Are we allowed to enlist people to help here?
Wondering if recruiting people to help (paid) is allowed here or not?
Quote: OnceDearI don't know the answer to that, but you make me wonder why you need help? Is it to utilise more user ID's to squeeze out bonuses. That covers the second question..... Does beating the casinos depend on bonuses?
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I'll answer that once I know if I'm allowed to I guess!
Quote: DOBSSNQuote: OnceDearI don't know the answer to that, but you make me wonder why you need help? Is it to utilise more user ID's to squeeze out bonuses. That covers the second question..... Does beating the casinos depend on bonuses?
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I'll answer that once I know if I'm allowed to I guess!
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Generally the answer is ‘yes’. Just if you are trying to ‘sell’ a product you need management approval.
There have been many members who through this site have met other members and have done business together.
If it’s ‘buy DOBSSN’s software to beat online roulette’ that’s probably a no go. If it is ‘I can bankroll you to take advantage of bonuses/free play and we can split the profit’ that’s probably ok.
You have to give a general idea and maybe then you’d get a firm answer from one of the moderators.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DOBSSNQuote: OnceDearI don't know the answer to that, but you make me wonder why you need help? Is it to utilise more user ID's to squeeze out bonuses. That covers the second question..... Does beating the casinos depend on bonuses?
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I'll answer that once I know if I'm allowed to I guess!
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Generally the answer is ‘yes’. Just if you are trying to ‘sell’ a product you need management approval.
There have been many members who through this site have met other members and have done business together.
If it’s ‘buy DOBSSN’s software to beat online roulette’ that’s probably a no go. If it is ‘I can bankroll you to take advantage of bonuses/free play and we can split the profit’ that’s probably ok.
You have to give a general idea and maybe then you’d get a firm answer from one of the moderators.
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Fair enough. It's not selling anything, the opposite infact I'm looking to pay people.
I just need a few trustworthy people in the big gambling countries, UK, US and Canada since I want to expand my operations.
Quote: DOBSSNI can beat some online casinos consistently.
Wondering if recruiting people to help (paid) is allowed here or not?
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I'm hoping Wizard will comment.
That said, if the play is legal and you pay the crew as agreed, it's hard for me to see a problem.
I have done work for money (and sometimes for free or trade when working for APs) but always using the PM system and then switching to email or other messaging systems. Privacy matters.
Quote: gordonm888For various reasons, it often makes sense to ask people to contact you through the private message system and to conduct your conversations that way.
I have done work for money (and sometimes for free or trade when working for APs) but always using the PM system and then switching to email or other messaging systems. Privacy matters.
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Of course. But I think the OP, as basically a totally unknown entity, should NOT be encouraged to send out a slew of unsolicited PM’s. I recommend giving a general concept of what he is planning, then members can PM HIM if they are interested.
Quote: DOBSSNHello, nice to be here, have been reading a few threads and thought I'd sign up to discuss online advantage play.
I've been doing it for about two years now and my stats are:
Total in: ~$375k
Total out: ~$750k
It would be more, but I have 4 kids and another job, also I used to be a compulsive gambler and the first 6 months I was just losing most of my winnings right back. Now it is just a job to me.
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He sounds like a serious and capable guy, but I must be interpreting his post incorrectly. It seems like he is claiming a 200% ROI. Maybe he is quoting total amounts deposited and withdrawn, not coin in / coin out.
I have no interest in contacting DOBSSN. I have plenty of opportunities already. I also have no interest in solving the trust issues and tax issues involved in partnerships, especially with a stranger. I don't even want to do it with people I have known for years and already trust.
Since I am a lone wolf, I am annoyed whenever people propose strip mining casinos on an industrial scale. This causes promotions to be reduced, restricted, or eliminated for everyone when the practice is inevitably detected. I think the best approach for me is to behave in such a way as to make the casinos think I am a good customer and then milk the offers for as long as possible. Therefore, I selfishly hope that DOBSSN and crew never show up at the online casinos that I frequent.
My own experience is that I am able to get more promo dollars from casinos the longer I have been a customer. The problem is that it is harder and less efficient to convert these promo dollars to withdrawable cash every month. One online casino just updated their list of games that are excluded from playing through promo dollars. There are eighty games on the list! The list keeps growing. I imagine the casinos see a pattern of dozens of directed accounts with the same MO: A person signs up for the max bonus and then plays it through on the same game and withdraws the winnings as soon as possible. So that particular play-through game gets blacklisted and the bonus hustlers move to the next best game available. Eventually, all the decent play-through games are identified and APing becomes tougher for everyone.
Quote: DOBSSNI can beat some online casinos consistently.
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My position is you can invite people to private message you.
I assume that you are looking for what I call gnomes, which are people who let you play under their identity for some split of the winnings. Let the record show that I don't know you and absolutely no endorsement is given. As a general rule, I would be wary of who you give your personal information to.
Quote: MentalThe OP started a thread a month ago that got hijacked by the usual suspects.
Quote: DOBSSNHello, nice to be here, have been reading a few threads and thought I'd sign up to discuss online advantage play.
I've been doing it for about two years now and my stats are:
Total in: ~$375k
Total out: ~$750k
It would be more, but I have 4 kids and another job, also I used to be a compulsive gambler and the first 6 months I was just losing most of my winnings right back. Now it is just a job to me.
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He sounds like a serious and capable guy, but I must be interpreting his post incorrectly. It seems like he is claiming a 200% ROI. Maybe he is quoting total amounts deposited and withdrawn, not coin in / coin out.
I have no interest in contacting DOBSSN. I have plenty of opportunities already. I also have no interest in solving the trust issues and tax issues involved in partnerships, especially with a stranger. I don't even want to do it with people I have known for years and already trust.
Since I am a lone wolf, I am annoyed whenever people propose strip mining casinos on an industrial scale. This causes promotions to be reduced, restricted, or eliminated for everyone when the practice is inevitably detected. I think the best approach for me is to behave in such a way as to make the casinos think I am a good customer and then milk the offers for as long as possible. Therefore, I selfishly hope that DOBSSN and crew never show up at the online casinos that I frequent.
My own experience is that I am able to get more promo dollars from casinos the longer I have been a customer. The problem is that it is harder and less efficient to convert these promo dollars to withdrawable cash every month. One online casino just updated their list of games that are excluded from playing through promo dollars. There are eighty games on the list! The list keeps growing. I imagine the casinos see a pattern of dozens of directed accounts with the same MO: A person signs up for the max bonus and then plays it through on the same game and withdraws the winnings as soon as possible. So that particular play-through game gets blacklisted and the bonus hustlers move to the next best game available. Eventually, all the decent play-through games are identified and APing becomes tougher for everyone.
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Hello, I agree with everything you've stated, I have no interest in ruining anything for anyone. That is half the reason I am looking to recruit help, to avoid detection, not to increase profit. Hope this eases your concern a bit.
Quote: WizardQuote: DOBSSNI can beat some online casinos consistently.
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My position is you can invite people to private message you.
I assume that you are looking for what I call gnomes, which are people who let you play under their identity for some split of the winnings. Let the record show that I don't know you and absolutely no endorsement is given. As a general rule, I would be wary of who you give your personal information to.
