Mental's Method
I sometimes hit a Major while chasing plays.Quote: darkozQuote: MDawgThe point is that your statement "I make $20,000. $10,000. a week" is meaningless.
Now, get back to providing the proof for your statement above.
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First provide the proof that the statement I make $10,000 a week but not every week is meaningless
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But i dont go saying I hit a Major a day but not everyday.
To me, if someone says they made $10k+/week profit but not every week then they're doing it regularly.
How often is 'regularly' is subjective to your personal experiences.
In sex, regularly to some people means majority of days in a week.
To others, it means at least once a day.
I am seldom chained to the computer like I would be if I were playing online poker. Poker tournaments are especially demanding. I am reading most of the time that I am at the computer playing slots. I don't need to focus on the slot play. It just have it running in a background window. If there is a big jackpot, I am alerted by the bells.Quote: 100xOddsI thought about doing online casinos instead of b&m but i remember the old days of online poker around mid-2000s.
I was multi-tabling poker for hrs and hrs.
It was lucrative, mainly because of rake back.
But i never left the house for long periods of time and only to buy food. (And i probably would have never left the house if Uber Eats was around that time.)
Thankfully (to me), Pres Bush Jr nuked the online poker scene and enabled me to leave the house. No more golden handcuffs to the computer.
I find AP'ing b&m casinos more fun than playing online (but less lucrative per hr).
It's something to walk machine to machine and enjoy finding a play. And basically just walking and getting in steps for my health.
My main casino has mostly friendly APs and i've made friends with some of them.
The asshats are still not that nasty in that they won't muscle in if you're waiting. They just sit at a central location monitoring multiple banks at once claiming all for themselves. (How to combat this?)
At the end of the day, i'll take a 'job' i enjoy than max $ per hr.
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Today I have a rare promo that requires that I play table games. I find it annoying having to actually tend to a game.
My EV/hr rate is still high enough to keep me liking the job. There is some EV/hour level at which I will just decide not to play at all. If I simply taper my work schedule, then I lose the VIP status that gets me the good offers. So I either do this seven days a week or I don't do it at all.
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The asshats are still not that nasty in that they won't muscle in if you're waiting. They just sit at a central location monitoring multiple banks at once claiming all for themselves. (How to combat this?)
Lots of garlic, a stake and a mallet.
Yes, I'm talking about some Oddball stuff at non-regulated online casinos. There are hundreds of providers, thousands of different games, and somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 casinos.Quote: MentalThe feature where a game stops after a certain loss is useful loss rebate promos.Quote: AxelWolfA lot of them come with Auto Spin already built-in. Some built-in Auto spins get pretty elaborate. You can adjust the amount you want to win or lose, you can have it stop on certain win amounts or bonus rounds.Quote: rxwineQuote: MentalOnline casinos can have well over 1000 unique games. I try to find the best game to play based on the terms of any play-to-earn offer. Often VP and table games are excluded. Sometimes, I cannot find any game that works out by the numbers.
Are you a programmer? If you're playing an online game that just needs pressing a button repeatedly, you could probably use some software (macro) that repeatedly presses the virtual button at a measured rate and is able to detect a target amount and/or a screen change where it will stop or notify you.
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I've even seen a game online where you can play tens of thousands of spins within minutes and it just tells you the results. You adjust the amount you want to bet per spin and it does its thing. I think you can recall the results of each individual spins as well.
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I hate when the games that stop on a big win or a bonus feature.
I have never seen the instant play games Axel describes. The market is being flooded by the 'Lucky Tap' type of games that play at a rate of 50 games per minute. For example, you can auto-play 1000 games where a dart is thrown at a wall of balloons for prizes. If a dart misses, the next dart is thrown a half second later. Winning throws take longer to complete. You can get 150K coin in per hour on some of these games.
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You could spend years investigating online casinos and always find something new, unique, and different.
Legend is he requested a loan extension and said he made $100,000 a night. The banker said you haven't toured in three years, so you make nothing a night. Billy called his friend Elton, and they arranged a three-night stand at Yankee Stadium. Mr. Joel got his extension.
Quote: billryanAnyone following Billy Joels's career knows money issues have plagued him. Getting ripped off by two managers, three expensive divorces, IRS problems, a love of expensive objects, and the willingness to back many local small businesses left him cash-poor.
Legend is he requested a loan extension and said he made $100,000 a night. The banker said you haven't toured in three years, so you make nothing a night. Billy called his friend Elton, and they arranged a three-night stand at Yankee Stadium. Mr. Joel got his extension.
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This might be the heart of the problem.
