Bots!
March 14th, 2011 at 1:14:57 PM
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seems the Bots are getting better?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42070561/
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42070561/
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March 14th, 2011 at 2:39:44 PM
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Its a cnbc reprint of a NY Times article stating that poker bots are becoming numerous and are improving in quality but can usually be detected by their playing style. Despite advances in artificial intelligence poker bots are thought to remain generally unprofitable because their playing skills are insufficient to deal with uncertainties as to their opponents playing styles.
Now as detection: I would think a random time delay on putting into effect the bot's decision would help cloak a poker bot. Also there would have to be delays for them "sitting" at the same table so as not to arouse suspicion about collusion. I don't why AI can't deal sith bluffing and aggressive play. Usually if a human can do it, a computer can do it better and faster.
Now as detection: I would think a random time delay on putting into effect the bot's decision would help cloak a poker bot. Also there would have to be delays for them "sitting" at the same table so as not to arouse suspicion about collusion. I don't why AI can't deal sith bluffing and aggressive play. Usually if a human can do it, a computer can do it better and faster.
March 14th, 2011 at 2:48:33 PM
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Not so fearful of bots as I am of them colluding. Especially if programmed to use that shared information discreetly.
March 14th, 2011 at 2:59:20 PM
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There is a card room poker variant that may - probably will - be coming online and to poker card rooms fairly soon that is an absolute Bot Killer.
VERY similar to Texas Hold 'em.
Can't give you details yet, but you will see it. Worked on it with gaming mathematician "CRM," and its inventor. Huge interest, plays REALLY well.
Computer systems are not yet at the point of emulating a human personality, especially that of a gambler in action.
VERY similar to Texas Hold 'em.
Can't give you details yet, but you will see it. Worked on it with gaming mathematician "CRM," and its inventor. Huge interest, plays REALLY well.
Quote: FleaStiffI don't why AI can't deal sith bluffing and aggressive play. Usually if a human can do it, a computer can do it better and faster.
Computer systems are not yet at the point of emulating a human personality, especially that of a gambler in action.
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March 14th, 2011 at 3:17:01 PM
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But then again BOTS don't go on tilt. LOL Good luck with poker game. BJ distributors and game providers in general receptive to new products. Have not found that to be true in poker world. Either told me I was crazy or that they did not want to limit table, selection, add wild cards, or use multiple decks. None of which had anything to do with what I was pitching. Geez, cost nothing to listen, can explain in 20 seconds, complete pitch in less than 2 minutes. Hope I or someone makes them regret being know-it-alls !!
March 14th, 2011 at 3:43:13 PM
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Fact is, bots don't give much action anyways. If there were multiple bots in the game you would recognize them as completely tight (you would, right) and avoid giving them any action. You don't have to beat the bots, just like you don't have to beat good players.
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March 14th, 2011 at 3:51:14 PM
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I wish I could get some high quality poker bots built.
EvenBob: "Look America, I have a tiny wee-wee, can anybody
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March 15th, 2011 at 5:48:19 AM
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If poker sites wanted to, they could easily eliminate bots.
The simple solution is to periodically (every 30 minutes?) require all players to type specific characters that appear in a graphic - the same type of thing that is used on many website's data forms, to prevent spam.
The simple solution is to periodically (every 30 minutes?) require all players to type specific characters that appear in a graphic - the same type of thing that is used on many website's data forms, to prevent spam.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/
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March 15th, 2011 at 5:55:16 AM
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Dave -
Yes, they could.
But that would require players to re-authenticate themselves in the midst of a heavy action poker game - and BOY would they be pissed about THAT - and in the midst of their gambling action - if they are not a bot.
It would be way too disruptive to the gambling action.
There is no easy anwser...yes, there is....
Yes, they could.
But that would require players to re-authenticate themselves in the midst of a heavy action poker game - and BOY would they be pissed about THAT - and in the midst of their gambling action - if they are not a bot.
It would be way too disruptive to the gambling action.
There is no easy anwser...yes, there is....
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March 15th, 2011 at 4:56:15 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearIf poker sites wanted to, they could easily eliminate bots.
The simple solution is to periodically (every 30 minutes?) require all players to type specific characters that appear in a graphic - the same type of thing that is used on many website's data forms, to prevent spam.
That would take care of the bots.
Unfortunately it would also eliminate most players, too.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
March 16th, 2011 at 12:43:49 AM
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Quote: NareedThat would take care of the bots.
Unfortunately it would also eliminate most players, too.
Yeah that would be very annoying. Although it would be kinda amusing if you had to type something for each table being played. I'd love to see some of those poker kids going nuts typing phrases for 28 tables every half hour.
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March 16th, 2011 at 5:07:19 AM
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Wouldn't ONE DAY of such nonsense give the poker sites a list of suspect IP addresses and suspect AccountNames?Quote: JimMorrisonYeah that would be very annoying. Although it would be kinda amusing if you had to type something for each table being played. I'd love to see some of those poker kids going nuts typing phrases for 28 tables every half hour.