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Thank you.
I am not looking to gnome or use people's identities or recruit them and split winnings, although I know that would be a fair assumption.
I am primarily looking to decrease the chance of my system being detected by expanding it from my home country to the other big markets.
For this I need a trusted person on the ground in those countries, NOT to provide ID or bank accounts or money mule or anything illegal like that.
Mainly looking for UK/US and Canada, probably would only be about 2 hours work a month (if that) and would pay well.
If anyone is keen then please PM me and let me know your country.
Thanks
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Yeah the sign up form said don't use identifiable material like your DOB or SSN so I thought I'd be a smartass and use both :)
Quote: AxelWolfI noticed DOB SSN
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I JUST saw this thread one minute ago and I also already realized that his Username is questionable at best. 🥴
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I JUST saw this thread one minute ago and I also already realized that his Username is questionable at best. 🥴
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eh, it was a joke, see the post above this one.
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Yeah the sign up form said don't use identifiable material like your DOB or SSN so I thought I'd be a smartass and use both :)
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Well done you, omitting the "your".
;)
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: gordonm888For various reasons, it often makes sense to ask people to contact you through the private message system and to conduct your conversations that way.
I have done work for money (and sometimes for free or trade when working for APs) but always using the PM system and then switching to email or other messaging systems. Privacy matters.
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Of course. But I think the OP, as basically a totally unknown entity, should NOT be encouraged to send out a slew of unsolicited PM’s. I recommend giving a general concept of what he is planning, then members can PM HIM if they are interested.
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Which is exactly what I said. 'ask people to contact you through the private message system.'
. Correct. I am agreeing with you, while also ADDING that he not send emails.Quote: gordonm888Quote: SOOPOOQuote: gordonm888For various reasons, it often makes sense to ask people to contact you through the private message system and to conduct your conversations that way.
I have done work for money (and sometimes for free or trade when working for APs) but always using the PM system and then switching to email or other messaging systems. Privacy matters.
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Of course. But I think the OP, as basically a totally unknown entity, should NOT be encouraged to send out a slew of unsolicited PM’s. I recommend giving a general concept of what he is planning, then members can PM HIM if they are interested.
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Which is exactly what I said. 'ask people to contact you through the private message system.'
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I think OP has had enough opportunity to give a better idea of what he is planning, but chooses not to. I doubt he will get anyone to bite.
Quote: SOOPOO. Correct. I am agreeing with you, while also ADDING that he not send emails.Quote: gordonm888
Which is exactly what I said. 'ask people to contact you through the private message system.'
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I think OP has had enough opportunity to give a better idea of what he is planning, but chooses not to. I doubt he will get anyone to bite.
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Ambiguous:
"'ask people to contact you through the private message system.'"
use the message system to ask people
or
ask people to use the message system
Anyhow, I bit and approached him. I doubt I'll be the last.
I'm not telling you what he said.
Quote: SOOPOO. Correct. I am agreeing with you, while also ADDING that he not send emails.Quote: gordonm888Quote: SOOPOOQuote: gordonm888For various reasons, it often makes sense to ask people to contact you through the private message system and to conduct your conversations that way.
I have done work for money (and sometimes for free or trade when working for APs) but always using the PM system and then switching to email or other messaging systems. Privacy matters.
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Of course. But I think the OP, as basically a totally unknown entity, should NOT be encouraged to send out a slew of unsolicited PM’s. I recommend giving a general concept of what he is planning, then members can PM HIM if they are interested.
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Which is exactly what I said. 'ask people to contact you through the private message system.'
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I think OP has had enough opportunity to give a better idea of what he is planning, but chooses not to. I doubt he will get anyone to bite.
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Well, no one asked?
I also don't know if the wizard wants me posting info like that in the clear.
Quote: DOBSSNQuote: SOOPOO. Correct. I am agreeing with you, while also ADDING that he not send emails.Quote: gordonm888Quote: SOOPOOQuote: gordonm888For various reasons, it often makes sense to ask people to contact you through the private message system and to conduct your conversations that way.
I have done work for money (and sometimes for free or trade when working for APs) but always using the PM system and then switching to email or other messaging systems. Privacy matters.
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Of course. But I think the OP, as basically a totally unknown entity, should NOT be encouraged to send out a slew of unsolicited PM’s. I recommend giving a general concept of what he is planning, then members can PM HIM if they are interested.
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Which is exactly what I said. 'ask people to contact you through the private message system.'
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I think OP has had enough opportunity to give a better idea of what he is planning, but chooses not to. I doubt he will get anyone to bite.
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Well, no one asked?
I also don't know if the wizard wants me posting info like that in the clear.
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You absolutely can post ‘info like that’. (As long as what you are proposing isn’t illegal)
Examples….
Anyway, good luck. I hope you find some members and can end up in a mutually beneficial arrangement.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DOBSSNQuote: SOOPOO. Correct. I am agreeing with you, while also ADDING that he not send emails.Quote: gordonm888Quote: SOOPOOQuote: gordonm888For various reasons, it often makes sense to ask people to contact you through the private message system and to conduct your conversations that way.
I have done work for money (and sometimes for free or trade when working for APs) but always using the PM system and then switching to email or other messaging systems. Privacy matters.
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Of course. But I think the OP, as basically a totally unknown entity, should NOT be encouraged to send out a slew of unsolicited PM’s. I recommend giving a general concept of what he is planning, then members can PM HIM if they are interested.
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Which is exactly what I said. 'ask people to contact you through the private message system.'
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I think OP has had enough opportunity to give a better idea of what he is planning, but chooses not to. I doubt he will get anyone to bite.
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Well, no one asked?
I also don't know if the wizard wants me posting info like that in the clear.
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You absolutely can post ‘info like that’. (As long as what you are proposing isn’t illegal)
Examples….
Anyway, good luck. I hope you find some members and can end up in a mutually beneficial arrangement.
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I don't know, I'll wait to see what he says because so far he only said "My position is you can invite people to private message you." Which indicates to me he may not want info posted in public.
I worked out a way to beat a certain providers games, I'm not going to go into how, there's absolutely no reason for me to and every reason not to. If/when it gets found out I'll release a video on it and post here, but until then I'm going to make hay while the sun shines.
As soon as I suspected I was onto something I stopped using my real account and started looking into generating ID's; I knew that one player constantly winning was going to look suspicious.
I won't go into my workflow because any casino that found this could use it , but I knew I didn't want to steal anyone's ID, I've always had the motto "don't scam anyone who doesn't deserve it" so all my ID's were completely 100% fabricated.
Lately I've come to suspect that if I continue as I am then they may get suspicious of so many players from my fairly small country winning so often and so I'm trying to branch out to the other large markets.
This is where I am looking for assistance; although I can easily generate KYC material for my own country I don't have access to other countries materials, and I don't want to use leaked or stolen data for the reasons stated above.
So I am looking for people from large English speaking gambling markets (us,UK,can etc) to send me bank statement PDF's each month from the large banks in their countries.
I know the first thing you are thinking is I'm just going to steal your ID so to allay that fear you can even edit out all personal information, I will be changing it all anyway.
