My Roulette Dealer just called his Shot today...

Today I ran through my planned investment at the Roulette table. I had two spare red chips in my pocket, so placed them together on red. My dealer, with a smile, asked if I was sure that I did not want to put one of the chips on the 5 straight up. I had been betting it
consistently during the prior 15 minutes to no avail. Essentially, he told me to bet the 5. Which I then did. Which it then hit.

Anyone ever had your Roulette Dealer call his shot?

Yup. And they also don't hit the number they call an
untold number of times in between when they get
it right. But nobody remembers those.

Why this is obvious Today is July 5 !

Quote: EvenBob

Yup. And they also don't hit the number they call an
untold number of times in between when they get
it right. But nobody remembers those.

Bob, this fella is very experienced, friendly, but without ego. He never calls anything, in my experience.

Quote: midwestgb

Today I ran through my planned investment at the Roulette table. I had two spare red chips in my pocket, so placed them together on red. My dealer, with a smile, asked if I was sure that I did not want to put one of the chips on the 5 straight up. I had been betting it
consistently during the prior 15 minutes to no avail. Essentially, he told me to bet the 5. Which I then did. Which it then hit.

Anyone ever had your Roulette Dealer call his shot?

I have had something very similar happen, though not with that kind of specificity.

I was sitting at a Roulette Table plugging away with $5.00 on Red and $2.00 painting each of the corners around Black-29. I would occasionally switch my low bet from Red to Even or 19-36 for no reason in particular, just because I felt like doing it. In any event, I had brought in $100 to play with and I was exactly $92 ahead. The reason that I know exactly how far ahead I was is because it ALL went in on the next spin.

I had my usual bet going, and I think I was playing Even, when the ball stopped in Green-0.

I said, "Clear the board, bye-bye $13. Crap! I think I was a little over $100 ahead. That's when I am supposed to walk, I doubled, now what am I supposed to do?"

The dealer said, "I'm going to tell you something, and I swear on my Mother's grave this is the truth, but you can't hold it against me if I am wrong."

I was already skeptical, "Okay...Go ahead."

He became slightly excited, "I appreciate your play tonight," I was probably $125 ahead if you include tokes, "and I haven't told many people this, but in five years of spinning this wheel, I have never dropped the ball into anything except a red slot after a Single-Zero."

"How many single-zeros have you spun?"

"I don't know, but like I said, I've been at this for five years."

I looked him dead in the eye. I tried to gauge his level of honesty, but I was the only player at the table and he had no reason to want me gone that I could discern. He probably knew he'd be in for a huge tip if I were to shove it all on red and be successful, but he probably imagined that I wouldn't be tipping him more than the $20.00 (or so) that I had already tipped him.

"S***," I said, "What to do...what to do?"

"You can ignore what I said," he replied, "You could go with it, though. If you go with it, it's not like you have to bet it all."

"I've been here for nearly two hours, I'm not going to bet half and have to start over again one way or another."

I gathered up all of my chips in a single stack, Whites on top. I played with it. I took off the top five chips and did the Fan/Scoop a couple of times. I replaced the top five chips and made as straight a stack as possible. I then slowly pushed it onto Black.

"What!?"

"The streak ends here, my friend," I said.

The ball spun for half of eternity. The dealer kept giving me nervous glances the whole way, there may even have been a bead or two of sweat on his forehead, or maybe that was just in the movie version of things that sometimes plays in one's mind....After what seemed like three or four more bounces than usual, the ball finally dropped and settled...

Black-17.

The dealer matched my stack with his mouth agape, then he asked, "Is that how you wanted it?"

"Doesn't matter," I said, "I loved your story, and it's a shame that you will no longer be able to tell it. (Tossing $25 on the table) Maybe that will make you feel better, though. For the dealer."

It may have been luck, it may have been something else.

If the wheel has a dominant ball drop, then it IS possible for the dealer to shoot sections. The dealer can NOT hit specific numbers, but can influence the ball enough to increase the probability of a number hitting.

Here's how it breaks down.

Assume the rotor is at three seconds per rotation.
When the dealer spins the ball, he spins one of the following possible distances.

18 revs.
17 revs.
16 revs.

In this example, the wheel has a dominant ball drop in the form of a vertical deflector. Given the speed of the first rev of the ball, the only difference between the four spins is roughly .35 to .4 seconds of ball travel time - between each possible rotation of the ball.

Meaning, the ball will only travel about 5 or 6 pockets farther for each additional rev.