99% of the population works on salary (that's my estimate don't ask for studies and demographic volumetric reports) so they can't understand people who get paid large amounts in a short time and then spend a week or month or year just lazing about at their home.
Quote: darkozQuote: billryanAnyone following Billy Joels's career knows money issues have plagued him. Getting ripped off by two managers, three expensive divorces, IRS problems, a love of expensive objects, and the willingness to back many local small businesses left him cash-poor.
Legend is he requested a loan extension and said he made $100,000 a night. The banker said you haven't toured in three years, so you make nothing a night. Billy called his friend Elton, and they arranged a three-night stand at Yankee Stadium. Mr. Joel got his extension.
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This might be the heart of the problem.
99% of the population works on salary (that's my estimate don't ask for studies and demographic volumetric reports) so they can't understand people who get paid large amounts in a short time and then spend a week or month or year just lazing about at their home.
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There’s just pretty poor or questionable financial management skills on display regardless of how the income is distributed, just yes most people are accustomed to semi standard paychecks and expenditures.
I think most people don’t understand or have a reference for getting a large amount of money at one time period.
But I’m confident you’re way, way underestimating the percentage of population with irregular income even with “full time employment” outside of your local area. Consider the amount of seasonal work (includes the majority of construction and agricultural workforce in many markets.)
For example for a couple summers when I was young I combined peas in a northern climate. 6-7 days a week 12-13 hour shifts for about 8 weeks iirc then it’s all over, you got nothing or find the next job and you didn’t work there long enough to get unemployment. Season length and work also varies/not guaranteed due to variable weather and harvest size. Like due to weather even if the total hours is the same, the distribution can be considerably different due to good weather meaning tons of overtime and a more spread out harvest less hours are OT even though same work. That sort of work is not at all uncommon in many areas of the US, probably not in the metro northeast though idk.
Yeah they might get unemployment in the offseason but the income is still very irregular and somewhat unpredictable in similar ways. But because it’s blue collar those financial management skills are pretty much basic survival, probably can’t understand larger contract irregular pay. Also probably often live in a lower cost of living area.
Quote: mcallister3200Quote: darkozQuote: billryanAnyone following Billy Joels's career knows money issues have plagued him. Getting ripped off by two managers, three expensive divorces, IRS problems, a love of expensive objects, and the willingness to back many local small businesses left him cash-poor.
Legend is he requested a loan extension and said he made $100,000 a night. The banker said you haven't toured in three years, so you make nothing a night. Billy called his friend Elton, and they arranged a three-night stand at Yankee Stadium. Mr. Joel got his extension.
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This might be the heart of the problem.
99% of the population works on salary (that's my estimate don't ask for studies and demographic volumetric reports) so they can't understand people who get paid large amounts in a short time and then spend a week or month or year just lazing about at their home.
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There’s just pretty poor or questionable financial management skills on display regardless of how the income is distributed, just yes most people are accustomed to semi standard paychecks and expenditures.
I think most people don’t understand or have a reference for getting a large amount of money at one time period.
But I’m confident you’re way, way underestimating the percentage of population with irregular income even with “full time employment” outside of your local area. Consider the amount of seasonal work (includes the majority of construction and agricultural workforce in many markets.)
For example for a couple summers when I was young I combined peas in a northern climate. 6-7 days a week 12-13 hour shifts for about 8 weeks iirc then it’s all over, you got nothing or find the next job and you didn’t work there long enough to get unemployment. Season length and work also varies/not guaranteed due to variable weather and harvest size. Like due to weather even if the total hours is the same, the distribution can be considerably different due to good weather meaning tons of overtime and a more spread out harvest less hours are OT even though same work. That sort of work is not at all uncommon in many areas of the US, probably not in the metro northeast though idk.
Yeah they might get unemployment in the offseason but the income is still very irregular and somewhat unpredictable in similar ways. But because it’s blue collar those financial management skills are pretty much basic survival, probably can’t understand larger contract irregular pay. Also probably often live in a lower cost of living area.
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Good points.
I does seem low income seasonal workers try to find off season jobs because they can't afford to live off the temp work. Teachers for example often take summer camp councilor jobs during summer months.
Upper north amusement parks have such seasonal work issues, jobs May through October only.
I imagine an amusement park executive in say Massachusetts would drive MDawg batty with statements like "I make $100,000 in six months but not every six months "
For the record- I lost 100% of my bets on the NCAA this year. It was a limited sampling but it's worth noting.
Quote: billryanWhen you say you were making $20,000 a week yada yada but now are doing $10,000 with the same qualifications, it sounds like you are saying you made half as much money last year as when you made the original statement.