In addition I'm also looking for reliable people to buy burner SIM's for SMS verification.
I would pay well for honest and reliable assistance in this- if anyone's got any Q's let me know, and if you want to help just drop me a PM.
Don't bother if you're going to try and send fake/templates/stolen documents or utilize an online SMS service, you'll just waste both our time.
Quote: DOBSSNQuote: NathanQuote: AxelWolfI noticed DOB SSN
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I JUST saw this thread one minute ago and I also already realized that his Username is questionable at best. 🥴
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eh, it was a joke, see the post above this one.
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Hmm. I didn't see the post above me before I responded. 🤔💡Your joke was actually REALLY clever. 😀
Quote: DOBSSNOk I guess I'll just disclose what I'm willing to and if it's too much info I'll take my lumps.
I worked out a way to beat a certain providers games, I'm not going to go into how, there's absolutely no reason for me to and every reason not to. If/when it gets found out I'll release a video on it and post here, but until then I'm going to make hay while the sun shines.
As soon as I suspected I was onto something I stopped using my real account and started looking into generating ID's; I knew that one player constantly winning was going to look suspicious.
I won't go into my workflow because any casino that found this could use it , but I knew I didn't want to steal anyone's ID, I've always had the motto "don't scam anyone who doesn't deserve it" so all my ID's were completely 100% fabricated.
Lately I've come to suspect that if I continue as I am then they may get suspicious of so many players from my fairly small country winning so often and so I'm trying to branch out to the other large markets.
This is where I am looking for assistance; although I can easily generate KYC material for my own country I don't have access to other countries materials, and I don't want to use leaked or stolen data for the reasons stated above.
So I am looking for people from large English speaking gambling markets (us,UK,can etc) to send me bank statement PDF's each month from the large banks in their countries.
I know the first thing you are thinking is I'm just going to steal your ID so to allay that fear you can even edit out all personal information, I will be changing it all anyway.
In addition I'm also looking for reliable people to buy burner SIM's for SMS verification.
I would pay well for honest and reliable assistance in this- if anyone's got any Q's let me know, and if you want to help just drop me a PM.
Don't bother if you're going to try and send fake/templates/stolen documents or utilize an online SMS service, you'll just waste both our time.
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You just want a copy of someone’s bank statement, with name, SSN, address, account #, etc, redacted?
Meaning you want the template each ‘major’ bank uses…?
If ALL identifying info is redacted, why do you need it sent to you more than once? Monthly?
I’m not tech savvy. Explain what ‘a burner SIM for SMS verification’ means and what it does for you.
I’ll give you another option here. The Wiz has participated in certain opportunities (let’s say worth $1000, for example) where he has just paid a ‘finders fee’ (let’s say $400) to the guy who alerted him.
You can (safely) try contacting Wizard and give him the details. He can analyze them and see if he agrees that
1. It is not illegal
2. It is a successful method to win money from the casinos.
3. He can make you an offer to share any profits he could make. HE WOULD NOT DIVULGE ANYTHING WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION.
>You just want a copy of someone’s bank statement, with name, SSN, address, account #, etc, redacted?
Many statements, many banks- and I personally don't care if nothing is redacted, but assume most people are going to want to.
>Meaning you want the template each ‘major’ bank uses…?
Templates are only good for so long, bank's change their layout occasionally, some each month.
>If ALL identifying info is redacted, why do you need it sent to you more than once? Monthly?
As above but also it looks odd if there's the same transactions on multiple people's statements, so some variety is needed.
You're right in that I could conceivably just work from one and make templates and that would probably be 'good enough'.
>I’m not tech savvy. Explain what ‘a burner SIM for SMS verification’ means and what it does for you.
Casinos use phone numbers to identify users and also sometimes they send a one time code as verification to the number upon sign up, so it would involve someone buying a sim card (which I believe you can do anonymously), putting it in a phone, receiving a code, sending me the code and then putting the sim in a drawer somewhere to probably never be used again.
>I’ll give you another option here. The Wiz has participated in certain opportunities (let’s say worth $1000, for example) where he has just paid a ‘finders fee’ (let’s say $400) to the guy who alerted him.
You can (safely) try contacting Wizard and give him the details. He can analyze them and see if he agrees that
1. It is not illegal
2. It is a successful method to win money from the casinos.
3. He can make you an offer to share any profits he could make. HE WOULD NOT DIVULGE ANYTHING WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION.
1. I'm happy to PM him some details on the legality of it if he has questions but it will largely just be my word
2. It is, there's no question
3. This doesn't make any sense to me; if you had a way to pull money out of ATM's would you agree to tell someone else how to do it for 40 cents on the dollar?
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3. This doesn't make any sense to me; if you had a way to pull money out of ATM's would you agree to tell someone else how to do it for 40 cents on the dollar?
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I believe that point was intended to convey Wizard's deep commitment to privacy and secrecy.
(All the mods and admins are trustworthy, Wizard just has the longest track record and most recognition.)
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3. This doesn't make any sense to me; if you had a way to pull money out of ATM's would you agree to tell someone else how to do it for 40 cents on the dollar?
If you had ‘a way to pull money out of ATMs’ you wouldn’t be on this website asking for mildly convoluted help!
I’m not sure how/what you are doing. My 40% was just a hypothetical.
But if this is safe/easy/legal someone like the Wiz, if he’d vouch for your method, might be able to get you a large number of willing participants. Multiply that 40% by (pick a number) and it would be quite successful for you.
If you want to share any details with me confidentially, you can PM me. The reasons I’ve mentioned the Wizard and not myself…
1. He is better at math than I am and in case your plan is somewhat complex he could figure it out better than I could.
2. He is a known commodity with a decades long reputation. I’m just a guy who a bunch of present members could vouch for, but you don’t really know them.
3. He would have a far larger cadre of potential compadres interested if the opportunity than I would.
4. He also might have suggestions on how to improve on what you are doing, or alternatives on how to get the help you are asking for.
Even if people could be trusted to pay a portion out the increase in risk of discovery goes up exponentially with each person.
Back to the original topic though, if I could find reliable people to help with the statements I would make it well worth their time.
Quote: DOBSSNI'm not going to disclose the technique. Only way that would ever happen would be if I was dying or someone offered a million bucks up front.
Even if people could be trusted to pay a portion out the increase in risk of discovery goes up exponentially with each person.
Back to the original topic though, if I could find reliable people to help with the statements I would make it well worth their time.
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I just googled ‘bank statement templates’ and it seems you can easily get them for major banks for free. Remind me why you want to pay someone to get you something that is easily gotten for free?
Okay, this all makes more sense to me now. Perhaps I was rude to assume that you were looking for gnomes to exploit promos. I also assumed that you were going to have to disclose your secrets to armies of unvetted gnomes. I was trying to understand why that would not lead to a rapid spread of your secrets to all corners of the AP community.Quote: DOBSSNOk I guess I'll just disclose what I'm willing to and if it's too much info I'll take my lumps.
I worked out a way to beat a certain providers games, I'm not going to go into how, there's absolutely no reason for me to and every reason not to. If/when it gets found out I'll release a video on it and post here, but until then I'm going to make hay while the sun shines.
