40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 5:34:33 AM permalink
1. 6h, 8h 2. 4h 8h 3. 8h 2s 4. 10s 9d 5. 6d 2s 6. 4c 5c 7. 5h 4c 8 . 9d 2c 9. 4h 7d 10. 3s 8c 11. 8s 7c 12. 7h 6s
13. 8s 3h 14. js 3d 15. 8s 4s 16. 7s 6s 17. 6c 3c 18. 3d 5s 19. 4d 7c 20. 4c 3s 21. 5c 2d. 22. 7s 4c 23. 8h 2s 24. 6c 2c
25. 6c 3c 26. 7s 4d 27. 4d 3s ...does this look only to me, as very diffcult pocket cards to be dealt in a row. And only two players being dealt to till number 26
cards. I been told this is a random shuffle, and theirs nothing wrong, or strange about this cards dealt in a row !
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
SOOPOO
• Posts: 11141
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
January 16th, 2011 at 5:58:13 AM permalink
Yes, that is rare! The odds of being dealt those exact 54 cards in that exact sequence is 1 out of (52 to the 54th power). The same odds as any sequence of 54 cards from a 52 card deck. You may want to ask the question more specifically, such as "What are the chances of being dealt 27 consecutive two card hands with no aces, kings, or queens?" Or "What are the odds of 27 consecutive 2 card hands with no pairs or suited connectors?" Just asking what are the chances I will be dealt cards this bad is too vague a question.
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 6:12:49 AM permalink
thank you for your thoughts, and comments on this. It seems that i get alot of these low pocket cards dealt in rows of 14 to high as 30
times in a row. The only explaination I can get is a form explaining the RNG systems, and deals are completely random.

I know of no other times that I've been dealt low cards with every deal. And try to compete with the JQ, or higher pocket cards.
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
SOOPOO
• Posts: 11141
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
January 16th, 2011 at 6:23:24 AM permalink
I do not play at any online sites, but if you feel that in some way you are being cheated at a particular site, do not return to that site. Any analysis of a sequence of cards may be suggestive of a non random pattern, but unlikely to be 'proof'. But if you have that feeling, why return?
Croupier
• Posts: 1258
Joined: Nov 15, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 6:24:33 AM permalink
Quote: 40487

I been told this is a random shuffle, and theirs nothing wrong, or strange about this cards dealt in a row !

Test it. Get a deck of cards. Shuffle. Deal. Repeat. See what happens.
[This space is intentionally left blank]
miplet
• Posts: 2117
Joined: Dec 1, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 6:35:34 AM permalink
Quote: 40487

thank you for your thoughts, and comments on this. It seems that i get alot of these low pocket cards dealt in rows of 14 to high as 30
times in a row.

And when you play thousands of hands you will continue to see them. You have a lot of threads that seem to imply a non random deal in online poker. To quote the Wizard
Quote: Wizard

For the proper way to make a case of casino cheating, please see the second question in my FAQ about gambling on the Internet.

“Man Babes” #AxelFabulous
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 6:51:19 AM permalink
principle of it being wrong. And having being told its right.
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 6:53:18 AM permalink
Quote: Croupier

Test it. Get a deck of cards. Shuffle. Deal. Repeat. See what happens.

Done that just in playing live games. But i have just spent hours dealing, and shuffling cards. And havent produce the
same random deals for pocket cards as online
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
RaleighCraps
• Posts: 2501
Joined: Feb 20, 2010
January 16th, 2011 at 8:38:06 AM permalink
Quote: 40487

thank you for your thoughts, and comments on this. It seems that i get alot of these low pocket cards dealt in rows of 14 to high as 30
times in a row. The only explaination I can get is a form explaining the RNG systems, and deals are completely random.

I know of no other times that I've been dealt low cards with every deal. And try to compete with the JQ, or higher pocket cards.

I played in a tournament in a casino last year, and never had a face card until after the first break. And it was painful, as there were 3 players on the table who were playing absolute junk. One good set or even a pair of face cards would have doubled me up. The cards were hand shuffled, so no RNG tom foolery. Fact is, it just happens. As for the tournament? I got AK suited after the break, and with a short stack went all in. Lost to a low pair when nothing came to match my AK. Went back to the craps table and won \$1500 to ease my poker pain.
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back ! Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
P90
• Posts: 1703
Joined: Jan 8, 2011
January 16th, 2011 at 9:16:19 AM permalink
I once won in online NLH at a 10-seat table something like 30 times in a row, playing TAG/LAG. I mean in a row, not even a freebie fold. Started out with a few monster hands and strong plays. After that a bit over half the time everyone just folded, often to my surprise, but even then every hand was either a pocket pair or a decent drawing hand, not a single 72o-like stone cold bluff. About ten hands just plain won the pot with multiple competitors - each time someone called my raises or went all-in, I got a flush, a straight or a strong two pair like AA-QQ. Didn't win much due to low stakes, preflop folding and lazy play (I was watching a movie, ran poker on a laptop waiting for good hands), but the sheer number of consecutive wins was memorable.

Pretty sure I wasn't in collusion with the site. Just variance. (Not luck - luck would be getting a streak like that at high stakes or in a tourney.) And, if anything, it's much less probable to be dealt 30 good hands in a row than 30 junk hands, since there is more junk ones. I don't even have an idea how many junk hands I've been dealt in a row, you don't play them so don't bother counting, but skipping 26 hands, that's not even rare. Playing textbook TAG it's right about the normal number of hands to skip in a row.
Resist ANFO Boston PRISM Stormfront IRA Freedom CIA Obama
FinsRule
• Posts: 3917
Joined: Dec 23, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 11:03:20 AM permalink
If you would have gotten a hand that was Kd 3c, would you have been happier?

I agree with a previous poster, if you think it's fixed, don't play there anymore. I think all online games are fixed, so I don't deposit, except for sports/horse. I play some freerolls for fun though.
WizardofEngland
• Posts: 638
Joined: Nov 2, 2010
January 16th, 2011 at 12:30:00 PM permalink
I agree its rare to have such a bad run. But I have to ask the question, what motive would the site have for dealing you junk pocket cards? If anything sites have been accused of the exact opposite, dealing big hands to get a larger pot and hence greater rake.

