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December 5th, 2022 at 9:26:04 AM permalink
Hey guys I made a deposit on a sportbetting website and included I have a casino bonus to play with 30x the rollover. What would you genius play it on? Was thinking basic strategy blackjack.

thanks!
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December 5th, 2022 at 9:33:01 AM permalink
I hate Blackjack, but it's a good choice. Just make sure to read through the Terms & Conditions to make sure BJ is not restricted (it often is) and, if not restricted, does not have different playthrough contribution percentage (it often does).

All playthrough percentage being equal, Banker-Baccarat if I wanted to play for speed and Video Poker if I didn't care about speed and was in the mood to play it. Video Poker doesn't even necessarily give up any RTP, depending on the VP and BJ rules/paytable, and if I am in the mood to play VP at all, then I will probably also be betting significantly less per hand than with Blackjack because I hate Blackjack.

Baccarat almost always sacrifices a bit of RTP compared to Blackjack, but it's brainless and it's really difficult to put into words how much I despise playing Blackjack.
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December 5th, 2022 at 9:35:32 AM permalink
ll casino bonuses carry a two-time 30x playthrough requirement on the bonus and released amounts before a withdrawal can be requested, unless stated or advised otherwise for a specific promotion. The rollover multiplier may vary depending on the credit type.
Any unused casino bonuses will be removed if a payout is requested.
Bonuses may be removed at any moment, per Casino Management discretion.
Recycled casino cash bous winnings may not be utilized to complete casino bonus playthrough requirements. BetUS Casino has the authority to reclaim any winnings that seemed fit.
Craps, roulette, Pai Gow poker and baccarat are not playable with bonus chips.
Deposit bonuses expire 14 days after being credited.
Once the player meets the required rollover, the remaining balance of the promotion bonus is released as cash into the player’s account up to the max cap restriction.
Players need to claim all bonuses by contacting BetUS Support on the day of the promotion. BetUS will not issue bonuses retroactively.
Bonuses are for recreational players only and require cash action in the casino before being eligible for a payout.
As a standard, after payouts all casino deposit bonuses will include a three-time maximum release, until the payout amount has been covered.
Casino is intended for recreational play. Management reserves the right to restrict casino access at their discretion.
Casino play through action will only count in the BetUS Casino, Classic Casino, and Slots Zone. Live dealer casino action does not count.
Action on Live Dealer Casino, pontoon, Craps, Roulette, or our daily promotional blackjack and poker tables will not count towards the rollover requirement.
Casino deposit bonuses must be requested at the moment your deposit is verified to your BetUS account. Late casino deposit bonus requests will not be accepted.
As per BetUS Casino Management, any players found utilizing the casino tournaments to to circumvent, winnings will be reprimanded from the casino tournament usage and disabled from its use.
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December 5th, 2022 at 9:41:56 AM permalink
Sounds good. Blackjack works, just do the RTP compared to rollover math and make sure you're expected to profit. I guess you should check the House Edge of the BJ and VP games just to be sure, but online BJ games with a high House Edge are somewhat atypical.
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December 5th, 2022 at 2:58:48 PM permalink
If you're allowed to, I'd bet everything on a single number in roulette. If you win, grind through the 30x on a game with a low house edge. However, most T&C guard against that.
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December 5th, 2022 at 3:57:29 PM permalink
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If you're allowed to, I'd bet everything on a single number in roulette. If you win, grind through the 30x on a game with a low house edge. However, most T&C guard against that.
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Of course, He'd be putting his buy in at considerable risk. One can't just wager the bonus.
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December 5th, 2022 at 4:58:20 PM permalink
Just finished a 15x Rollover Bonus requirement on Draft Kings for a net profit of $607.20 Not a bad return on a $500 deposit with 100% deposit match.

My strategy is two fold:

1) Grind out a $50-$100 profit on a low house edge game like Baccarat or Blackjack. I prefer Baccarat as you can just Martingale on one side until you hit the desired profit number. Since it's 50% free play, your risk of ruin is lower. Try to avoid going beyond 6 marty bets if possible.

*The problem with using JUST this play method is that on most Gambling apps, both Baccarat and Blackjack bets only count for 10% of their actual value, so you play 10x MORE to reach the playthrough requirement. My method is in step 2

2) Play the Slot game Rocket(might have a different on name on different apps, but the mechanics are basically the same) It's a continual progressive rising Bet counter that you can "Bail" or Cashout at any time. My method is ALWAYS Bail at the lowest possible point of 1.01 with a bet between $50-$100(depending on your comfort level). DO NOT play every single round unless you are pressed for time. There is also a NOT so random Instant Kill trigger of 0 seconds or 1.00 times the bet which is always a Losing bet. You can try to best your avoid these but you will hit a handful of these for every 100 rounds. So when you do, I usually play One more round after the Insta Kill trigger hits as it's rare that it hits 1.00 on back to rounds(though I have seen it happen Once), then go back to Bacc. or BJ and grind out another $50-$100, Rinse and Repeat.