As soon as I suspected I was onto something I stopped using my real account and started looking into generating ID's; I knew that one player constantly winning was going to look suspicious.
I won't go into my workflow because any casino that found this could use it , but I knew I didn't want to steal anyone's ID, I've always had the motto "don't scam anyone who doesn't deserve it" so all my ID's were completely 100% fabricated.
Lately I've come to suspect that if I continue as I am then they may get suspicious of so many players from my fairly small country winning so often and so I'm trying to branch out to the other large markets.
This is where I am looking for assistance; although I can easily generate KYC material for my own country I don't have access to other countries materials, and I don't want to use leaked or stolen data for the reasons stated above.
So I am looking for people from large English speaking gambling markets (us,UK,can etc) to send me bank statement PDF's each month from the large banks in their countries.
I know the first thing you are thinking is I'm just going to steal your ID so to allay that fear you can even edit out all personal information, I will be changing it all anyway.
In addition I'm also looking for reliable people to buy burner SIM's for SMS verification.
I would pay well for honest and reliable assistance in this- if anyone's got any Q's let me know, and if you want to help just drop me a PM.
Don't bother if you're going to try and send fake/templates/stolen documents or utilize an online SMS service, you'll just waste both our time.
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I also wrongly assumed that some of the actual play would be at US casinos. That raises a lot of legal issues. Now, I am guessing that you will be playing from outside of the US on non-US sites using accounts created with KYC details from real people. I don't know the legal implications for doing that from your location. I hope you have researched them.
I find that I get so much cover play at the casinos that I play at, that playing one beatable game is not going to draw much attention. Very many of the promos require that I play slot games from a certain manufacturer, or table games, or live dealer games. Many of these +EV or very close. If you can do high volume cover play at or near +EV, you would be unlikely to raise any alarms at the site even if you have a high RTP at one game. Do you have an estimate of the variance of the game you are targeting? How much profit can you extract before you are winning much more than can be accounted for by luck? Are you going to be a whale at some tiny site? That may earn your play extra scrutiny.
I am not going to get involved, but I wish you luck. Looking forward to your tell-all book.
I don't know if this is all legitimate or not. Given my experience online and understanding of Advantage Play, I am leaning towards there being a legitimate AP reason he needs or wants this stuff.Quote: MentalOkay, this all makes more sense to me now. Perhaps I was rude to assume that you were looking for gnomes to exploit promos. I also assumed that you were going to have to disclose your secrets to armies of unvetted gnomes. I was trying to understand why that would not lead to a rapid spread of your secrets to all corners of the AP community.Quote: DOBSSNOk I guess I'll just disclose what I'm willing to and if it's too much info I'll take my lumps.
I worked out a way to beat a certain providers games, I'm not going to go into how, there's absolutely no reason for me to and every reason not to. If/when it gets found out I'll release a video on it and post here, but until then I'm going to make hay while the sun shines.
As soon as I suspected I was onto something I stopped using my real account and started looking into generating ID's; I knew that one player constantly winning was going to look suspicious.
I won't go into my workflow because any casino that found this could use it , but I knew I didn't want to steal anyone's ID, I've always had the motto "don't scam anyone who doesn't deserve it" so all my ID's were completely 100% fabricated.
Lately I've come to suspect that if I continue as I am then they may get suspicious of so many players from my fairly small country winning so often and so I'm trying to branch out to the other large markets.
This is where I am looking for assistance; although I can easily generate KYC material for my own country I don't have access to other countries materials, and I don't want to use leaked or stolen data for the reasons stated above.
So I am looking for people from large English speaking gambling markets (us,UK,can etc) to send me bank statement PDF's each month from the large banks in their countries.
I know the first thing you are thinking is I'm just going to steal your ID so to allay that fear you can even edit out all personal information, I will be changing it all anyway.
In addition I'm also looking for reliable people to buy burner SIM's for SMS verification.
I would pay well for honest and reliable assistance in this- if anyone's got any Q's let me know, and if you want to help just drop me a PM.
Don't bother if you're going to try and send fake/templates/stolen documents or utilize an online SMS service, you'll just waste both our time.
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I also wrongly assumed that some of the actual play would be at US casinos. That raises a lot of legal issues. Now, I am guessing that you will be playing from outside of the US on non-US sites using accounts created with KYC details from real people. I don't know the legal implications for doing that from your location. I hope you have researched them.
I find that I get so much cover play at the casinos that I play at, that playing one beatable game is not going to draw much attention. Very many of the promos require that I play slot games from a certain manufacturer, or table games, or live dealer games. Many of these +EV or very close. If you can do high volume cover play at or near +EV, you would be unlikely to raise any alarms at the site even if you have a high RTP at one game. Do you have an estimate of the variance of the game you are targeting? How much profit can you extract before you are winning much more than can be accounted for by luck? Are you going to be a whale at some tiny site? That may earn your play extra scrutiny.
I am not going to get involved, but I wish you luck. Looking forward to your tell-all book.
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Obviously, it's going to be hard to get most people to give up information like that without a significant beneficial gain and trust.
As far as the legalities, it's hard to say since that depends on the where and what.
It's worth noting that most US-friendly offshore (non-regulated) joints normally don't require bank statements as part of their KYC or anything. Very few do phone verification.
I'm a bit confused as to why one would want bank statements with all the personal information redacted. I don't know what information is in bar codes and account numbers etc. I do know I have been asked about my last 2 or 3 bank transactions when verifying something with my bank for whatever reason on the phone.
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I don't know if this is all legitimate or not. Given my experience online and understanding of Advantage Play, I am leaning towards there being a legitimate AP reason he needs or wants this stuff.
Obviously, it's going to be hard to get most people to give up information like that without a significant beneficial gain and trust.
As far as the legalities, it's hard to say since that depends on the where and what.
It's worth noting that most US-friendly offshore (non-regulated) joints normally don't require bank statements as part of their KYC or anything. Very few do phone verification.
I'm a bit confused as to why one would want bank statements with all the personal information redacted. I don't know what information is in bar codes and account numbers etc. I do know I have been asked about my last 2 or 3 bank transactions when verifying something with my bank for whatever reason on the phone.
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I understand that the OP is outside the USA and attacking UK or Euro friendly casinos. He's not yet said whether he beats the games or the bonuses.
As to the bank statements, I gather he weaves fabricated identities into them. Burner phones might be for applying two factor authentication with account log in, or maybe the casino uses them to geolocate the player.
I won't be working with him, not because I don't trust him, but because of potential downsides.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DOBSSNI'm not going to disclose the technique. Only way that would ever happen would be if I was dying or someone offered a million bucks up front.
Even if people could be trusted to pay a portion out the increase in risk of discovery goes up exponentially with each person.
Back to the original topic though, if I could find reliable people to help with the statements I would make it well worth their time.
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I just googled ‘bank statement templates’ and it seems you can easily get them for major banks for free. Remind me why you want to pay someone to get you something that is easily gotten for free?
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Because those are rubbish.
When I made this offer somewhere else a few days ago I received a whole bunch of these and was able to detect them in seconds.