This might not drive quite so many players away but the bots didn't respond promptly would have some 'splaining to do.
March 16th, 2011 at 6:07:40 AM
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OK. So the idea needs tweaking. But it IS workable.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/
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March 16th, 2011 at 7:55:12 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearOK. So the idea needs tweaking. But it IS workable.
The main problem with the idea DJ is that BOT technology has almost caught up to humans in decoding the damn things already. It is estimated that within a couple of more years the things will be useless in stopping BOT's anyway even in places where they are already used.
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March 16th, 2011 at 9:14:34 AM
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Isn't it also true that some of the "bots" are humans sitting there with their software kicking out the correct 'bot' move, which means you are playing robo-gambler actually? this type would not be bothered by the need to see something visually.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell! She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 17th, 2011 at 2:59:48 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitIsn't it also true that some of the "bots" are humans sitting there with their software kicking out the correct 'bot' move, which means you are playing robo-gambler actually? this type would not be bothered by the need to see something visually.
Sorta. I've long held the opinion that HUD's and PT should be banned. It's cheating when the average donk has no idea software like that exists.
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March 17th, 2011 at 6:49:29 PM
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At least the bots are honest. Same can't be said for too many on-line poker players. I mean player wins big tournament, gets busted, then a few years later he is player rep for that same poker room. I mean why let him back in with your customers? There are other rooms. Illegal rooms I played in years ago had higher morals and he would never be allowed to play there again.
Hell, we might even send flowers to him in the hospital.
Hell, we might even send flowers to him in the hospital.
June 24th, 2011 at 4:36:27 AM
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I have finished stage one of my bot, it plays limit holdem $1/$2 blinds, single table currently.
It can read the screen, the player names, stack sizes, and bet amounts.
It plays according to a strict rule system that varies based on the holdings (CAT1-CAT5 or trash) and its position.
I am currently building a database of the players (mostly regulars) that it plays against to add on stage two, history.
The bot is able to chat, and reply to standardish messages, or say "nice hand" when its well beat, or to say "nice catch" if an opponant hits a 2 or 3 outer etc. It takes breaks at random intervals, and can leave the table after a certain win/loss time limit is reached.
I run poker tracker in the background, not so much for the bot, but for auditing purposes. It has played in excess of 30,000 hands in the last 3 months, and has a total profit of around $3,000 making about $5 an hour on average. To be honest the site I am playing at offers $10,000 a month in live sponsoring when you reach a certain level, so the profit is not as important. I would guess the bot lost over $1,000 in the development stage, so its not all win win.
It can read the screen, the player names, stack sizes, and bet amounts.
It plays according to a strict rule system that varies based on the holdings (CAT1-CAT5 or trash) and its position.
I am currently building a database of the players (mostly regulars) that it plays against to add on stage two, history.
The bot is able to chat, and reply to standardish messages, or say "nice hand" when its well beat, or to say "nice catch" if an opponant hits a 2 or 3 outer etc. It takes breaks at random intervals, and can leave the table after a certain win/loss time limit is reached.
I run poker tracker in the background, not so much for the bot, but for auditing purposes. It has played in excess of 30,000 hands in the last 3 months, and has a total profit of around $3,000 making about $5 an hour on average. To be honest the site I am playing at offers $10,000 a month in live sponsoring when you reach a certain level, so the profit is not as important. I would guess the bot lost over $1,000 in the development stage, so its not all win win.
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
June 24th, 2011 at 4:55:15 AM
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Quote: WizardofEnglandI have finished stage one of my bot, it plays limit holdem $1/$2 blinds, single table currently.
It can read the screen, the player names, stack sizes, and bet amounts.
It plays according to a strict rule system that varies based on the holdings (CAT1-CAT5 or trash) and its position.
I am currently building a database of the players (mostly regulars) that it plays against to add on stage two, history.
The bot is able to chat, and reply to standardish messages, or say "nice hand" when its well beat, or to say "nice catch" if an opponant hits a 2 or 3 outer etc. It takes breaks at random intervals, and can leave the table after a certain win/loss time limit is reached.
I run poker tracker in the background, not so much for the bot, but for auditing purposes. It has played in excess of 30,000 hands in the last 3 months, and has a total profit of around $3,000 making about $5 an hour on average. To be honest the site I am playing at offers $10,000 a month in live sponsoring when you reach a certain level, so the profit is not as important. I would guess the bot lost over $1,000 in the development stage, so its not all win win.
Because you were playing other bot's
June 24th, 2011 at 5:21:37 AM
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what do you mean?
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
June 24th, 2011 at 9:18:40 AM
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He means their bot was meaner than yours during the losing periods.
June 24th, 2011 at 10:56:43 AM
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Quote: dmHe means their bot was meaner than yours during the losing periods.
Precisely
June 25th, 2011 at 2:16:57 AM
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Quote: JIMMYFOCKERPrecisely
I think you missed the point, it has made a profit, and only lost whilst it was being tested... I only need a few thousand more points and I get a $10,000 montly live sponsorship deal ;-)
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