Looking at the possible outcomes:

If the number "0" is below the ball when the ball strikes the vertical deflector after 18 revs then...
If the ball makes 17 revs, then the ball will be above about the number "11" (About five pocket further.)
If the ball makes 16 revs, then the ball will be above about the number "22" (distance between the revs begins stretching, since the speed of the first ball rev is slower. About 11 pockets further.)



Looking at even shorter spins:

If the ball makes 15 revs then the ball will be above about the number "1" (About 18 pockets further)
If the ball makes 14 revs then the ball will be above about the number "31" (About 27 pockets further)
If the ball makes 13 revs, then the ball is getting close to wrapping back around to the number "0"

If you were to graph the possible outcomes, then you'd clearly see that, under the right conditions, the dealer can have a huge influence over the wheel. If the dealer is accurate to within just three revs, then he can position a section of the wheel, roughly 11 pockets wide, under the ball. If the dealer drifts, the possible outcomes still favor a sectioning type of effect.

Of course, you must take into account the ball scatter, etc. Depending on the wheel model, it can be quite predictable, especially when a dominant deflector is present. ( I have no intention of posting coefficient of restitution testing here. Ball bounce scatter...)

If you were to ask a dealer whether or not they can shoot sections, you would likely get some wild answers. Unless a dealer has experience dealing on a wheel with a dominant ball drop, and a specific model of wheel, then they will likely have no idea whether they can do it or not. It's not that the dealer has super human skills, it's really the wheel configuraton that makes it possible.

-Keyser

Mission: great story. I have one more. I was playing at Mandalay Bay about 5 years ago. Down to my last two red chips again. I had them on red as I recall. The Dealer, who was young, apparently thought I misplaced them. Just before the ball dropped, she moved them over the 00 at the convenience line. Or maybe she was trying to minimize my chances - who knows. Sure enough, the ball settled in the 00 slot. And I ran from the table.

Keyser: yep, I believe experienced Roulette dealers can hit sectors. I've had several openly tell me so.

Quote: midwestgb

I believe experienced Roulette dealers can hit sectors. I've had several openly tell me so.

Then your future is set. Get together with one of them
and work out a code for when he's going to hit a specific number.
Bet the max amount and leave. Get a friend to do the same thing
a few days later. Do this twice a week and split with the dealer.
You'll make a fortune. But beware, lots of dealers say they can
do this and so far none have proven it.

Quote: Evenbob

But beware, lots of dealers say they can
do this and so far none have proven it.

Actually, that's not true. Over the years, several people have demonstrated it on youtube, etc. The problem is that it's tough to spot the fakes from the real thing. Unless you have some experience in the field of vb, have a wheel, have filmed them, or have worked on the wheels, then you may not understand what you're watching.

Quote: Keyser

Actually, that's not true. Over the years, several people have demonstrated it on youtube, etc. The problem is that it's tough to spot the fakes from the real thing. Unless you have some experience in the field of vb, have a wheel, have filmed them, or have worked on the wheels, then you may not understand what you're watching.

when you have infinite attempts to film something, you can make anything happen.

Quote: rudeboyoi

when you have infinite attempts to film something, you can make anything happen.

Ok, then why don't you go ahead and spin 30 reds in a row for me?

My point is this: The real demonstrations do not display just one spin or two. They display several, so that the results are indeed statistically significant. This is why I mentioned the above, "Unless you have some experience in the field of VB, have a wheel, have filmed them, or have worked on the wheels, then you may not understand what you're watching."



And by the way, I'm not talking about dealers increasing the probability of the red or black hitting.



-Keyser

Quote: EvenBob

Quote: midwestgb

I believe experienced Roulette dealers can hit sectors. I've had several openly tell me so.

Then your future is set. Get together with one of them
and work out a code for when he's going to hit a specific number.

midwestgb didn't express belief that dealers could hit a specific number, only sectors (but otherwise your logic is good). So what you'd want to do is find a single-zero Roulette dealer (ideally one that deals tables with the racetrack, but you can make call bets without it if you can remember where the chips go) and work out a code for which sector the dealer is aiming for. Voisins du zero is the biggest. But, again, if it could be done, you'd think that you would see news stories about people getting arrested for doing it.

I do believe that dealers believe that they can do it. But until people start going to jail I'm unconvinced that they actually can. It's just like with gamblers; they only remember the times that it worked. JMO.