Quote: MentalOkay, this all makes more sense to me now. Perhaps I was rude to assume that you were looking for gnomes to exploit promos. I also assumed that you were going to have to disclose your secrets to armies of unvetted gnomes. I was trying to understand why that would not lead to a rapid spread of your secrets to all corners of the AP community.Quote: DOBSSNOk I guess I'll just disclose what I'm willing to and if it's too much info I'll take my lumps.
I worked out a way to beat a certain providers games, I'm not going to go into how, there's absolutely no reason for me to and every reason not to. If/when it gets found out I'll release a video on it and post here, but until then I'm going to make hay while the sun shines.
As soon as I suspected I was onto something I stopped using my real account and started looking into generating ID's; I knew that one player constantly winning was going to look suspicious.
I won't go into my workflow because any casino that found this could use it , but I knew I didn't want to steal anyone's ID, I've always had the motto "don't scam anyone who doesn't deserve it" so all my ID's were completely 100% fabricated.
Lately I've come to suspect that if I continue as I am then they may get suspicious of so many players from my fairly small country winning so often and so I'm trying to branch out to the other large markets.
This is where I am looking for assistance; although I can easily generate KYC material for my own country I don't have access to other countries materials, and I don't want to use leaked or stolen data for the reasons stated above.
So I am looking for people from large English speaking gambling markets (us,UK,can etc) to send me bank statement PDF's each month from the large banks in their countries.
I know the first thing you are thinking is I'm just going to steal your ID so to allay that fear you can even edit out all personal information, I will be changing it all anyway.
In addition I'm also looking for reliable people to buy burner SIM's for SMS verification.
I would pay well for honest and reliable assistance in this- if anyone's got any Q's let me know, and if you want to help just drop me a PM.
Don't bother if you're going to try and send fake/templates/stolen documents or utilize an online SMS service, you'll just waste both our time.
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I also wrongly assumed that some of the actual play would be at US casinos. That raises a lot of legal issues. Now, I am guessing that you will be playing from outside of the US on non-US sites using accounts created with KYC details from real people. I don't know the legal implications for doing that from your location. I hope you have researched them.
I find that I get so much cover play at the casinos that I play at, that playing one beatable game is not going to draw much attention. Very many of the promos require that I play slot games from a certain manufacturer, or table games, or live dealer games. Many of these +EV or very close. If you can do high volume cover play at or near +EV, you would be unlikely to raise any alarms at the site even if you have a high RTP at one game. Do you have an estimate of the variance of the game you are targeting? How much profit can you extract before you are winning much more than can be accounted for by luck? Are you going to be a whale at some tiny site? That may earn your play extra scrutiny.
I am not going to get involved, but I wish you luck. Looking forward to your tell-all book.
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No not KYC from of real people, I generate completely fake people and details.
Yes I do camouflage play with regular play, even a bit of losing of course, but eventually someone will catch on if all the payments are going to my small country, I target scummy casinos deliberately due to my "only scam people who deserve it" and they likely don't have the deepest pockets and will notice eventually.
Quote: rawtuffDoes your technique make use of analyzing web sessions for certain leaks?
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No but that sounds interesting.
Quote: AxelWolfI don't know if this is all legitimate or not. Given my experience online and understanding of Advantage Play, I am leaning towards there being a legitimate AP reason he needs or wants this stuff.Quote: MentalOkay, this all makes more sense to me now. Perhaps I was rude to assume that you were looking for gnomes to exploit promos. I also assumed that you were going to have to disclose your secrets to armies of unvetted gnomes. I was trying to understand why that would not lead to a rapid spread of your secrets to all corners of the AP community.Quote: DOBSSNOk I guess I'll just disclose what I'm willing to and if it's too much info I'll take my lumps.
I worked out a way to beat a certain providers games, I'm not going to go into how, there's absolutely no reason for me to and every reason not to. If/when it gets found out I'll release a video on it and post here, but until then I'm going to make hay while the sun shines.
As soon as I suspected I was onto something I stopped using my real account and started looking into generating ID's; I knew that one player constantly winning was going to look suspicious.
I won't go into my workflow because any casino that found this could use it , but I knew I didn't want to steal anyone's ID, I've always had the motto "don't scam anyone who doesn't deserve it" so all my ID's were completely 100% fabricated.
Lately I've come to suspect that if I continue as I am then they may get suspicious of so many players from my fairly small country winning so often and so I'm trying to branch out to the other large markets.
This is where I am looking for assistance; although I can easily generate KYC material for my own country I don't have access to other countries materials, and I don't want to use leaked or stolen data for the reasons stated above.
So I am looking for people from large English speaking gambling markets (us,UK,can etc) to send me bank statement PDF's each month from the large banks in their countries.
I know the first thing you are thinking is I'm just going to steal your ID so to allay that fear you can even edit out all personal information, I will be changing it all anyway.
In addition I'm also looking for reliable people to buy burner SIM's for SMS verification.
I would pay well for honest and reliable assistance in this- if anyone's got any Q's let me know, and if you want to help just drop me a PM.
Don't bother if you're going to try and send fake/templates/stolen documents or utilize an online SMS service, you'll just waste both our time.
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I also wrongly assumed that some of the actual play would be at US casinos. That raises a lot of legal issues. Now, I am guessing that you will be playing from outside of the US on non-US sites using accounts created with KYC details from real people. I don't know the legal implications for doing that from your location. I hope you have researched them.
I find that I get so much cover play at the casinos that I play at, that playing one beatable game is not going to draw much attention. Very many of the promos require that I play slot games from a certain manufacturer, or table games, or live dealer games. Many of these +EV or very close. If you can do high volume cover play at or near +EV, you would be unlikely to raise any alarms at the site even if you have a high RTP at one game. Do you have an estimate of the variance of the game you are targeting? How much profit can you extract before you are winning much more than can be accounted for by luck? Are you going to be a whale at some tiny site? That may earn your play extra scrutiny.
I am not going to get involved, but I wish you luck. Looking forward to your tell-all book.
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Obviously, it's going to be hard to get most people to give up information like that without a significant beneficial gain and trust.
As far as the legalities, it's hard to say since that depends on the where and what.
It's worth noting that most US-friendly offshore (non-regulated) joints normally don't require bank statements as part of their KYC or anything. Very few do phone verification.
I'm a bit confused as to why one would want bank statements with all the personal information redacted. I don't know what information is in bar codes and account numbers etc. I do know I have been asked about my last 2 or 3 bank transactions when verifying something with my bank for whatever reason on the phone.
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You are right, most don't require bank statements. At least not at initial KYC. However it has happened many times that I've used a utility instead and then when it's come time to withdraw money they suddenly want bank statements as advanced KYC or even under the guise of SOI.
Same with the phone verification, usually not needed, but sometimes it is, and I hate to lose an account because I was sloppy, I don't have the time to waste these days, I've got too many kids :(
Quote: OnceDearQuote: AxelWolf
I don't know if this is all legitimate or not. Given my experience online and understanding of Advantage Play, I am leaning towards there being a legitimate AP reason he needs or wants this stuff.
Obviously, it's going to be hard to get most people to give up information like that without a significant beneficial gain and trust.
