down" - I remember pictures of somebody driving home with a 16th pole in the back of his pickup truck). Nobody minds that there hasn't been racing at SOL in, what, three years? (I think the only reason it's still there is some combination of (a) it may be needed to keep the simulcast betting there, and (b) the 9-hole golf course in the middle of it. My guess is more (b) than (a).)

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8. Do you create your own sports bets pool - how to do?

The only idea I had for a "new" sports pool was yet still even another NCAA men's basketball tournament pool, but with a slight twist:
picking the champion - 32
picking a semi-final winner - 16 each
picking a regional final winner - 8 each
picking a regional semi-final (Sweet 16 round) winner - 4 each
picking a round of 32 ("third round") winner - 2 each
picking a round of 64 ("second round") winner - 1 each
Here's the thing; that's only 192 points, so to make it an even 200, you can also pick teams for the women's tournament, but to make it easy on everybody, you pick by region; you get 4 points for correctly picking the region of the champion, and 2 points for each semi-final winner's region you pick.

Actually the edge is under 13% and that is with perfect strategy,using a more feasible strategy lowers the edge closer to 12%.Now add in a few mistakes, combined with how slow this game is and the high variance. This game is not that attractive.

Quote: Hunterhill

Actually the edge is under 13% and that is with perfect strategy,using a more feasible strategy lowers the edge closer to 12%.Now add in a few mistakes, combined with how slow this game is and the high variance. This game is not that attractive.

You are talking about UTH, HC only, right?

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The only idea I had for a "new" sports pool was yet still even another NCAA men's basketball tournament pool, but with a slight twist:
picking the champion - 32
picking a semi-final winner - 16 each
picking a regional final winner - 8 each
picking a regional semi-final (Sweet 16 round) winner - 4 each
picking a round of 32 ("third round") winner - 2 each
picking a round of 64 ("second round") winner - 1 each
Here's the thing; that's only 192 points

Add these...
Total Points Final = 4 (not to exceed... if both over or both under, the closer total wins. Ties split the points)
Margin of Victory = 4 (ties split the points)

EDIT Your idea + my last 8 points were exactly how our office pools were run 1993 - 1998.

Separately... how about wagering on "Shut the Box"? I presume this would be video. Theres room for "Win with Doubles" bonus, and side-bets on # of doubles thrown in a game.

Always roll 2 dice and close 2 boxes maximum.
Final Score based upon SUM of remaining open box(es) if any.
9 Points or More LOSE
8 or 7 Points Push
6-5-4 Points 1:1
3 Points 2:1
2 or 1 Points 3:1
Zero Points 5:1
Zero Points by Doubles 10:1

EDIT: I sourced this based upon Durango Bill's analysis.
Note, though reasonably accurate, the payouts listed will have a slightly different House Edge than just plugging in the numbers. The cited on-line site(s) have a partial payout for higher totals... this might cause the "Optimal Strategy" to be different. Thus these figuresabove are a guide with Bill's analysis showing an approximate 3.06% HE

Yes that is correct.

AP, AP... I don't know why you can't just wander around a casino and get drunk while randomly encountering a variety of games some of which you are vaguely familiar with. Don't you know the casino has a light bill it has to pay.