But I firmly believe a trust worthy site will always be at the top. I know pokerstars go to great lengths to show that their games (and RNG) are fair, and I am pretty sure they have the lions share.
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 1:13:55 PM permalink
[
" I agree with a previous poster, if you think it's fixed, don't play there anymore. I think all online games are fixed, ". Quote from
post above.......or pervious page

These online sites are letting low skill players win. With the purpose of creating bad players in higher stakes tables. By providing
these newer players with dramatic ways of trash pocket cards that always produce a fullhouse, or flush, and quad hands on
river. Or all in with pocket 2s. That beats any higher pocket pairs, or any more favorable pocket cards.
And when this players goes to high, or medium stake tables. Now since they been winning with A 9, OR WITH ANY Ace pocket card.
Give 4 new players a ace in their pocket card. And everyone will raise with A6, A9 ,A7, A8, OFF SUIT. And give a 4 2 J FLOP they will go all in.
Each new player has had the ace river bail them out 3/4 of the time. Think about it if you let 500 new
players win on cards that alot of players wouldn't play. And you let them win with trash pocket cards a few hundred times , and
win all in bets just by luck, or desperation. Which will create bad players, and bad players with weak poker skills, compensate by betting
more then their possible poker chances of winning the hand deems with their cards.

Speed is important the quicker a new players win, and build their confidence in playing. And how easy it was to get flushes with pocket suits,
and aces on river. And how winning hands are made at the turn ,and river. Not pocket cards, and with the flop cards. Any str8, or flush, fullhouse
hands made just on pocket cards and flop cards will always lose to a bigger str8, flush, or fullhouse on the backside of the hand using the turn,
and river cards. That way it builds up the suspense, and the nice hand reaction from the other new players.

Its a nice well thought out system. That is hard to dectect by alot of players that are sitting
at home. Some playing while their drinking beer, others smoking their weed. And without direct communication, and awarness that you get from
other players in live games. Theirs a certain security lost that you have when playing live tables. If a player was getting low cards in pocket for 25
hands in a row... We would know by either the player telling, or showing after hand been played. Now some have buttons to make smiling faces, and
different facial expressions, and different jestures. Which as the site knows that having players playing with funny yellow circle faces. Keeps them
from noticing any unusal deals. Possible errors in the poker pobability some players win with, and others lose with. Keeps them from learning the
game so if they every play at live table the difference and high ranks, and shuffled cards won't be so noticeable to them.

Nobody has been in a casino, and have a new player. Makeing bold bets by raising per-flop, then betting on the different ranks the flop cards can beat you on.
Then if you have two-pair or better, and your at 89% after the turn card dealt. And out of 52 cards in the deck only 2 cards can beat you on river. And this
player wins in every hand he didn't folded before flop. Say 5,000 chips to 891,000 in 20 hands. So when you know their bluffing, and they're obvious
with each bet they are progressively betting more chips hopeing you fold, and when you go all in with a set, or higher rank , and this player goes all in
now too because the only chance he has is if your bluffing, but you have a set rank or higher. And this player will grab a 4 card draw flush using river,
or snag any higher hand. And this happen 11 out 13 hands at my table. Then he was gone.

I believe every new player gets to win a number of hands. Even if the player sucks the software will delivery wins. By setting up other players with favorable
pocket cards, then dealing a card(s) in flop which provides more players to bet and raise the stack. While players are 1 card away from a set, str8, or
flush, and raising, and re-raising. This new player is betting on a pair picked up on flop, and then gets a 3 of a kind on turn, followed by quads on river.
Thats the extreme end which happens more online. Or deals you a flush, or up/down str8 that you needed only 1 card after flop to have,
and you been chasing it to river. And you see the card dealt in river you need, but also you see a possible higher hand for the other player
that you where sitting up to slam. But amazing again only 4 cards in the 52 deck could give him the win, and any of the other 48 cards dealt
in river you win. New players get it almost everytime.

I could give great evidence showing remarkable hands played..But to show proof you cant just show 10, or 20 hands
it has to be in groups of 70 to 100 hands in a row. And because I'm terrible with editing hands right now. I cant post alot of history.
That is something online support will not do. They will only look at a few hands and never look at 10, 20 in a row. 3 hands can be
easily explain with luck, or bad beats. But 20 to 30 hands in a row is alot harder to explain.
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
minnesotajoe
• Posts: 168
Joined: Dec 18, 2010
January 16th, 2011 at 2:30:53 PM permalink
40487... I see that you feel strongly that online poker is 'fixed'... my suggestion is that you stop playing.

Not to offend you, but in my opinion you seem to be developing a gambling problem. You are putting so much emphasis on the fact that you (or other players) were such heavy favorites... you said many times only two last cards in the deck that could beat you... only to have a player suck out on the river. You are making the excuse, "Since I put my money in as a 80%+ favorite and continually lose... it is not my fault I am losing, the website is fixed". You are suggesting that you are such a great poker player that you should not be losing. If it is true that you consistantly put your money in as a huge favorite... then over the long run... you should be showing good profits.

However, you do not point out the times that you have won as an underdog. If the best hand won everytime, poker would be a boring game. AK is a very good starting hand... but if you beat 22, 33, 44, etc (not saying all in preflop) but in general... then you sucked out.
You call from the sb with KQ suited. BB checks with A9. If you win the hand.. you sucked out
-----------
Again.

If you are consistantly putting your money in as a heavy favorite, over time your profits will reflect that.

Think of it like a casino. Ignoring a punter-friendly count in blackjack, any wager you make and win... you sucked out.
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 2:34:32 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

If you would have gotten a hand that was Kd 3c, would you have been happier?