As far as the legalities, it's hard to say since that depends on the where and what.
It's worth noting that most US-friendly offshore (non-regulated) joints normally don't require bank statements as part of their KYC or anything. Very few do phone verification.
I'm a bit confused as to why one would want bank statements with all the personal information redacted. I don't know what information is in bar codes and account numbers etc. I do know I have been asked about my last 2 or 3 bank transactions when verifying something with my bank for whatever reason on the phone.
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I understand that the OP is outside the USA and attacking UK or Euro friendly casinos. He's not yet said whether he beats the games or the bonuses.
As to the bank statements, I gather he weaves fabricated identities into them. Burner phones might be for applying two factor authentication with account log in, or maybe the casino uses them to geolocate the player.
I won't be working with him, not because I don't trust him, but because of potential downsides.
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That's absolutely fine of course but I do wonder what the potential downsides you see are?
Quote: DOBSSNQuote: MentalOkay, this all makes more sense to me now. Perhaps I was rude to assume that you were looking for gnomes to exploit promos. I also assumed that you were going to have to disclose your secrets to armies of unvetted gnomes. I was trying to understand why that would not lead to a rapid spread of your secrets to all corners of the AP community.Quote: DOBSSNOk I guess I'll just disclose what I'm willing to and if it's too much info I'll take my lumps.
I worked out a way to beat a certain providers games, I'm not going to go into how, there's absolutely no reason for me to and every reason not to. If/when it gets found out I'll release a video on it and post here, but until then I'm going to make hay while the sun shines.
As soon as I suspected I was onto something I stopped using my real account and started looking into generating ID's; I knew that one player constantly winning was going to look suspicious.
I won't go into my workflow because any casino that found this could use it , but I knew I didn't want to steal anyone's ID, I've always had the motto "don't scam anyone who doesn't deserve it" so all my ID's were completely 100% fabricated.
Lately I've come to suspect that if I continue as I am then they may get suspicious of so many players from my fairly small country winning so often and so I'm trying to branch out to the other large markets.
This is where I am looking for assistance; although I can easily generate KYC material for my own country I don't have access to other countries materials, and I don't want to use leaked or stolen data for the reasons stated above.
So I am looking for people from large English speaking gambling markets (us,UK,can etc) to send me bank statement PDF's each month from the large banks in their countries.
I know the first thing you are thinking is I'm just going to steal your ID so to allay that fear you can even edit out all personal information, I will be changing it all anyway.
In addition I'm also looking for reliable people to buy burner SIM's for SMS verification.
I would pay well for honest and reliable assistance in this- if anyone's got any Q's let me know, and if you want to help just drop me a PM.
Don't bother if you're going to try and send fake/templates/stolen documents or utilize an online SMS service, you'll just waste both our time.
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I also wrongly assumed that some of the actual play would be at US casinos. That raises a lot of legal issues. Now, I am guessing that you will be playing from outside of the US on non-US sites using accounts created with KYC details from real people. I don't know the legal implications for doing that from your location. I hope you have researched them.
I find that I get so much cover play at the casinos that I play at, that playing one beatable game is not going to draw much attention. Very many of the promos require that I play slot games from a certain manufacturer, or table games, or live dealer games. Many of these +EV or very close. If you can do high volume cover play at or near +EV, you would be unlikely to raise any alarms at the site even if you have a high RTP at one game. Do you have an estimate of the variance of the game you are targeting? How much profit can you extract before you are winning much more than can be accounted for by luck? Are you going to be a whale at some tiny site? That may earn your play extra scrutiny.
I am not going to get involved, but I wish you luck. Looking forward to your tell-all book.
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No not KYC from of real people, I generate completely fake people and details.
Yes I do camouflage play with regular play, even a bit of losing of course, but eventually someone will catch on if ask the payments are going to my small country, I target scummy casinos deliberately due to my "only scam people who deserve it" and they likely don't have the deepest pockets and will notice eventually.
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You’ve opened the bag a little. See if I’m summing it up properly.
You have a way to open accounts at multiple online casinos, and can reliably and continuously beat them and actually withdraw the cash.
You are limited to how much a single account can make for fear of being found out and backed off.
You believe if you opened more accounts in your home country of Malta (I made that up) that would alert the casinos that something is going on.
You somehow feel if you got bank statements with ALL identifying info redacted you would be able to make sham accounts with sham names and sham addresses and sham phone numbers and get these casinos to open accounts and after you do your magic they will send money to these sham people and you will be able to scoop up that money?
I am trying to be blunt. It seems like you will meet with no success in recruiting anyone to help you. Did I misintetpretmisrepresent anything?
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DOBSSNQuote: MentalOkay, this all makes more sense to me now. Perhaps I was rude to assume that you were looking for gnomes to exploit promos. I also assumed that you were going to have to disclose your secrets to armies of unvetted gnomes. I was trying to understand why that would not lead to a rapid spread of your secrets to all corners of the AP community.Quote: DOBSSNOk I guess I'll just disclose what I'm willing to and if it's too much info I'll take my lumps.
I worked out a way to beat a certain providers games, I'm not going to go into how, there's absolutely no reason for me to and every reason not to. If/when it gets found out I'll release a video on it and post here, but until then I'm going to make hay while the sun shines.
As soon as I suspected I was onto something I stopped using my real account and started looking into generating ID's; I knew that one player constantly winning was going to look suspicious.
I won't go into my workflow because any casino that found this could use it , but I knew I didn't want to steal anyone's ID, I've always had the motto "don't scam anyone who doesn't deserve it" so all my ID's were completely 100% fabricated.
Lately I've come to suspect that if I continue as I am then they may get suspicious of so many players from my fairly small country winning so often and so I'm trying to branch out to the other large markets.
This is where I am looking for assistance; although I can easily generate KYC material for my own country I don't have access to other countries materials, and I don't want to use leaked or stolen data for the reasons stated above.
So I am looking for people from large English speaking gambling markets (us,UK,can etc) to send me bank statement PDF's each month from the large banks in their countries.
I know the first thing you are thinking is I'm just going to steal your ID so to allay that fear you can even edit out all personal information, I will be changing it all anyway.
In addition I'm also looking for reliable people to buy burner SIM's for SMS verification.
I would pay well for honest and reliable assistance in this- if anyone's got any Q's let me know, and if you want to help just drop me a PM.
Don't bother if you're going to try and send fake/templates/stolen documents or utilize an online SMS service, you'll just waste both our time.
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I also wrongly assumed that some of the actual play would be at US casinos. That raises a lot of legal issues. Now, I am guessing that you will be playing from outside of the US on non-US sites using accounts created with KYC details from real people. I don't know the legal implications for doing that from your location. I hope you have researched them.
I find that I get so much cover play at the casinos that I play at, that playing one beatable game is not going to draw much attention. Very many of the promos require that I play slot games from a certain manufacturer, or table games, or live dealer games. Many of these +EV or very close. If you can do high volume cover play at or near +EV, you would be unlikely to raise any alarms at the site even if you have a high RTP at one game. Do you have an estimate of the variance of the game you are targeting? How much profit can you extract before you are winning much more than can be accounted for by luck? Are you going to be a whale at some tiny site? That may earn your play extra scrutiny.
