MoyraJohnas
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March 1st, 2011 at 5:53:03 AM permalink
Hi

does anyone know if there is an online casino that offers "to the maximum" bets?
Meaning - to be able to bet on all combinations that include a specific number? As far as I know this is also called "complete bet".
What are the exact rules of this kind of a bet and how popular is it?

Thank you!!
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March 1st, 2011 at 7:49:21 AM permalink
that is just a combination of bets, so just set up the combination and press spin. I am not aware of a 'one click' feature like that online
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March 1st, 2011 at 8:15:05 AM permalink
While at Aria, I saw buttons (similar to buy buttons in craps) that said "complete". This was at the single zero table. I assume you place your unit bet on the number and then call out "complete" and they place the button on it, and you pay the difference. In other words, for a complete bet on 17, you would hand them 40 chips, and they place one on 17 with the button on it.
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March 1st, 2011 at 8:34:20 AM permalink
OK. I'm confused.

What does a 'complete' bet DO? How much does it pay, and when?
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March 1st, 2011 at 8:44:05 AM permalink
Its a straight up bet a number to the table max, 4 splits on the same number to the table max, 4 corner bets on the same number to the table max, 1 street bet to max, 2 split street bets to the max, on dozen bet to the max, one column bet to the max, one red/black bet to the max, one odd/even bet to the max, one hi/lo bet to the max.

so 17 would be

Straight up,
17/14 split
17/16 split
17/18 split
17/20 split
17/15 corner
17/13 corner
17/19 corner
17/21 corner
16-17-18 street
13-14-15 16-17-18 split street
16-17-18 19-20-21 split street
middle dozen, middle column
one black bet
one odd bet
one lo bet

all to the table maximum allowed.

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March 1st, 2011 at 8:55:42 AM permalink
Um, WOW.

Yeah, I guess that WOULD be a 'complete' bet.

The OP said "All combinations." I guess my brain refused to make that leap that someone would actually do that. LOL
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March 1st, 2011 at 9:03:31 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Um, WOW.

Yeah, I guess that WOULD be a 'complete' bet.

The OP said "All combinations." I guess my brain refused to make that leap that someone would actually do that. LOL



In london I saw a guy bet 17, 32 and 8 all to the max, at least 30 spins in a row. He had about £1 million in chips in front of him, by the end he nothing. Not one single hit (he got a few splits, corners and stuff) but no 17,32 or 8 direct hits. The dealer didnt actually place the chips, they just put them to one side, and paid out his small wins.
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March 1st, 2011 at 9:07:02 AM permalink
Taken from the internet

"Based on the location of the numbers on the layout, the number of chips required to "complete" a number can be determined.

* Zero costs 17 pieces to complete and pays 235 pieces.
* Number 1 and number 3 each cost 27 pieces and pay 297 pieces.
* Number 2 is a 36 piece bet and pays 396 pieces.
* 1st column numbers 4 to 31 and 3rd column numbers 6 to 33, cost 30 pieces each to complete. The payout for a win on these 30 piece bets is 294 pieces.
* 2nd column numbers 5 to 32 cost 40 pieces each to complete. The payout for a win on these numbers is 392 pieces.
* Numbers 34 and 36 each cost 18 pieces and pay 198 pieces.
* Number 35 is a 24 piece bet which pays 264 pieces.

Most typically (Mayfair casinos in London and other top class European casinos) with these maximum or full complete bets nothing (except the aforementioned maximum button) are ever placed on the layout even in the case of a win. Experienced gaming staff, and the type of customers playing such bets, are fully aware of the payouts and so the croupier simply makes up the correct payout, announces its value to the table inspector (floor person in the USA) and the customer, and then passes it to the customer, but only after a verbal authorization from the inspector has been received.

Also typically at this level of play (house rules allowing) the experienced croupier caters to the needs of the customer and will most often add the customer's winning bet to the payout, as the type of player playing these bets very rarely bets the same number two spins in succession. For example, the winning 40 piece / $40,000 bet on "17 to the maximum" pays 392 pieces / $392,000. The experienced croupier would pay the player 432 pieces / $432,000, that is 392 + 40, with the announcement that the payout "is with your bet down Sir".

There are also several methods to determine the payout should a number adjacent to a chosen number be the winner; for example, player bets 40 pieces on "23 to the maximum" and number 26 is the winning number. The most notable method is known as the "station" system or method; roulette dealing at this level is very complex and the exact methods are beyond the scope of this thread - suffice it to say that a "good experienced croupier" would have no problem working with "stations".

In some casinos, a player may bet full complete for less than the table straight-up maximum; for example, "number 17 full complete by $25" would cost $1000, that is 40 pieces each at $25 value."
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March 1st, 2011 at 10:04:06 AM permalink
Quote: WizardofEngland

... He had about £1 million in chips in front of him, by the end he had nothing.


Why am I not surprised?
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March 1st, 2011 at 11:05:35 AM permalink
Quote: WizardofEngland

There are also several methods to determine the payout should a number adjacent to a chosen number be the winner; for example, player bets 40 pieces on "23 to the maximum" and number 26 is the winning number. The most notable method is known as the "station" system or method; roulette dealing at this level is very complex and the exact methods are beyond the scope of this thread - suffice it to say that a "good experienced croupier" would have no problem working with "stations".



I would be very interested in a fuller explanation of "stations". Perhaps a blog post?
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March 1st, 2011 at 7:10:51 PM permalink
These bets are all very interesting. I wish roulette wasn't bastardized here in North America so we could have some fun with them.
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March 2nd, 2011 at 12:02:40 AM permalink
Wow so many answers in such a short time.. took me by surprise..
However, I somehow had the impression that the 'to th maximum' bets include only the nside bets that cover the number - meaning - all red/black, odds/even and hi/lo bets are not a part of these combinations. Can it be that each casino does it differently? Or maybe i was simply wrong (i never placed a bet like this myself)?
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March 2nd, 2011 at 12:35:31 AM permalink
It can vary, it guess it depends on the player. The guy I saw was obviously a massive customer to the casino in question. So maybe they knew he would want to bet the outside as well?

I am working on a blog post regarding stations, but it could be some time....
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March 3rd, 2011 at 5:01:40 AM permalink
dont forget to let us know when the blog is out...

i have only one question that was not answered.. Is there anywehre online i can place these bets?
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March 3rd, 2011 at 5:16:39 AM permalink
Quote: MoyraJohnas

dont forget to let us know when the blog is out...

i have only one question that was not answered.. Is there anywehre online i can place these bets?



I don't think there is a one click option anywhere I know of, but you can just place the bets manually.
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