I agree with a previous poster, if you think it's fixed, don't play there anymore. I think all online games are fixed, so I don't deposit, except for sports/horse. I play some freerolls for fun though.

yes...cards on the board was mostly 3 to 4 face cards, and one single number card.
Which is something else A to 10 card in all 4 suits is 20 cards. 2 to 9 cards in all 4 suits is a total of 32 cards. Why then after looking in history, and
then I start realizing that in a full dealt of cards on the board. Each had 3 or more of the Ace to 10 cards dealt on board then the 2 to 9 cards.
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 4:08:19 PM permalink
Quote: minnesotajoe

40487... I see that you feel strongly that online poker is 'fixed'... my suggestion is that you stop playing.

Not to offend you, but in my opinion you seem to be developing a gambling problem. You are putting so much emphasis on the fact that you (or other players) were such heavy favorites... you said many times only two last cards in the deck that could beat you... only to have a player suck out on the river. You are making the excuse, "Since I put my money in as a 80%+ favorite and continually lose... it is not my fault I am losing, the website is fixed". You are suggesting that you are such a great poker player that you should not be losing. If it is true that you consistantly put your money in as a huge favorite... then over the long run... you should be showing good profits.

However, you do not point out the times that you have won as an underdog. If the best hand won everytime, poker would be a boring game. AK is a very good starting hand... but if you beat 22, 33, 44, etc (not saying all in preflop) but in general... then you sucked out.
You call from the sb with KQ suited. BB checks with A9. If you win the hand.. you sucked out
-----------
Again.

If you are consistantly putting your money in as a heavy favorite, over time your profits will reflect that.

Think of it like a casino. Ignoring a punter-friendly count in blackjack, any wager you make and win... you sucked out.

That's some of the problem. People's perception, and reality are two different things.

I hate the hype with underhands, bad beats, lucky runs, river bailouts, players last desperation all in bets.
Poker odds have been establish hundred of years before the internet. Poker odds have been proven mathamatically
and in every deck of cards I've seen or bought the poker odds on 5 card draw, and 7-card stud was given.
Ask a online casino the odds on getting pocket aces out of 200 hands of holdem. They will not provide it. And
I'm not asking how many times I'll win with pocket aces in 200 hands of hold'em. Just the odds in pocket aces.

The people who created the software had to know the correct holdem odds to write the program. Or it could at random
deal two different aces to the same player as pocket cards again, and again. As Ac, then Ad Ah then to Ac Ah and then As Ad.
And the online poker site would claim those dealt pocket cards (Aces) as random dealt hand. Their random explaination
can simple mean that a player gets selected random cards to lose with, or folded with, maybe bluff with.

But how dare I question their software. They have thrown away their capitalism desire, and stock holders dividens
returns. They made no minor adjustments to the poker game that might bring alittle more coin to their profit,
or help new players get their confendence to hurry to the real money tables, and higher stakes. Theirs not anymore
players go all in at online tables then at live tables. And players that doesn't lose .oops ..I mean any play that dont play
on high stakes willn't be a target for newer players that might go to higher stake tables. If that new player needed
to gain confidence before going to higher stakes real money table. He must beat this skilled player that hasn't
contribute to any rake in a year. He's ran off more then 100 new players every month. We rather cut are power cords.
Before we put the players fairiness , and honest competiness behide the companies primary reason to operate,
that is to to bring in more profits then the last years.

No I dont get the lucky brakes on river cause i dont go all in on crap...

Odds just confused new players. Makes their betting reflexes nervious, and hesitant on the all in bet.
Besides we have yellow circle faces. And little animation figures that does different acts if you learn
the codewords. Which helps new players not to think to much as they play. Instead of learning real
poker odds as by pay attention and remembering probabilities. We try to give the new poker player another
activity to do while he plays poker. Get those codewords, and watch the silly monkey dance...

And on the gambling addiction remark. Yeah that must be the only reason a person like me could be.
Just a player that cant face the obvious fact that I must suck at poker.
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
gog
• Posts: 105
Joined: Jan 7, 2011
January 16th, 2011 at 5:09:30 PM permalink
1. Delete your poker account and set up a new one
2. Buy in for 100x what you usually would. Sell your house, take a loan, go crazy!
3. Keep move all in with your 2-7o and 3-6o, don't worry about the odds, since you're "new" and obviously unskilled the cards will be rigged to let you win. Problem solved.
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 5:23:27 PM permalink
Quote: gog

1. Delete your poker account and set up a new one
2. Buy in for 100x what you usually would. Sell your house, take a loan, go crazy!
3. Keep move all in with your 2-7o and 3-6o, don't worry about the odds, since you're "new" and obviously unskilled the cards will be rigged to let you win. Problem solved.

funny you mention that. Because on a few sites the first 2 months was profitable. And when I stop playing on a site for a few weeks. And played
off and on for another month. I stoped winning big pots only small ones. And another site went dead deals after I withdrawed most of my claim.

but thats a good plan..Lets do it with your money. You came up with this approach in detecting poker faults. I'm sure online sites would enjoy
the testing of their creditablity.
And since you take losing your money by possible fraud, which your simple mind might view it as you're not
a mark if you don't know you're a mark.
Or is little man symptoms that makes it hard to accept something that seems hard to grasp, and
it's to complacated. That might take time before the masses agree. Then when it seems more have accept it. Than you will jump to that side.
You must let others decide for you, and you'll pay them back for the direction they showen you to take. And to repay them you make fun, or dismiss
other with different views.
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
rxwine
• Posts: 12409
Joined: Feb 28, 2010
January 16th, 2011 at 6:24:00 PM permalink
Haven't almost all the pro players lost gobs of money at times? That's variance, bad luck, whatever.

Can't help with the rigged aspect, if there is one.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
DorothyGale
• Posts: 639
Joined: Nov 23, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 6:42:29 PM permalink
I'll actually step in and say -- yes -- those cards are funny. I don't have any proof you were dealt these cards, just your word on it. Any reasonable statistical analysis would put these cards way out on a tail and not just as random as any other 54 consecutive cards. For example, the probability of not being dealt a Q, K, or A in 54 cards is (10/13)^54 = 0.0000007032.