I am not going to get involved, but I wish you luck. Looking forward to your tell-all book.
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No not KYC from of real people, I generate completely fake people and details.
Yes I do camouflage play with regular play, even a bit of losing of course, but eventually someone will catch on if ask the payments are going to my small country, I target scummy casinos deliberately due to my "only scam people who deserve it" and they likely don't have the deepest pockets and will notice eventually.
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You’ve opened the bag a little. See if I’m summing it up properly.
You have a way to open accounts at multiple online casinos, and can reliably and continuously beat them and actually withdraw the cash.
You are limited to how much a single account can make for fear of being found out and backed off.
You believe if you opened more accounts in your home country of Malta (I made that up) that would alert the casinos that something is going on.
You somehow feel if you got bank statements with ALL identifying info redacted you would be able to make sham accounts with sham names and sham addresses and sham phone numbers and get these casinos to open accounts and after you do your magic they will send money to these sham people and you will be able to scoop up that money?
I am trying to be blunt. It seems like you will meet with no success in recruiting anyone to help you. Did I misintetpretmisrepresent anything?
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Yes that's the gist of it, although one big thing you got wrong is that the money would be sent to a sham person- it's all crypto.
Why do you think no one will help? If I hadn't discovered this and I came across someone offering potentially thousands of dollars just to send a few PDFs with no personally identifiable information or obvious risk I would certainly consider it if not jump at the opportunity.
Quote: DOBSSNQuote: SOOPOOQuote: DOBSSNQuote: MentalOkay, this all makes more sense to me now. Perhaps I was rude to assume that you were looking for gnomes to exploit promos. I also assumed that you were going to have to disclose your secrets to armies of unvetted gnomes. I was trying to understand why that would not lead to a rapid spread of your secrets to all corners of the AP community.Quote: DOBSSNOk I guess I'll just disclose what I'm willing to and if it's too much info I'll take my lumps.
I worked out a way to beat a certain providers games, I'm not going to go into how, there's absolutely no reason for me to and every reason not to. If/when it gets found out I'll release a video on it and post here, but until then I'm going to make hay while the sun shines.
As soon as I suspected I was onto something I stopped using my real account and started looking into generating ID's; I knew that one player constantly winning was going to look suspicious.
I won't go into my workflow because any casino that found this could use it , but I knew I didn't want to steal anyone's ID, I've always had the motto "don't scam anyone who doesn't deserve it" so all my ID's were completely 100% fabricated.
Lately I've come to suspect that if I continue as I am then they may get suspicious of so many players from my fairly small country winning so often and so I'm trying to branch out to the other large markets.
This is where I am looking for assistance; although I can easily generate KYC material for my own country I don't have access to other countries materials, and I don't want to use leaked or stolen data for the reasons stated above.
So I am looking for people from large English speaking gambling markets (us,UK,can etc) to send me bank statement PDF's each month from the large banks in their countries.
I know the first thing you are thinking is I'm just going to steal your ID so to allay that fear you can even edit out all personal information, I will be changing it all anyway.
In addition I'm also looking for reliable people to buy burner SIM's for SMS verification.
I would pay well for honest and reliable assistance in this- if anyone's got any Q's let me know, and if you want to help just drop me a PM.
Don't bother if you're going to try and send fake/templates/stolen documents or utilize an online SMS service, you'll just waste both our time.
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I also wrongly assumed that some of the actual play would be at US casinos. That raises a lot of legal issues. Now, I am guessing that you will be playing from outside of the US on non-US sites using accounts created with KYC details from real people. I don't know the legal implications for doing that from your location. I hope you have researched them.
I find that I get so much cover play at the casinos that I play at, that playing one beatable game is not going to draw much attention. Very many of the promos require that I play slot games from a certain manufacturer, or table games, or live dealer games. Many of these +EV or very close. If you can do high volume cover play at or near +EV, you would be unlikely to raise any alarms at the site even if you have a high RTP at one game. Do you have an estimate of the variance of the game you are targeting? How much profit can you extract before you are winning much more than can be accounted for by luck? Are you going to be a whale at some tiny site? That may earn your play extra scrutiny.
I am not going to get involved, but I wish you luck. Looking forward to your tell-all book.
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No not KYC from of real people, I generate completely fake people and details.
Yes I do camouflage play with regular play, even a bit of losing of course, but eventually someone will catch on if ask the payments are going to my small country, I target scummy casinos deliberately due to my "only scam people who deserve it" and they likely don't have the deepest pockets and will notice eventually.
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You’ve opened the bag a little. See if I’m summing it up properly.
You have a way to open accounts at multiple online casinos, and can reliably and continuously beat them and actually withdraw the cash.
You are limited to how much a single account can make for fear of being found out and backed off.
You believe if you opened more accounts in your home country of Malta (I made that up) that would alert the casinos that something is going on.
You somehow feel if you got bank statements with ALL identifying info redacted you would be able to make sham accounts with sham names and sham addresses and sham phone numbers and get these casinos to open accounts and after you do your magic they will send money to these sham people and you will be able to scoop up that money?
I am trying to be blunt. It seems like you will meet with no success in recruiting anyone to help you. Did I misintetpretmisrepresent anything?
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Yes that's the gist of it, although one big thing you got wrong is that the money would be sent to a sham person- it's all crypto.
Why do you think no one will help? If I hadn't discovered this and I came across someone offering potentially thousands of dollars just to send a few PDFs with no personally identifiable information or obvious risk I would certainly consider it if not jump at the opportunity.
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Because it is easy to find them for free. They look exactly like real bank statements. Your answer ‘they don’t look real’ makes me think your offer isn’t ‘real’.
Since you are anonymous, and haven’t given ANY real idea of how you ‘use the casino as an ATM’, can you tell us roughly how much $$ you are talking about? Like $1k a month per casino? How many casinos can you do this at? How many sham names are you looking for?
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DOBSSNQuote: SOOPOOQuote: DOBSSNQuote: MentalOkay, this all makes more sense to me now. Perhaps I was rude to assume that you were looking for gnomes to exploit promos. I also assumed that you were going to have to disclose your secrets to armies of unvetted gnomes. I was trying to understand why that would not lead to a rapid spread of your secrets to all corners of the AP community.Quote: DOBSSNOk I guess I'll just disclose what I'm willing to and if it's too much info I'll take my lumps.
I worked out a way to beat a certain providers games, I'm not going to go into how, there's absolutely no reason for me to and every reason not to. If/when it gets found out I'll release a video on it and post here, but until then I'm going to make hay while the sun shines.
As soon as I suspected I was onto something I stopped using my real account and started looking into generating ID's; I knew that one player constantly winning was going to look suspicious.
I won't go into my workflow because any casino that found this could use it , but I knew I didn't want to steal anyone's ID, I've always had the motto "don't scam anyone who doesn't deserve it" so all my ID's were completely 100% fabricated.
Lately I've come to suspect that if I continue as I am then they may get suspicious of so many players from my fairly small country winning so often and so I'm trying to branch out to the other large markets.