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The original statement was in 2020. It was around December after most of the country had reopened from covid. Some AP's stated they were now doing a lot worse than pre-covid. I pointed out I was making about $20,000 a week. That had been consistent since September so for about four months. I didn't say I made $20,000 every week of every year. Everyone else just piled on that's what $20,000 a week must mean.
Some asked me directly if I claimed to be making a million a year because they multiplied twenty grand by 52. I pointed out I didn't make that every week and that there were always extenuating factors including free offer scheduling, changing of offers, card shutdowns, world wide shutdowns by covid and now add cyber attack shutdowns.
But still people seem only able to multiply my claim by 52 weeks a year.
Anyway in 2023 I made about half the money I made in 2021. 2022 was already going downhill and I even posted about it. But of course people don't remember that posting (look at my thread history. It's there).
But people want to keep mentioning things from years ago.
Does it make a difference to perception if I say I make $10,000 a week but not every week? Is the argument the amount made or method of reporting weekly profit?
Quote: darkozQuote: billryanWhen you say you were making $20,000 a week yada yada but now are doing $10,000 with the same qualifications, it sounds like you are saying you made half as much money last year as when you made the original statement.
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The original statement was in 2020. It was around December after most of the country had reopened from covid. Some AP's stated they were now doing a lot worse than pre-covid. I pointed out I was making about $20,000 a week. That had been consistent since September so for about four months. I didn't say I made $20,000 every week of every year. Everyone else just piled on that's what $20,000 a week must mean.
Some asked me directly if I claimed to be making a million a year because they multiplied twenty grand by 52. I pointed out I didn't make that every week and that there were always extenuating factors including free offer scheduling, changing of offers, card shutdowns, world wide shutdowns by covid and now add cyber attack shutdowns.
But still people seem only able to multiply my claim by 52 weeks a year.
Anyway in 2023 I made about half the money I made in 2021. 2022 was already going downhill and I even posted about it. But of course people don't remember that posting (look at my thread history. It's there).
But people want to keep mentioning things from years ago.
Does it make a difference to perception if I say I make $10,000 a week but not every week? Is the argument the amount made or method of reporting weekly profit?
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This is how I’d have said it. ‘When going well, I make around $20k a week. But the nature of my offers is that there are many weeks I’ll make much less. I’d guess if you average the good and the bad, I make on average $12k a week. Of course, this could all change due to a number of factors.’
I dont think D.O wants to say his avg. Like me, i dont want people knowing how much i make a yearQuote: SOOPOOThis is how I’d have said it:
‘When going well, I make around $20k a week. But the nature of my offers is that there are many weeks I’ll make much less. I’d guess if you average the good and the bad, I make on average $12k a week. Of course, this could all change due to a number of factors.’
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#A-Major-a-Day-ButNotEveryDay :)
Quote: 100xOddsI dont think D.O wants to say his avg. Like me, i dont want people knowing how much i make a yearQuote: SOOPOOThis is how I’d have said it:
‘When going well, I make around $20k a week. But the nature of my offers is that there are many weeks I’ll make much less. I’d guess if you average the good and the bad, I make on average $12k a week. Of course, this could all change due to a number of factors.’
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#5Figures-a-Day-ButNotEveryDay :)
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You obviously always get 100x the odds who is even guessing here?
And to see mdawg doubt is amazing imo this is the most active I’ve seen him outside of his threads and mental hit a soft spot to the point where mdawg is alive
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: darkozQuote: billryanWhen you say you were making $20,000 a week yada yada but now are doing $10,000 with the same qualifications, it sounds like you are saying you made half as much money last year as when you made the original statement.
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The original statement was in 2020. It was around December after most of the country had reopened from covid. Some AP's stated they were now doing a lot worse than pre-covid. I pointed out I was making about $20,000 a week. That had been consistent since September so for about four months. I didn't say I made $20,000 every week of every year. Everyone else just piled on that's what $20,000 a week must mean.
Some asked me directly if I claimed to be making a million a year because they multiplied twenty grand by 52. I pointed out I didn't make that every week and that there were always extenuating factors including free offer scheduling, changing of offers, card shutdowns, world wide shutdowns by covid and now add cyber attack shutdowns.
But still people seem only able to multiply my claim by 52 weeks a year.
Anyway in 2023 I made about half the money I made in 2021. 2022 was already going downhill and I even posted about it. But of course people don't remember that posting (look at my thread history. It's there).
But people want to keep mentioning things from years ago.