I am sure that a chi-square analysis would give a p-value up the yin yang ... but ... this all begs the question ...

Where are your game logs to investigate this? ... I think you can get these in some form from pokertableratings.com Say, why don't you tell us your login name so we can see your results ourselves?

As for motive, I'd rather have proof first ...
"Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness!"
mkl654321
• Posts: 3412
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
January 16th, 2011 at 7:22:44 PM permalink
I've posted before that I wouldn't trust any online casino as far as I could throw it, but this particular anomaly is kind of strange in that while very, very, very weird, it's hard to say how the casino would have profited by it. If they want to pump up their profits, what they will do is deal out a lot of "action hands" that will produce lots of big pots and produce more rake. A series of nothing hands means you will just fold, fold, fold, which doesn't make you a very profitable customer.

So this may have been a genuine oddball occurence, or (probably more likely), a glitch in the website's software. In any case, I wouldn't play there again if I were you.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
gog
• Posts: 105
Joined: Jan 7, 2011
January 16th, 2011 at 10:16:37 PM permalink
Quote: 40487

funny you mention that. Because on a few sites the first 2 months was profitable. And when I stop playing on a site for a few weeks. And played
off and on for another month. I stoped winning big pots only small ones. And another site went dead deals after I withdrawed most of my claim.

but thats a good plan..Lets do it with your money. You came up with this approach in detecting poker faults. I'm sure online sites would enjoy
the testing of their creditablity.
And since you take losing your money by possible fraud, which your simple mind might view it as you're not
a mark if you don't know you're a mark.
Or is little man symptoms that makes it hard to accept something that seems hard to grasp, and
it's to complacated. That might take time before the masses agree. Then when it seems more have accept it. Than you will jump to that side.
You must let others decide for you, and you'll pay them back for the direction they showen you to take. And to repay them you make fun, or dismiss
other with different views.

Yes your views are indeed very "complacated".
1. You started off by complaining that you had a bad run of cards in a row.
2. Then you claim that poker sites are letting unskilled players win by claiming that they can shove all in with ANY ACE, even unsuited ones, and the river will bail them out; making point 1 meaningless since they need you to be in the pot in order to be sucked out on the river.
3. Poker sites use funny smiling faces to distract players from noticing that they're cheating, because players sitting in for 10+ hours a day, and therefore more profitable for the site, are also the ones that have the attention span of a gnat :'D
4. You frequently get sets or higher only to be outdrawn on the river. So I guess your cards weren't that crappy after all.
5. Next you realized that ace to 10 cards show up more frequently on "full dealt boards". Again, I thought you were here to whine about bad starting hands? Or are you claiming that they hired a full time script writer to tailor every hand you play?
mkl654321
• Posts: 3412
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
January 16th, 2011 at 11:11:01 PM permalink
Quote: gog

Yes your views are indeed very "complacated".
1. You started off by complaining that you had a bad run of cards in a row.
2. Then you claim that poker sites are letting unskilled players win by claiming that they can shove all in with ANY ACE, even unsuited ones, and the river will bail them out; making point 1 meaningless since they need you to be in the pot in order to be sucked out on the river.
3. Poker sites use funny smiling faces to distract players from noticing that they're cheating, because players sitting in for 10+ hours a day, and therefore more profitable for the site, are also the ones that have the attention span of a gnat :'D
4. You frequently get sets or higher only to be outdrawn on the river. So I guess your cards weren't that crappy after all.
5. Next you realized that ace to 10 cards show up more frequently on "full dealt boards". Again, I thought you were here to whine about bad starting hands? Or are you claiming that they hired a full time script writer to tailor every hand you play?

His concerns are legitimate; he's just not articulating them very well.

The fact of the matter is, bizarre things happen in online poker, and the first few times, you chalk it up to normal statistical variation, but then those things keep happening. Hands almost never hold up, and you tell yourself that that's because so many people play every hand to the river. But gradually, like old fish, things begin to smell:

The last hand of online poker I ever played: \$0.50-\$1 no-limit hold'em. I picked up KK in 2nd seat and raised to 4BB. Two callers. Flop comes J63 rainbow. I make a pot-sized bet, one caller. I wonder if I'm in trouble, as this guy hasn't played many hands. Turn is a 7, I shrug and go all in for my last \$75. He calls, the river is a Q, and he shows Q7 offsuit and takes the pot. No hand preflop, no pair, no draw on the flop, one small pair, no kicker on the turn.

I immediately left the table and went to the cashier and tried to close my account. Four weeks later, I got my money. I guess I was lucky in that regard--many people get nothing when they try to cash out.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
Croupier
• Posts: 1258
Joined: Nov 15, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 11:35:50 PM permalink
I was just playing a Satellite on Full Tilt.

First hand, an all in and a call, A-10o vs K8c, A-10 hits Quads over a flopped flush.

Second hand, Q7o beats out AKs after turning a straight.

Three hands after that, I get AA. Four limpers so I push. Two fold, I get called by 56d (coincidentally the best hand to have against AA) and get busted by a turned straight. Two out of these three pots were won by the same person. Is this fishy, or is it variance? Is it human perception trying to excuse statistical anomolies?

I trust Full Tilt so Im gonna chalk it up to bad luck and experience. Mainly because it wasnt for money. And S**t happens.
[This space is intentionally left blank]
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 16th, 2011 at 11:58:51 PM permalink
be glad to give you the hand history.
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
mkl654321
• Posts: 3412
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
January 17th, 2011 at 12:22:28 AM permalink
Quote: Croupier

I trust Full Tilt so Im gonna chalk it up to bad luck and experience. Mainly because it wasnt for money. And S**t happens.