There are six parts this link is to part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeXMTq0ieWE

Quote: Mission146

I gathered up all of my chips in a single stack, Whites on top. I played with it. I took off the top five chips and did the Fan/Scoop a couple of times. I replaced the top five chips and made as straight a stack as possible. I then slowly pushed it onto Black.

"What!?"

"The streak ends here, my friend," I said.

The ball spun for half of eternity. The dealer kept giving me nervous glances the whole way, there may even have been a bead or two of sweat on his forehead, or maybe that was just in the movie version of things that sometimes plays in one's mind....After what seemed like three or four more bounces than usual, the ball finally dropped and settled...

Black-17.

The dealer matched my stack with his mouth agape, then he asked, "Is that how you wanted it?"

"Doesn't matter," I said, "I loved your story, and it's a shame that you will no longer be able to tell it. (Tossing $25 on the table) Maybe that will make you feel better, though. For the dealer."

Haha, that is awesome! Way to go against the streak.

Thanks MidwestGB and Teddys, I've done a lot of playing in my life and that is my second-favorite real life story!

Quote: heather

I do believe that dealers believe that they can do it. But until people start going to jail I'm unconvinced that they actually can. It's just like with gamblers; they only remember the times that it worked. JMO.

That's ludicrous. For starters, the casino is the one that would be in trouble, not the dealer, because of the defective wheel. Nobody's going to be arrested for it. However, gaming could, if they were competent in the gaming law, fine a casino for the wheel. Dealer's may also not be aware of the fact that they are sectioning, simply because they are into a rhythm.

Some casinos have policies in place where dealers are pulled off games if they appear to be "sectioning" or if they hit "three in a row". Some dealers will tell you that they do get into trouble by some shift managers if they appear to be looking into the wheel.

The same fella that hit the 5 for me had told me last year that he hit the same number six straight times about a year prior. After the 4th hit, he had called over Maintenance to check the wheel and they cleared it. Then he hit it twice more. Now of course, he was not claiming to have intentionally hit that particular number consecutively on purpose. He meant to imply he has a tendency to find a groove, and/or can 'create' a groove for himself by virtue of his ability to repeat his ball speed and release points.

The guy is incredibly friendly and self-effacing. A gentleman. PM me if anyone wants his name/casino and I will be happy to supply. You can pay him a visit - he is not always on Roulette of course - and see for yourself. I regard him as one of a couple Dealers here in K.C. with a true level of control at the wheel (and no, Bob, I don't claim he can consistently hit any number he calls, rather that he can change the odds of the game by focusing on a sector if he so chooses...)

True story...
When Bills was open in Lake Tahoe (Stateline, I guess it's called), one night I was there...27 came up FIVE TIMES IN A ROW!
The third time I tossed a nickle on it, the fourth time I tossed a quarter, the fifth time I bet max ($50 straight up). Obviously, the sixth time I ALSO bet max...but alas, no hit.
I walked off with a tidy profit and have used 27 as my lucky number ever since! (This was in 2004)

Dealers with finely honed skills might be able to hit specific numbers and dealers with more subtle abilities might only be able to hit specific sectors such as octets, but the easiest way to prove all this is to find a croupier who has retired rich. Ain't none.

Dealers and players can banter a bit and some really memorable coincidences can occur but its nothing but a coincidence. Every dealer knows that if he had any real ability to deal specific cards or spin specific numbers the best thing he can do is stack the players with his relatives one night and retire rich.

Quote: FleaStiff

Dealers with finely honed skills might be able to hit specific numbers and dealers with more subtle abilities might only be able to hit specific sectors such as octets, but the easiest way to prove all this is to find a croupier who has retired rich. Ain't none.

How do you know?

Yep.

Also, these are HONEST guys, IMO. Dan has plenty to say on this topic. They have a skill, but they do not choose to use it improperly. I could approach my Dealer and suggest a conspiracy to achieve a profit, and I assure you it could be achieved. But I will not, and nor would he.

Nor would he agree it could be done in the first place.

I well realize some cannot be convinced. And that is just fine.

How about the man in the mirror ? What does he really think ?

Quote: midwestgb

I well realize some cannot be convinced. And that is just fine.

Its not a matter of convincing, its a matter
of proof. Videos aren't proof. Live demo's
are.

even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
someone called a roulette number? BFD.
people call roulette numbers every day.

Depending on where you live, there's technically one day each year when a stopped clock could be correct only once. On another day during the same year, a clock could be correct three times in one day.