Does it make a difference to perception if I say I make $10,000 a week but not every week? Is the argument the amount made or method of reporting weekly profit?
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This is how I’d have said it. ‘When going well, I make around $20k a week. But the nature of my offers is that there are many weeks I’ll make much less. I’d guess if you average the good and the bad, I make on average $12k a week. Of course, this could all change due to a number of factors.’
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I suppose but even then...
For example I was making $20,000 every single week for about six months concentrating on one particular chain. Then they figured out what was happening and shut the entire operation down. Then I didn't make anything for about two months while I set up shop elsewhere.
Setting up shop elsewhere wasn't cheap. Paying my Cadre to get cards, testing to make sure it was worthwhile intial gambling investments. Probably a few weeks of those $20,000,ers went back into all that and out my pocket. Only of course to come back into my pocket months later when offers begin to kick in.
Even saying an average income of $xxx would be misleading in my opinion because that average can change drastically at any given moment
I never spent a second worrying about darkoz's $20K claim. This is gambling. Earning power is theoretical and changes constantly as opportunities come and go. Unless we track the theoretical EV of every play, we don't even know what our own theoretical earning power is. I used to track my expected earnings/losses for video poker because I knew what the EV of each hand of JOB/AA/JW was.Quote: darkozQuote: SOOPOOQuote: darkozQuote: billryanWhen you say you were making $20,000 a week yada yada but now are doing $10,000 with the same qualifications, it sounds like you are saying you made half as much money last year as when you made the original statement.
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The original statement was in 2020. It was around December after most of the country had reopened from covid. Some AP's stated they were now doing a lot worse than pre-covid. I pointed out I was making about $20,000 a week. That had been consistent since September so for about four months. I didn't say I made $20,000 every week of every year. Everyone else just piled on that's what $20,000 a week must mean.
Some asked me directly if I claimed to be making a million a year because they multiplied twenty grand by 52. I pointed out I didn't make that every week and that there were always extenuating factors including free offer scheduling, changing of offers, card shutdowns, world wide shutdowns by covid and now add cyber attack shutdowns.
But still people seem only able to multiply my claim by 52 weeks a year.
Anyway in 2023 I made about half the money I made in 2021. 2022 was already going downhill and I even posted about it. But of course people don't remember that posting (look at my thread history. It's there).
But people want to keep mentioning things from years ago.
Does it make a difference to perception if I say I make $10,000 a week but not every week? Is the argument the amount made or method of reporting weekly profit?
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This is how I’d have said it. ‘When going well, I make around $20k a week. But the nature of my offers is that there are many weeks I’ll make much less. I’d guess if you average the good and the bad, I make on average $12k a week. Of course, this could all change due to a number of factors.’
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I suppose but even then...
For example I was making $20,000 every single week for about six months concentrating on one particular chain. Then they figured out what was happening and shut the entire operation down. Then I didn't make anything for about two months while I set up shop elsewhere.
Setting up shop elsewhere wasn't cheap. Paying my Cadre to get cards, testing to make sure it was worthwhile intial gambling investments. Probably a few weeks of those $20,000,ers went back into all that and out my pocket. Only of course to come back into my pocket months later when offers begin to kick in.
Even saying an average income of $xxx would be misleading in my opinion because that average can change drastically at any given moment
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Now, I play so many different games and I just track session W/L. I don't even record if the game was slots or BJ or roulette. My first guess at my earning power is my average income over at least a quarter. I have a boatload of variance in my results. I just calculated the standard deviation of my daily online W/L for days that I was active in 2023. I was out of state for 60 days, so this left 305 days with non-zero W/L. The SD was $14,867. This result includes some partial days when I was leaving the state in the morning or returning in the evening. My SD for a full day of play is probably $16K.
If I look at a month of profit and tell you that number represents my earning power, I am full of it. Even my profit for the full year 2023 has a huge component of luck built in. I am sure the variance of my 2023 results is higher than my 2022 results. I am just willing to take on more risk every year. But the opportunity set is constantly changing. There is also variance in how much bonus money I take in each day.
If I told you how much I made in my best year, you would not believe it. And you should not believe that it represents my earning power. It is a real struggle for me to figure out the underlying trends in my theoretical earning power. There is just so much month to month variation in my W/L results. I might prepare some graphs that show how large the luck factor is over periods of weeks and months versus the underlying value of the business model. I am sure darkoz and other team leaders are dealing with the same sorts of issues. But we need to be constantly trying to figure out the trends if we want to make good business decisions.
Gambling for living is a tough business. It is hard not to get carried away when you are running good.