Well, I feel compelled to mention that the hand I described in my post, above, was played on Full Tilt. BTW, I played for a couple of years on Paradise Poker and hardly anything bizarre happened.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
clarkacal
• Posts: 401
Joined: Sep 22, 2010
January 17th, 2011 at 12:32:28 AM permalink
I don't play online poker anymore because I think it is not near as lucrative as a few years ago. Overall I netted a good sum but there were plenty of times I felt just like the poster and others on here who question the honesty of the cards being dealt. Several times I would quit for a month because I couldn't believe the bad runs I was on. One particularly bad run was when I lost 6 pair over pair preflop showdowns in a row.

It's been said before but a big reason player's perceive strange runs in the cards is the speed you are being dealt. Even playing one table online is at least twice as fast as a live table, and many people multitable, thus more chance of an indentifiable streak. The bad runs referred to are no doubt a small percentage of the total hands played but very memorable to the player as any streak in gambling is, especially if it's a bad one. My example of losing 6 pair over pairs in a row is a whopping 1 in 15625, but if you subtract the probability of the first instance (the streak has to start somewhere) and factor in the large number of times I or the other player was all in preflop with a pair over pair situation in my online poker career it makes perfect sense.
gog
• Posts: 105
Joined: Jan 7, 2011
January 17th, 2011 at 6:48:24 AM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

The last hand of online poker I ever played: \$0.50-\$1 no-limit hold'em. I picked up KK in 2nd seat and raised to 4BB. Two callers. Flop comes J63 rainbow. I make a pot-sized bet, one caller. I wonder if I'm in trouble, as this guy hasn't played many hands. Turn is a 7, I shrug and go all in for my last \$75. He calls, the river is a Q, and he shows Q7 offsuit and takes the pot. No hand preflop, no pair, no draw on the flop, one small pair, no kicker on the turn.

From the other guy's perspective:
You raised in early pos, I put you on ak/aq. Two low cards on flop means you likely missed, so I call your continuation bet hoping to bluff the turn. Instead I happen to pair up, so I call you down hoping that you are just trying to run me over.

Note that I'm not saying this is a good play, but to illustrate that a wrong read can lead to what appears to be ridiculous outcomes, which some people will translate into foul play. Were you a loose cannon? The early position raise is not respected nearly as much as in live games. I've played garbage hands all the way to the river to bluff, only to find my 'perceived weakness' of my opponent came from his flopping quads and not knowing how to value bet with it. In hindsight it would have looked retarded, but fact is the odds were against anyone having quads.

In my roughly 5 years of online playing, I've seen hundreds of proclamations that "Jokerstars is rigged", hundreds of accusations of me being a hacker, dozens of claims in 40487's tone that poker sites "rigged the game to encourage new players", and 5 specific requests for me to get cancer. I can also tell you I've had my share of bad beats, the only difference is I don't have a mental breakdown when it happens (though I'm sure my roommates were pretty annoyed the first ten or so times my aces got cracked and I started yelling). I'm not saying poker sites will never cheat for a profit, but a few bad sessions don't cut it, not by a long shot.
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 17th, 2011 at 7:56:32 AM permalink
Can anyone tell me whats strange about the flop cards? These hands were dealt in a row. And the player's chat has been edit out, with the description on
players actions. The wizard might be piss because I suck at editing. But I have remove alot of no meaning info. So maybe he'll apprecate that I've have took
notice, and tried to make improvements with posting hand history.

This is even the best example i have. but it was the first file.That was labled with the off center flops. So if you do see whats strange with the flop
cards, and think it's a fluke. I have more files then this, and if the page is messed up..sorry. Tried a number of things to correct the page..
ll Tilt Poker Game #17270485082: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:11:00 ET - 2010/01/02

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [2h Kd]
*** FLOP *** [3s Ad 5d]
*** TURN ** [3s Ad 5d] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [3s Ad 5d 8h] [4d]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270507616: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:12:25 ET - 2010/01/0
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [8c Kc]
*** FLOP *** [7h 4h Ts]
*** TURN *** [7h 4h Ts] [As]
*** RIVER *** [7h 4h Ts As] [Ah]

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [9s 6d]

*** FLOP *** [4h 8h Qs]
*** TURN *** [4h 8h Qs] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [4h 8h Qs 8s] [3h]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270555050: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:15:28 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [6c Kd]
*** FLOP *** [5d Ah 5c]
*** TURN *** [5d Ah 5c] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [5d Ah 5c Qd] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270574316: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:16:41 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Qh 5c]
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7s 2s]
*** TURN *** [Kc 7s 2s] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7s 2s Kh] [Ac

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270592320: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:17:50 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [3c 7d]
*** FLOP *** [5c 2h 8c]
*** TURN *** [5c 2h 8c] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [5c 2h 8c 3h] [9c]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270612202: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:19:06 ET - 2010/01/
*** HOLE CARDS **
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [6s 2d]
s*** FLOP *** [Qc 6h 2s]
*** TURN *** [Qc 6h 2s] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [Qc 6h 2s Kd] [Qs]
H8ONLINEPOKER2 checks

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270636088: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:20:36 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Jc 5s]
*** FLOP *** [Ks 7s 2d]
*** TURN *** [Ks 7s 2d] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 7s 2d 3d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN **

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270656513: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:21:53 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [2h 3c]
*** FLOP *** [4s Ts 3d]
*** TURN *** [4s Ts 3d] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [4s Ts 3d 6d] [9c]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270680515: T - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:23:23 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [7d Qd]
*** FLOP *** [2d Qc 3c]
*** TURN *** [2d Qc 3c] [Kd]
bobby298 checks
bobby298 shows [8h Ac]
H8ONLINEPOKER2 shows [7d Qd]
*** RIVER *** [2d Qc 3c Kd] [8c]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270696185: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:24:22 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [6s Qc]
*** FLOP *** [2d Ac 9d]
*** TURN *** [2d Ac 9d] [9s]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 610 |
Board: [2d Ac 9d 9s]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270706848: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:25:03 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [3d 5h]
*** FLOP *** [Ac Th 8h]
*** TURN *** [Ac Th 8h] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Ac Th 8h 7d] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270721022: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:25:55 ET - 2010/01/0
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [7s Ks]
*** FLOP *** [4s 7c Qs]
*** TURN *** [4s 7c Qs] [Kh]
H8ONLINEPOKER2 wins the pot (200)
*** SUMMARY ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270736687: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:26:54 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [3h 9h]
bobby298 shows [8s Tc]
Flickstick1984 shows [Kd Ac]
*** FLOP *** [8h 9d 5h]
*** TURN *** [8h 9d 5h] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [8h 9d 5h 2c] [7s]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270764270: 9 - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:28:36 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Kh 5c]
*** FLOP *** [5d 2c 3s]
*** SUMMARY ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270780193: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:29:35 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Js 2d]
*** FLOP *** [Jc 9s 5c]
cks
*** TURN *** [Jc 9s 5c] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 9s 5c 3d] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [Jc 9s 5c 3d 7d]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270795979:- 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:30:33 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [6d Ac]
*** FLOP *** [9h 4s 3d]
*** TURN *** [9h 4s 3d] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [9h 4s 3d Kh] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270809243: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:31:22 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [5d 3s]
*** FLOP *** [Kc Jh Js]
*** TURN *** [Kc Jh Js] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [Kc Jh Js 5c] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 360
Board: [Kc Jh Js 5c 5s]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270833162: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:32:50 ET - 2010/01/02
S*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [9c 4d]
*** FLOP *** [2d Td 5s]
*** TURN *** [2d Td 5s] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [2d Td 5s 7s] [Js]
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [2d Td 5s 7s J]
S

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270843083: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:33:26 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Qd 3h]
*** FLOP *** [9c Tc 5h]
*** TURN *** [9c Tc 5h] [Js]
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [9c Tc 5h Js]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270857997: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:34:21 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [5d Qh]
*** FLOP ** [7d Qs 6c]
H8ONLINEPOKER2 wins the pot (20)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20 | Rake 0
Board: [7d Qs 6c]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270868408: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:34:59 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [5h Qd]
*** FLOP *** [9c Ad 5c]
*** TURN *** [9c Ad 5c] [Ah]
*** RIVER *** [9c Ad 5c Ah] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Board: [9c Ad 5c Ah 6d]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270878520: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:35:36 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Ts Js
*** FLOP *** [Ac 2h 9h]
*** TURN *** [Ac 2h 9h] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [Ac 2h 9h 7s] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270909442: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:37:30 ET - 2010/01/0
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [3h 2h]
*** FLOP *** [Ah 3c 9c]
*** TURN *** [Ah 3c 9c] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 3c 9c 5h] [8h

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270931692: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:38:51 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [As 4c]
*** FLOP *** [3d 5s 2s]
*** TURN *** [3d 5s 2s]
*** RIVER *** [3d 5s 2s Td] [6s]

SAME HANDS IN A ROW ON NEXT PAGE.
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 17th, 2011 at 9:31:28 AM permalink
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 17th, 2011 at 10:22:15 AM permalink
Quote: 40487

Can anyone tell me whats strange about the flop cards? These hands were dealt in a row. And the player's chat has been edit out, with the description on
players actions. The wizard might be piss because I suck at editing. But I have remove alot of no meaning info. So maybe he'll apprecate that I've have took
notice, and tried to make improvements with posting hand history.

This isnt even the best example i have. but it was the first file.That was labled with the off center flops. So if you do see whats strange with the flop
cards, and think it's a fluke. I have more files then this, and if the page is messed up..sorry. Tried a number of things to correct the page..
ll Tilt Poker Game #17270485082: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:11:00 ET - 2010/01/02

This IS THE REST OF FLOPS DEALT IN A ROW. hAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO SPOT ANYTHING STRANGE WITH THE FLOP CARDS?

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270946880: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:39:46 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Qd 9d]
*** FLOP *** [6c 2c 5h]
*** TURN *** [6c 2c 5h] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [6c 2c 5h 9c] [8h]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270969577: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:41:09 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [9d 6h]
Uncalled bet of 80 returned to H8ONLINEPOKER2
H8ONLINEPOKER2 mucks
H8ONLINEPOKER2 wins the pot (30)
*** SUMMARY ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270977957: 9 - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:41:40 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [8c 6s]
*** FLOP *** [Ks 3s Kc]
H8ONLINEPOKER2 wins the pot (70)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 70 |
Board: [Ks 3s Kc]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270991792: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:42:30 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Kh Ks]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20 |

Full Tilt Poker Game #17270997969: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:42:52 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Ts 7d]
*** FLOP *** [2c 8s Qs]
*** TURN *** [2c 8s Qs] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [2c 8s Qs 7c] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

ull Tilt Poker Game #17271008508: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:43:27 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Qd Jd]
*** FLOP *** [Qh Tc Jh]
H8ONLINEPOKER2 shows [Qd Jd]
bobby298 shows [Td Jc]
*** TURN *** [Qh Tc Jh] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Tc Jh 3s] [9s]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271021988: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:44:15 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [7c 3h]
Zythor sits down
bobby298 raises to 20
halo31 folds
bobby298 wins the pot (25)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 25 |
Seat 1: H

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271056750: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:46:16 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [6d Ks]
*** FLOP *** [Ad Td 5d]
bobby298 wins the pot (125)
*** SUMMARY ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271078189: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:47:30 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [4h Kd]
*** FLOP *** [8h 3d 9d]
*** TURN *** [8h 3d 9d] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [8h 3d 9d 6c] [Jc]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271100212: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:48:45 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Js 3d]
*** FLOP *** [7h 4c 8h]
*** TURN *** [7h 4c 8h] [6h])
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 65 | Rake
Board: [7h 4c 8h 6h]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271114611: 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:49:35 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Ac Ks]
*** FLOP *** [4c 7d 3s]
*** TURN *** [4c 7d 3s] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [4c 7d 3s Qd]
Zythor wins the pot (120)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 120 | Rake 0
Board: [4c 7d 3s Qd Th]

Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 17th, 2011 at 10:25:33 AM permalink
The flops from later post still in a row;. still have 50 hands that belongs after the last one on this page. Easy to keep them in order
by the time given.