This is where I am looking for assistance; although I can easily generate KYC material for my own country I don't have access to other countries materials, and I don't want to use leaked or stolen data for the reasons stated above.
So I am looking for people from large English speaking gambling markets (us,UK,can etc) to send me bank statement PDF's each month from the large banks in their countries.
I know the first thing you are thinking is I'm just going to steal your ID so to allay that fear you can even edit out all personal information, I will be changing it all anyway.
In addition I'm also looking for reliable people to buy burner SIM's for SMS verification.
I would pay well for honest and reliable assistance in this- if anyone's got any Q's let me know, and if you want to help just drop me a PM.
Don't bother if you're going to try and send fake/templates/stolen documents or utilize an online SMS service, you'll just waste both our time.
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I also wrongly assumed that some of the actual play would be at US casinos. That raises a lot of legal issues. Now, I am guessing that you will be playing from outside of the US on non-US sites using accounts created with KYC details from real people. I don't know the legal implications for doing that from your location. I hope you have researched them.
I find that I get so much cover play at the casinos that I play at, that playing one beatable game is not going to draw much attention. Very many of the promos require that I play slot games from a certain manufacturer, or table games, or live dealer games. Many of these +EV or very close. If you can do high volume cover play at or near +EV, you would be unlikely to raise any alarms at the site even if you have a high RTP at one game. Do you have an estimate of the variance of the game you are targeting? How much profit can you extract before you are winning much more than can be accounted for by luck? Are you going to be a whale at some tiny site? That may earn your play extra scrutiny.
I am not going to get involved, but I wish you luck. Looking forward to your tell-all book.
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No not KYC from of real people, I generate completely fake people and details.
Yes I do camouflage play with regular play, even a bit of losing of course, but eventually someone will catch on if ask the payments are going to my small country, I target scummy casinos deliberately due to my "only scam people who deserve it" and they likely don't have the deepest pockets and will notice eventually.
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You’ve opened the bag a little. See if I’m summing it up properly.
You have a way to open accounts at multiple online casinos, and can reliably and continuously beat them and actually withdraw the cash.
You are limited to how much a single account can make for fear of being found out and backed off.
You believe if you opened more accounts in your home country of Malta (I made that up) that would alert the casinos that something is going on.
You somehow feel if you got bank statements with ALL identifying info redacted you would be able to make sham accounts with sham names and sham addresses and sham phone numbers and get these casinos to open accounts and after you do your magic they will send money to these sham people and you will be able to scoop up that money?
I am trying to be blunt. It seems like you will meet with no success in recruiting anyone to help you. Did I misintetpretmisrepresent anything?
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Yes that's the gist of it, although one big thing you got wrong is that the money would be sent to a sham person- it's all crypto.
Why do you think no one will help? If I hadn't discovered this and I came across someone offering potentially thousands of dollars just to send a few PDFs with no personally identifiable information or obvious risk I would certainly consider it if not jump at the opportunity.
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Because it is easy to find them for free. They look exactly like real bank statements. Your answer ‘they don’t look real’ makes me think your offer isn’t ‘real’.
Since you are anonymous, and haven’t given ANY real idea of how you ‘use the casino as an ATM’, can you tell us roughly how much $$ you are talking about? Like $1k a month per casino? How many casinos can you do this at? How many sham names are you looking for?
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I can easily tell they are fake, and so can the casinos.
If you don't believe me I will PM the wizard with details on how but I'd rather not disclose that in public as it's just more information a casino who found this thread could use
The how of my technique is not relevant to this thread but I have posted information on how much I've made in my other thread.
I'm not going to post any more information on the technique in public, certainly not which casinos I can target.
Edit: and yes of course I'm anonymous and I'm not going to post info on how to do this, why would I?
I stand by my initial thought. Let a trusted person like Wizard in on ‘the secret’, and if he vouches for you, you may get a ton of interest.
Quote: SOOPOOI just read your first post on the other thread. Seems like you’ve been able to make 6 figures with just one account? Quite impressive. I’m still guessing you won’t be getting anyone to send you their bank statements, stuff redacted or not.
I stand by my initial thought. Let a trusted person like Wizard in on ‘the secret’, and if he vouches for you, you may get a ton of interest.
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No that wasn't all with one account.
Whether "the secret" works or not is irrelevant to this thread, I don't see why anyone participating would care particularly so long as they get paid, I also don't really see substantial risk to anyone participating.
I feel like I've said "I'm not discussing how my technique works" enough times now.
Quote: DOBSSNQuote: SOOPOOI just read your first post on the other thread. Seems like you’ve been able to make 6 figures with just one account? Quite impressive. I’m still guessing you won’t be getting anyone to send you their bank statements, stuff redacted or not.
I stand by my initial thought. Let a trusted person like Wizard in on ‘the secret’, and if he vouches for you, you may get a ton of interest.
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No that wasn't all with one account.
Whether "the secret" works or not is irrelevant to this thread, I don't see why anyone participating would care particularly so long as they get paid, I also don't really see substantial risk to anyone participating.
I feel like I've said "I'm not discussing how my technique works" enough times now.
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That’s your right. Everyone ignoring your request is their right.
I generally like SOOPOO's posts, but this interaction bothers me. Although I was originally suspicious of a new poster, I now believe DOB's story. You don't know what kind of stupid mistakes are out there in the online world until you spend time online looking at as many games as possible. I certainly would not advise DOB to share the details of his play with the Wizard. If the game is throwing off significant cash flow, DOB doesn't need confirmation from Mike. Even if Mike can be trusted with really valuable information about one game, just the information about what kind of vulnerabilities exist might leak out in Mike's writings or conversations with other APs. What benefit would DOB get from risking this? "Whether "the secret" works or not is irrelevant to this thread...".Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DOBSSNQuote: SOOPOOI just read your first post on the other thread. Seems like you’ve been able to make 6 figures with just one account? Quite impressive. I’m still guessing you won’t be getting anyone to send you their bank statements, stuff redacted or not.
I stand by my initial thought. Let a trusted person like Wizard in on ‘the secret’, and if he vouches for you, you may get a ton of interest.
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No that wasn't all with one account.
Whether "the secret" works or not is irrelevant to this thread, I don't see why anyone participating would care particularly so long as they get paid, I also don't really see substantial risk to anyone participating.
I feel like I've said "I'm not discussing how my technique works" enough times now.
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That’s your right. Everyone ignoring your request is their right.
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If someone takes DOB up on his offer and gets paid without revealing any personal information, then they would be able to tell others how it worked out and whether they thought it was worth the time and potential risk of participating. That person would not know or care if DOB is making money on the fake account or not.
I have interacted with DOB via PM. I have not asked him about his method, and I would not expect him to tell me if I was crass enough to ask. I have secret plays that I have only shared with my immediate family. Opportunities are constantly disappearing in the online world. I presume this is because too many AP's figured them out and started hammering them. One of the reasons I tend to believe DOB is that his main motivation is trying to preserve the opportunity by spreading his play around. I can relate.
There are only a few people on this forum who claim to be making bank online. I am glad DOBSSN joined the forum.
Quote: MentalI am glad DOBSSN joined the forum.
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Random probably meaningless observation - DOBSSN (date of birth, social security number/)