Quote: MDawgI don't earn the same every month, but as a person with an accurate mind I could tell you what I made last year. If I told anyone that "I make $100,000. a month" and it later turned out that I didn't earn at least $1.2M that year, I'd look like either an idiot or a braggart (as in - exaggerator), and deservedly so. Anyone who didn't view me as an idiot or braggart for saying something like that, I'd wonder about. In this context, by idiot, I mean - a person with an inaccurate mind.
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So basically you are saying if someone told you they made $100,000 some months but not every month of the year you are incapable of understanding English and just multiply $100,000 by 12?
So an actor who gets paid $1,000,000 per picture with an average shooting schedule of one month per picture must be working on at least 12 pictures a year and making $12,000,000 or you think he's a braggart and an idiot?
Quote: darkozQuote: MDawgI don't earn the same every month, but as a person with an accurate mind I could tell you what I made last year. If I told anyone that "I make $100,000. a month" and it later turned out that I didn't earn at least $1.2M that year, I'd look like either an idiot or a braggart (as in - exaggerator), and deservedly so. Anyone who didn't view me as an idiot or braggart for saying something like that, I'd wonder about. In this context, by idiot, I mean - a person with an inaccurate mind.
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So basically you are saying if someone told you they made $100,000 some months but not every month of the year you are incapable of understanding English and just multiply $100,000 by 12?
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Amazing that you'd write something so contradictory. Re-Read what I wrote. If I said that,
"I make $100,000. a month"
and made $1.2M in the year, there would be no issue.
The point is if I said that,
"I make $100,000. a month"
and did not make $1.2M in the year, made, oh I don't know, say, $500,000. or $700,000., then I would be either an idiot or a braggart.
The only person I have ever heard say anything like "I make $10,000. a week" when this does not apply to every week, is you. You added the "but not every week" only after we realized that you didn't even mean every week.
You seem to think that "I make $10,000. a week" does not mean every week. 😅
Beating the dead horse further,
would not lead anywhere since you don't seem to understand the inherent contradiction and meaningless of tossing out a definitive "I make" weekly figure, when it doesn't apply to every week.Quote: SOOPOOThat horse is so dead there is no carcass left to beat.
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Quote: MDawgQuote: darkozQuote: MDawgI don't earn the same every month, but as a person with an accurate mind I could tell you what I made last year. If I told anyone that "I make $100,000. a month" and it later turned out that I didn't earn at least $1.2M that year, I'd look like either an idiot or a braggart (as in - exaggerator), and deservedly so. Anyone who didn't view me as an idiot or braggart for saying something like that, I'd wonder about. In this context, by idiot, I mean - a person with an inaccurate mind.
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So basically you are saying if someone told you they made $100,000 some months but not every month of the year you are incapable of understanding English and just multiply $100,000 by 12?
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Amazing that you'd write something so contradictory. Re-Read what I wrote. If I said that,
"I make $100,000. a month"
and made $1.2M in the year, there would be no issue.
The point is if I said that,
"I make $100,000. a month"
and did not make $1.2M in the year, made, oh I don't know, say, $500,000. or $700,000., then I would be either an idiot or a braggart.
The only person I have ever heard say anything like "I make $10,000. a week" when this does not apply to every week, is you. You added the "but not every week" only after we realized that you didn't even mean every week.
You seem to think that "I make $10,000. a week" does not mean every week. 😅
Beating the dead horse further,would not lead anywhere since you don't seem to understand the inherent contradiction and meaningless of tossing out a definitive "I make" weekly figure, when it doesn't apply to every week.Quote: SOOPOOThat horse is so dead there is no carcass left to beat.
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I made a statement that was particular to the time period it was asked.
That you can't understand that is amazing.
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Not just a dead horse but being beaten by a little angry boy!
I love it!
It's a complete waste of time to try to figure out what "I make $10,000. a week" exactly means when you say it, but if I were to guess, it means that you make (made) a lot less than a half million a year (that year). And if my guess is correct, then your even saying "I make $10,000. a week," is meaningless.
Quote: MDawgI have an accurate mind.
It's a complete waste of time to try to figure out what "I make $10,000. a week" exactly means when you say it, but if I were to guess, it means that you make (made) a lot less than a half million a year (that year). And if my guess is correct, then your even saying "I make $10,000. a week," is meaningless.
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It means I made $10,000 every week I worked and zero every week I didn't work and I didn't work every week of the year.
I understand it's a difficult concept for you.
Quote: darkozQuote: MDawgI have an accurate mind.
