Juggler
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May 2nd, 2012 at 3:18:28 AM permalink
Hi,

I am just getting into online gambling. So far I have played many games in the fun mode and made myself familiar with the odds, strategies and the like (that excludes betting systems). I am confident that it is indeed possible to win around 100 € on a rather consistent basis without selling your grandmother's teeth - given that the Bankroll carries some weight and one gambles with strict self-control. By self-control I mean to resist the urge to regain any losses on the spot and to also appreciate smaller winnings and not go berserk because some intuition is whispering: "You are on a winning streak …. go for the Jackpot .... Jackpot! ...... JACKPOT!!!!!" ^^

But I wonder about the following: Should I do well and generate regular wins on an overall consistent basis, would some greedy online-casinos regard that as advantage play? I ask because I am aware of the fact that the online-casino landscape is pretty wild west. If they screw you, there isn't too much that you can do about it. Even though I am confident that I have spotted some casinos so far, which come across really well regarded (like Bodog, Casino Euro, Euro Grand).

Have any of you guys made experiences with online casinos, that kicked you out just because you did a little too well in their eyes? And when does the term “advantage player” apply?

Thanks for your time.
FleaStiff
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May 2nd, 2012 at 3:29:16 AM permalink
The phrase seems to apply to drunks who think they have some advantage over a negative expectation game or to ordinary players who just happen to come out on the sunny side of Lady Variance and are declared to be advantage players by dishonest casinos who are willing to collect losing bets but not pay off winning bets.
SOOPOO
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May 2nd, 2012 at 4:28:42 AM permalink
YOU may think you are an AP, but 'using the weightof a bankroll' does not make you one, trust us... Unless you are playing a positive expectation game, or are just chasing the short term sign up bonuses , you are not playing with an advantage. (unless you are possibly playing poker against other humans, not the casino)

anyway, the Wiz endorses Bovada, which used to be Bodog, and will assist you if you have a legitimate beef with them. Someone called 'BodogBecky' also periodically addresses concerns on this forum.
Good luck
Juggler
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May 2nd, 2012 at 5:10:28 AM permalink
Well - I am from Germany and I still can visit Bodog. But as I learned here in the meantime there is some shitstorm going on with Bodog in the US, is that right? So would it be better to deposit no money there for the time being?
SOOPOO
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May 2nd, 2012 at 5:51:00 AM permalink
I'm no expert, as I trust no online casinos. The Wiz still vouches for the safety and security of Bovada, which is the site US users apparently use. The users from this forum, as I stated earlier, get prompt resolution to any questions or disputes from 'bodogbecky'. You can private message her with any questions.
WongBo
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May 2nd, 2012 at 6:41:18 AM permalink
there is another thread reporting a problem casino, click here.
you may be interested in this page from wizardofodds.com about online gambling.
or this page about blacklisted casinos.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
hitme
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May 23rd, 2012 at 4:40:22 PM permalink
The only game I have played online is Blackjack at Bovada. I have played many thousands of hands both in practice and live mode on that site. Believe me when I tell you, Bovada cheats. There is no doubt. Practice mode is fine, but they do things in live mode to be sure you do not win consistently. First of all, if you get too much ahead, they dial up the house vigorish. If you are managing your money well enough to play around this, they then start dialing up the vig when you are in catch-up mode. "Random" goes berserk when you step up your unit bets. The house can win ~80% of the hands until you either quit or go broke. And it remembers you. Wait a while, log back on, play a few hands. The first 10-20 hands will seem normal, then the impossible starts happening again. Here is an example of when they are really ticked at you....
House wins 9 hands. You win 1. House wins 4 hands, you win 1. House wins 7 hands. You win 1. House gets 5 BJs in a row. You get none except for pushes. You get 20. House gets 21. You get 21. House gets 21. You win 2 hands. House wins 8. House wins ~90% of all splits and double downs. And so on until you go broke or throw in the towel.

I have played BJ in real casinos almost all my adult life. I play perfect basic strategy. I know normal card distribution from manipulation. Bovada cheats. They do it with their software. Maybe all online casinos do, but my only experience is with Bovada.

Wiz, why don't you play BJ over there with your own money. Then decide if they are a worthy advertiser.
AcesAndEights
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May 24th, 2012 at 11:52:30 AM permalink
Quote: hitme

unfounded accusations


The folks here (especially the Wiz) aren't going to take you seriously unless you have some hard data to back up your accusations. Without meticulously recorded, accurate data, it's impossible to separate accusations like this from selective memory at work.
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DJTeddyBear
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May 24th, 2012 at 12:14:53 PM permalink
I've had sessions like that too.

Except my sessions were in real casinos....
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Juyemura
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May 24th, 2012 at 12:40:42 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I've had sessions like that too. Except my sessions were in real casinos....



Ah... But everyone knows that real casinos are rigged too! So starts the conspiracy theory.
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