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271131639: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:50:34 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [3d 4s]
*** FLOP *** [Ah 5c 6s]
*** TURN *** [Ah 5c 6s] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 5c 6s Js] [3
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271143992: 9 - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:51:17 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [5d 7c]
*** FLOP *** [5c Ks 2s]
*** TURN *** [5c Ks 2s] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [5c Ks 2s 9s] [8d]
**

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271162054: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:52:19 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [3c 2d]
*** FLOP *** [3d 9d Ts]
*** TURN *** [3d 9d Ts] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [3d 9d Ts Ac] [6s]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271171842: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:52:53 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [2d 4h]
*** FLOP *** [Kc 3c 2h]
*** TURN *** [Kc 3c 2h] [Qd]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271182078: T - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:53:28 ET - 2010/01/02
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [3c 8h]
*** FLOP *** [2c 8c Ac]
*** TURN *** [2c 8c Ac] [Qc]
willsb94 wins the pot (560)
*** SUMMARY ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271196037: T - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:54:17 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [5c 2d]
*** FLOP *** [Th Kh Js]
*** TURN *** [Th Kh Js]
*** RIVER *** [Th Kh Js Td] [Jd]
*** SUMMARY ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271210100: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:55:07 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [6s 7h]
*** FLOP *** [Jh Td 4c]
*** TURN *** [Jh Td 4c] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [Jh Td 4c 6d] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN **

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271242570: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:57:28 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [3h 7c]
*** FLOP *** [9d Kc 7h]
*** TURN *** [9d Kc 7h] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [9d Kc 7h Jd] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271257038: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:58:30 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [3d 4s]
*** FLOP *** [6c 4d 7d]
*** TURN *** [6c 4d 7d] [8s]
*** RIVER ** [6c 4d 7d 8s] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271275440: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:59:48 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [As 6s]
*** FLOP *** [3d 6d Ad]
H8ONLINEPOKER2 wins the pot (30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 30 |

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271285053: T - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:00:27 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
*** FLOP *** [7h 3h 5d]
*** TURN *** [7h 3h 5d] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [7h 3h 5d 6h] [5s]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271307988: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:01:52 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Qc 5s]
*** FLOP *** [6h 2d Kh]
*** TURN *** [6h 2d Kh] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [6h 2d Kh 9c] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271318055: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:02:26 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [2h 5h]
*** FLOP *** [8c 3c 7s]
*** TURN ** [8c 3c 7s] [As]
*** RIVER *** [8c 3c 7s As] [Ks]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271328960: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:03:04 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Qs Qh]
*** SUMMARY ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271338135: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:03:35 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Jh Tc]
*** FLOP *** [8c Qd Ac]
*** TURN *** [8c Qd Ac] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [8c Qd Ac 4c] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Board: [8c Qd Ac 4c 4d]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271352366: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:04:23 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [3c 8h]
*** FLOP *** [6d Ac Qh]
*** SUMMARY ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271367343: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:05:14 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [2d 3h]
*** FLOP *** [Tc 5c 4s]
*** TURN *** [Tc 5c 4s] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 5c 4s 7s] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271387299: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:06:21 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [2c 5s]
*** FLOP *** [5h 9h 6d]
*** TURN *** [5h 9h 6d] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [5h 9h 6d 4h] [Kc]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271398182: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:06:58 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [5c Tc]
*** FLOP *** [3h 7s 7h]
*** TURN *** [3h 7s 7h] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [3h 7s 7h 8s] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
\ Sevens and Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [3h 7s 7h 8s 3c]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271419272: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:08:09 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Qc Qs]
*** FLOP *** [Kc Jc 9s]
*** TURN *** [Kc Jc 9s] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [Kc Jc 9s 4c] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,390 | Ra
Board: [Kc Jc 9s 4c 6c]

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271438855: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:09:14 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Qd 9d]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 25 |

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271446979: - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:09:42 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Qc 2h]
*** FLOP *** [Ad Qd 8s]
*** TURN *** [Ad Qd 8s] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [Ad Qd 8s 3h] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Full Tilt Poker Game #17271466739: T - 5/10 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:10:48 ET - 2010/01/02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to H8ONLINEPOKER2 [Ac Kc]
*** FLOP *** [Kh 6c 7s]
*** TURN *** [Kh 6c 7s] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 6c 7s 5h] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
*** SUMMARY ***
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
miplet
• Posts: 2117
Joined: Dec 1, 2009
January 17th, 2011 at 10:42:07 AM permalink
I copied your first "blob" aka hand history and put on one of my websites. http://pbjguild.com/handhist.txt I could only parse out 98 starting hands and they looked normal to me. The board cards were too hard to parse. I could do it easier with the full hand history. Email them to bobby at miplet.net if you want me to parse them for you.
“Man Babes” #AxelFabulous
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 17th, 2011 at 10:47:42 AM permalink
first which
' hand blob
' are you speaking off?
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
mkl654321
• Posts: 3412
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
January 17th, 2011 at 12:56:08 PM permalink
Quote: gog

You raised in early pos, I put you on ak/aq. Two low cards on flop means you likely missed, so I call your continuation bet hoping to bluff the turn. Instead I happen to pair up, so I call you down hoping that you are just trying to run me over.

This was a player who, as I said, hadn't played very many hands. Now, suddenly he calls a preflop raise with Q7o? He and I had been at the table together for close to an hour, and I had played relatively few hands myself, so he had no reason to expect me to be jerking around with my preflop raise. He also called off almost \$100 in toto, first with nothing at all, then with second pair, weak kicker. I agree that this could be an example of someone making a strong read and then sticking with it, but it would have been a terrible play given the stack sizes.