It's a complete waste of time to try to figure out what "I make $10,000. a week" exactly means when you say it, but if I were to guess, it means that you make (made) a lot less than a half million a year (that year). And if my guess is correct, then your even saying "I make $10,000. a week," is meaningless.
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It means I made $10,000 every week I worked and zero every week I didn't work and I didn't work every week of the year.
I understand it's a difficult concept for you.
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Preserved, as a snapshot into the DarkOz mind.
Quote: MDawgQuote: darkozQuote: MDawgI have an accurate mind.
It's a complete waste of time to try to figure out what "I make $10,000. a week" exactly means when you say it, but if I were to guess, it means that you make (made) a lot less than a half million a year (that year). And if my guess is correct, then your even saying "I make $10,000. a week," is meaningless.
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It means I made $10,000 every week I worked and zero every week I didn't work and I didn't work every week of the year.
I understand it's a difficult concept for you.
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Preserved, as a snapshot into the DarkOz mind.
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Preserved to show MDawg is unable to get the concept of people not working every week of the year.
His majesty hath decreed that henceforth all income shalt be reported as normalized to the solar year. Use of the sidereal year is deprecated. No other reporting period shalt be countenanced.
Henceforth, teachers shalt not speak of their monthly salaries.
Henceforth, Social Security shalt no longer use thine 35 best-paid years to determine average indexed monthly earnings.
Henceforth, pensions shalt no longer use the average of thine five most recent years to determine your pension payment.
For example, any subject who is hired on the first day of October for a monthly salary of 100 crowns per month shalt state their income as 300 crowns per annum.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
Quote: mcallister3200What a giant douche
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Personal insult. Three-day suspension.
I certainly agree with the importance of this longevity factor.Quote: AxelWolfI know you're talking about but, I can't remember the name, I know they had it at the Stardust for a few days. I know it had like multi-level or multiple-tiered payouts on the pay schedule, almost like it had two different pay schedules, is that the one you're talking about?Quote: DRichQuote: AxelWolf
When it comes to casino games, I think it's going to be much harder to win a lot of money if you have an advantage of the top/ and can beat the game straight up.
Do you remember about 20 years ago Williams put out a funky video poker game that was over 105%? To your point, I don't think anyone got rich on it because it was gone in about two weeks. Sorry, I can't remember the name or really anything about it other than it was very different.
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If we take a look at all American Poker, the 103% version, back in the day, there were very few people who knew the strategy well enough to play it. 50 cents and $1 denominations would pop up once in a while, but it would be gone within three days to a week. It's rare that you'll ever see dollar denomination full-pay deuces, when they do pop up they don't seem to last for very long, and that's only a very small .7 edge. People usually aren't playing them for that .7 edge, they're playing for all the backend stuff, and that's where the real money comes in.
If the advantage is too big, it gets noticed and taken away.
The reason why the advantages that come through playing -EV Games last so long is because there's a disconnect between whoever is making those decisions and marketing. Generally, marketing isn't factored in.
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The example that I would use is the old Pickem Poker game with 99.99% RTP and a simple strategy. If someone is cranking out 10K hands per day, they will hit 3-4 quads per day and they will have almost as many winning days as losing days. The player might have multi-month periods where their W/L statement is in the black. This won't endear you or the game to the slot director.
If you are playing a 98.5% VP game with 1.75% on the back end, you will be appreciated much more than a Pickem player with the same overall edge.
I am showing on the books as a losing player at most of the online casinos that I frequent, unless they look at the promo dollars they sent my way. Some of the W/L statements count the promo dollars as a win. This allows them to see how much I am winning off of them. But most W/L statements don't include promo dollars.
Playing games where you lose a high percentage off the top is a good thing as long as the overall edge is similar. I sometimes choose to play slots versus BJ when BJ pencils out to be somewhat better in terms of EV. Lets say I can either play $50K on slots or $500K on good BJ game to play off a bonus. I might be expected to lose $200 more playing the slot. But the optics of playing their best BJ game might lead to trouble, especially if I win a lot on the play. If I am playing a 96% slot game, I think they will love me regardless of whether I win or lose.
My worst day resulted in a net loss of $51,375. I had three days with net wins greater than $66K. The tails of the distribution tend to be fatter on the winning side than the losing side, but there are many more losing days. That is just the nature of the payoff structure of the games that I play. It sure is fun to be on a slot bonus round heater. Big losing days are usually just a long sad slog.
I feel confident in making the challenge at risk of suspension.
Quote: gordonm888In my opinion, DO's long-ago comment about making $20K/week was valid/acceptable, and any possibility of confusion about what that comment meant has been removed by the persistent hectoring and repeated explanations. I suggest we all just move on, before this becomes capable of being interpreted as harrassment/bullying of DO.
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And hijacking this valuable thread.
Wondering….. have you taught wife/kids/friends how to do this?
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: gordonm888In my opinion, DO's long-ago comment about making $20K/week was valid/acceptable, and any possibility of confusion about what that comment meant has been removed by the persistent hectoring and repeated explanations. I suggest we all just move on, before this becomes capable of being interpreted as harrassment/bullying of DO.
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And hijacking this valuable thread.
Wondering….. have you taught wife/kids/friends how to do this?
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My private life is really none of your business, but yes there have been times when I successfully coached my children on the need to move on from certain grievances. On some infrequent occasions in our long marriage I have also done this with my wife, and, yes, she has coached me in a similar way when she has seen a need to do that.
In this instance I was politely suggesting, in a low-key way, that continuing to harass this member on this topic could eventually be interpreted as an actionable violation of our rules. Not understanding why you take issue.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: SOOPOOQuote: gordonm888In my opinion, DO's long-ago comment about making $20K/week was valid/acceptable, and any possibility of confusion about what that comment meant has been removed by the persistent hectoring and repeated explanations. I suggest we all just move on, before this becomes capable of being interpreted as harrassment/bullying of DO.
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And hijacking this valuable thread.
Wondering….. have you taught wife/kids/friends how to do this?
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My private life is really none of your business, but yes there have been times when I successfully coached my children on the need to move on from certain grievances. On some infrequent occasions in our long marriage I have also done this with my wife, and, yes, she has coached me in a similar way when she has seen a need to do that.
In this instance I was politely suggesting, in a low-key way, that continuing to harass this member on this topic could eventually be interpreted as an actionable violation of our rules. Not understanding why you take issue.
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I don't want to speak for soopoo but I interpreted it as him agreeing with you.
Hijacking the thread I believe referred to the constant needling over my weekly income.
And his question about teaching it to your close ones as this being so positive it should be done everywhere.
Idk maybe that does sound weird. I will let SOOPOO chime in himself.
My MO has been to avoid withdrawing immediately after making a large deposit. This MO is enforced to some degree by the sites themselves. If I try to withdraw while a bonus is outstanding (wagering requirements are not completed), then the site will say I need to forfeit the entire bonus before I can withdraw a penny. I make it a habit to meet all wagering requirements the same day. I might take longer for bonuses with really large wagering requirements. Playing bonuses through quickly makes my accounting easier and reduces the waiting period before I withdraw.
My questions: Have any of you been called out by a site for taking advantage of a deposit bonus that you obviously did not need (you already had a large credit balance)? Have you been called out for taking a deposit bonus and then making an even larger withdrawal as soon as you can? If so, how soon is too soon? I have typically waited 3-5 days before withdrawing particularly large bonuses. But if the deposit bonuses are coming every day, then my credit balance will just keep growing. Figuring out the right balance has been a challenge.
except that it usually takes me 20 seconds to log into the site and opt in to the promo, 40 seconds to open the game and set the denomination and turn turbo on, and 20 seconds to check my new balance and enter the W/L and promo dollars in my accounting spreadsheet.
So, now my hourly rate is reduced to $320 per hour.
If the Player Location Check program needs to be updated, add 3 minutes to the time needed to grab the bonus.
I can time my withdrawals any way I like once I have met wagering requirements for the bonus. But large withdrawals have to be approved by a manager after review. I want to avoid that. I have to do withdrawals frequently enough to keep ahead of the deposits. I have often passed on taking deposit bonuses for a few days just so I could make a withdrawal without looking like I am abusing the promo. But sometimes the bonus is too good to pass up, and then I get way behind on withdrawals.Quote: ChumpChangeCan't you time your withdrawals to like twice a month plus some days after you qualify for a bonus for each withdrawal? I don't know. It's your schedule.
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If I thought I could get away with immediately withdrawing a deposit, I would never have this problem. If I get thrown out of a joint, I miss out on all the potential future profits. My first rule is to do whatever I need to do to stay in the game.
Quote: gordonm888I suggest we all just move on, before this becomes capable of being interpreted as harrassment/bullying of DO.
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And what a shame that would be to harass and bully a member here over some claim they made. Repeating the same things to him over and over and over when you have no way of proving what he said is true or not.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: SOOPOOQuote: gordonm888In my opinion, DO's long-ago comment about making $20K/week was valid/acceptable, and any possibility of confusion about what that comment meant has been removed by the persistent hectoring and repeated explanations. I suggest we all just move on, before this becomes capable of being interpreted as harrassment/bullying of DO.