I do agree that his postflop action is marginally plausible, but his preflop call? Naah. Not unless he had sudden "inspiration".
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
DorothyGale
• Posts: 639
Joined: Nov 23, 2009
January 17th, 2011 at 1:17:34 PM permalink
Here are this player's statistics for online play -- I don't find the current play listed:

CLICK ME

--Dorothy
"Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness!"
mkl654321
• Posts: 3412
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
January 17th, 2011 at 1:30:21 PM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale

Here are this player's statistics for online play -- I don't find the current play listed:

CLICK ME

--Dorothy

deleted
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 17th, 2011 at 4:25:42 PM permalink
for which site do have hands for..carbon poker, pokerstars, fultilt, doyales room ,pacific poker, sportsbook, bodog, titain, or ESPN?
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
DorothyGale
• Posts: 639
Joined: Nov 23, 2009
January 17th, 2011 at 5:35:44 PM permalink
Quote: 40487

for which site do have hands for...

I need your question asked in a way that is understandable to someone with uncommonly good abilities at deciphering poorly written English ...
"Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness!"
mkl654321
• Posts: 3412
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
January 17th, 2011 at 7:24:51 PM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale

I need your question asked in a way that is understandable to someone with uncommonly good abilities at deciphering poorly written English ...

I'd volunteer my skills, but I already have 50 papers to grade.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 17th, 2011 at 7:54:21 PM permalink
-- I don't find the current play listed:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The statement of not finding play listed. Was thinking you might have some hand history files, or ( play listed) it could be called. And if it was from me
then you might be looking in the wrong place. I have played cards on many online sites.
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
P90
• Posts: 1703
Joined: Jan 8, 2011
January 17th, 2011 at 10:18:28 PM permalink
The robbery in online poker is taking a rake comparable to B&M casinos, while providing a service that costs almost nothing. This is what they do and how they get rich.

The worst scam known is when one player was allowed to see the cards through using a special backdoor client. But even then the machine wasn't cherry-picking cards. It's just not worth it, too difficult, too unreliable.
Resist ANFO Boston PRISM Stormfront IRA Freedom CIA Obama
40487
• Posts: 134
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
January 18th, 2011 at 1:28:16 AM permalink
Agreed. How can online poker take a easy game. With just 52 cards that has 4 different suits that has only 13 cards in each suit.
Poker has been played for hundreds of years, and for a game to last this long. And with establish odds that has stood the time.
But now they mysteriously changes online to a different mind ruler of odds. That will not give own views of poker probabilities
Ask the odds on any small rank. Try asking the odds of getting a pocket pair in 100 hands. Just to make sure the software is being
fair. And you wont get a answer from them. And your not asking how many times you will win with a pair in 100 hands.
just the poker average of 1 pair in 100 hands. And thats really the only protection we should be demanding. We should be given
their own prediction of odds on dealt ranks in a number of hands. Whats so hard about that it was good enough for the old west.
Old west poker odds is good enough for Vegas. Casinos have no problem giving you numbers on the odds on games they provide.
They give odds in horse racing, in basketball, football, soccer, baseball, college sports, nascar races, boxing, MMA,
grey hound racing, bowling , and giving odds when humans are involved is more in your favorite then house. Reason is that odds on
sporting events are given out on the belief that the whole team well play the entire game. Imagine bookies give odds on a football game.
Lets say the Detroit Lions against the New Orleans saints. Of course odds will favor the saints heavily. And not all but a big reason is of thr
saints quterback Brees. Now if Brees was hurt in the first minute of the game. Now if the bookies knew Brees woulldn't play in the game
odds before the game wouldn't been in a huge favorite. Thats the risk sport bookies take. And i know some ganblers who picks teams that are
large favorites to win, and that reason is one player. And that one player will take the most hits, and falls and carry the load thru the game.
Somethimes it's worth a gamble to bet on sports odds that are given for just the performance of one player.

And if they can give odds on sports that players can get hurt playing. Online poker should be able to provide info on their prediction of odds
A playing card never gets hurt and cant perform no more thru the tournament. Every heard a anouncement that the queen of hearts is pregent
and won't be playing tonight.
They can be responseable and give out odds, and if their worried of being held to it. Then get out of the game your suppose to be held to
it not. A piece of paper stating that 3 months ago. Software was running correct. What good is that, your problem isn't from three months
ago. And thats is where they will end chat. But if you have what all other gambling source provides in odds.
Then the issue can be resolved without one side having all the leverage. and will without having to publishes odds.

And these using software to shuffle cards. Is more for them then for players. A computer deals the cards. Its a machine it doesn't care
or even aware that is dealing cards for a game. I had a phone back in the technologie days of 2002, and it was more like live table games
then their million dollar dealing machine they have. Hell they made enough money by now to get a real human on cam and deal me my cards..
Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
P90
• Posts: 1703
Joined: Jan 8, 2011
January 18th, 2011 at 4:42:32 AM permalink
The probability of being dealt a pocket pair, other hands not considered, is 3/51. This is one pocket pair in 17 hands on the average.

In 100 hands, as independent events, the probability of getting at least 1 pocket pair is 1-((1-(3/51))^100)=99.767%. It would take 430 trials on the average to have 100 hands without a single pair.

Tech support guys may well not know these probabilities off hand. They aren't programmed into the RNG. This job doesn't necessarily attract the most educated people, but more importantly, it's not a rewarding enough job to reliably expect them doing the above calculation. Poker sites don't write their qRNG themselves, even when they actually write their own software, they use a library, which can range from basic C++ stdlib.h with srand()/rand() to custom third-party libraries that can just deal out the cards.

There is no use in rigging card dealing qRNG, unless the casino is using a shill. And even then it would be the shill who gets the bullets, not other players who get stiffs. If I were rigging a qRNG, if anything, I would rig it to produce better hole cards, to make players feel just an inch away from winning.

Poker is a game of skill more than chance. You could make a set of 52*51=2652 hands (or a smaller subset) to be dealt to everyone, semi-randomly varying only the order of dealing, and the game wouldn't change all too much. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if someday some tournament actually does something of the kind, seeing how they do it in Bridge, though I wouldn't hold my breath.
Resist ANFO Boston PRISM Stormfront IRA Freedom CIA Obama