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And hijacking this valuable thread.
Wondering….. have you taught wife/kids/friends how to do this?
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My private life is really none of your business, but yes there have been times when I successfully coached my children on the need to move on from certain grievances. On some infrequent occasions in our long marriage I have also done this with my wife, and, yes, she has coached me in a similar way when she has seen a need to do that.
In this instance I was politely suggesting, in a low-key way, that continuing to harass this member on this topic could eventually be interpreted as an actionable violation of our rules. Not understanding why you take issue.
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LOL….. I was addressing Mental!
Quote: MentalI have a daily bonus at two sister sites. The EV is around $8 per day. The play takes an average of 10 seconds. So I make $2880 per hour while playing the promo,
except that it usually takes me 20 seconds to log into the site and opt in to the promo, 40 seconds to open the game and set the denomination and turn turbo on, and 20 seconds to check my new balance and enter the W/L and promo dollars in my accounting spreadsheet.
So, now my hourly rate is reduced to $320 per hour.
If the Player Location Check program needs to be updated, add 3 minutes to the time needed to grab the bonus.
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No way I even try and figure out what my ‘hourly’ rate is when I get those easy small opportunities. I just think of it as ‘they just paid me $3 to push a few buttons’.
The best one of those (for me) was a college BBall game that they let you bet $50 on a -10000 favorite at even money. The underdog was +5000 at a different store. Thought about putting $2 down for guaranteed $48. But risked it for the full $50…..
Quote: MentalJanuary 1st is my personal Christmas.
When you play online regularly, the points that you accrue don't expire. I left six months of points accumulate at a few online casinos so the income would not be realized in the 2023 tax year. I used the points at one casino to buy fifteen '$250-2500 guaranteed' scratch off cards. I won over $7000 in 1x bonus cash from these cards. When I played the bonus through, I made a few hundred dollars. I have two other casinos where the most expensive item you can spend your points on is a $25 sports bet or $25 in 1x slot dollars. It takes four mouse clicks to purchase each card. If I purchase more than $400 in bonuses per day, the online bonus store sometimes locks me out for a month. I have enough points to buy 233 bonuses at $25 each, so this will take me most of the week to buy them all and play the bonuses through.
I used to get a 100% $5000 deposit match on New Years Day every year from one casino. This year I got nothing from them, but I got a total of $6000 in deposit matches and special New Year promos from other casinos. I expect to get paid almost $5000 for a loss rebate tomorrow or the day after. I expect to book about $25K of promo dollars by the 4th. It is an open question as to how much I lose playing all this money through on slots. I could easily end up in the red if my luck runs poorly. But January has generally been a big winning month for me every year.
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I believe I got shorted on my loss rebate based on my records. It is hard to see where my records could be wrong. I know how much my balance changed during the promotional period. Most online sites allow you to go back and see your balance before and after each wager. This particular site was rebuilt this year and there are very many flaws in the implementation of the new web site. But the worst change was that there is no longer way to go back more than 1000 transactions in the gaming logs. This is totally inadequate for purposes of dispute resolution. I would like to get paid properly for my loss rebate, but I don't have the ability to provide the complete transaction log for the promo period. The could ask the casino to investigate this for me, but I often let minor discrepancies go unchallenged. Bringing attention to myself or how much money they are paying me for a loss rebate is not in my long term interest.
I still easily exceeded my estimate of how many bonus dollars I would book. However, I am still in the red for the year because I ran bad and lost much more than that. I had clawed myself out of a deep hole yesterday and went into the black. Then, I lost $34K in 45 minutes. You cannot make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
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I don't want any trouble with the one account per household rule. The TOS for many sites also say one promo per household. I do not have any family that lives in a US state where online casino gambling is permitted. I don't know how to make big money on sports betting which is found in many states, otherwise I might try to help them get up to speed. Most of my extended family have no interest in what I do. Some think I am nuts to be willing to risk losing $20K-30K to capture hundreds of dollars of EV. Some just think I am nuts, period.
I originally thought you were referring to teaching my family members to let old grievances die. I have two in-laws who have clinically diagnosed mental health issues. The most annoying manifestation is that they both hold on to past grievances forever. They simply can never move on. They even create fictitious grievances in their own minds. It makes me more self aware if I ever harp on issues from the past that cannot be changed. But I still fall into the trap sometimes.
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MDawg wrote: You may read the detail of every session report at the other forum I post at, but in sum, I had a couple of really bad losing days but I am still way ahead.
[CC notes today: MDawg had a losing day? Was this the first time the forum had heard about it?]