The rocket play counts for 100% of the bet and you will clear the play through requirement much faster and with less risk than playing a traditional Reel slot machine or VP game.
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December 5th, 2022 at 8:58:26 PM permalink
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ll casino bonuses carry a two-time 30x playthrough requirement on the bonus and released amounts before a withdrawal can be requested, unless stated or advised otherwise for a specific promotion. The rollover multiplier may vary depending on the credit type.
Any unused casino bonuses will be removed if a payout is requested.
Bonuses may be removed at any moment, per Casino Management discretion.
Recycled casino cash bous winnings may not be utilized to complete casino bonus playthrough requirements. BetUS Casino has the authority to reclaim any winnings that seemed fit.
Craps, roulette, Pai Gow poker and baccarat are not playable with bonus chips.
Deposit bonuses expire 14 days after being credited.
Once the player meets the required rollover, the remaining balance of the promotion bonus is released as cash into the player’s account up to the max cap restriction.
Players need to claim all bonuses by contacting BetUS Support on the day of the promotion. BetUS will not issue bonuses retroactively.
Bonuses are for recreational players only and require cash action in the casino before being eligible for a payout.
As a standard, after payouts all casino deposit bonuses will include a three-time maximum release, until the payout amount has been covered.
Casino is intended for recreational play. Management reserves the right to restrict casino access at their discretion.
Casino play through action will only count in the BetUS Casino, Classic Casino, and Slots Zone. Live dealer casino action does not count.
Action on Live Dealer Casino, pontoon, Craps, Roulette, or our daily promotional blackjack and poker tables will not count towards the rollover requirement.
Casino deposit bonuses must be requested at the moment your deposit is verified to your BetUS account. Late casino deposit bonus requests will not be accepted.
As per BetUS Casino Management, any players found utilizing the casino tournaments to to circumvent, winnings will be reprimanded from the casino tournament usage and disabled from its use.
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This sounds like a casino bonus and not a sports or "cash" bonus. Unless something has changed recently, whenever you take a casino bonus at BetUS it's locked up inside a special bonus casino where you are limited to only certain games on the platform, BetSoft/ Nucleus IIRC.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 6th, 2022 at 5:37:52 AM permalink
that is correct. However every blackjack hand counts fully for the 30x rollover, which i have been doing basic strategy, betting 3 hands @5$ each for a 1250$ bonus. BTW this is all extra because i deposited for the sportsbook, but got 150% bonus on sports, and 50% on casino.
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December 6th, 2022 at 5:54:32 AM permalink
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that is correct. However every blackjack hand counts fully for the 30x rollover, which i have been doing basic strategy, betting 3 hands @5$ each for a 1250$ bonus. BTW this is all extra because i deposited for the sportsbook, but got 150% bonus on sports, and 50% on casino.
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Their BetSoft BJ(or a different brand?) contributes 100% to the WR?

Interestingly, their casino bonus terms exclude BJ, Baccarat, Roulette, Pai Gow, and craps. So be careful as it may be counting down the WRs, but they may not allow you to withdraw if they notice.

Technically, since it's a sports bonus the casino bonus rules may not restrict table games.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 6th, 2022 at 8:42:31 AM permalink
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that is correct. However every blackjack hand counts fully for the 30x rollover, which i have been doing basic strategy, betting 3 hands @5$ each for a 1250$ bonus. BTW this is all extra because i deposited for the sportsbook, but got 150% bonus on sports, and 50% on casino.
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Their BetSoft BJ(or a different brand?) contributes 100% to the WR?

Interestingly, their casino bonus terms exclude BJ, Baccarat, Roulette, Pai Gow, and craps. So be careful as it may be counting down the WRs, but they may not allow you to withdraw if they notice.

Technically, since it's a sports bonus the casino bonus rules may not restrict table games.
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''Craps, roulette, Pai Gow poker and baccarat are not playable with bonus chips.'' Blackjack isn't blacklisted so should work. will update this post once i'm done!
i'm playind their blackjack in the ''classic casino''if that matters, no shoe or anything, S17
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December 6th, 2022 at 12:35:32 PM permalink
Update:: I finished the rollover on the freeplay, the remaining of the funds have been transferered to my cash balance which i will use on sports betting. The casino free play was 1250$, i ended up with 476$, betting 3 hands of 5$/hand playing BS. I should have ended up with more but that variance seems within norms. Made a few misclicks here and there as one do when playing quickly.
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December 6th, 2022 at 6:21:06 PM permalink
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Update:: I finished the rollover on the freeplay, the remaining of the funds have been transferered to my cash balance which i will use on sports betting. The casino free play was 1250$, i ended up with 476$, betting 3 hands of 5$/hand playing BS. I should have ended up with more but that variance seems within norms. Made a few misclicks here and there as one do when playing quickly.
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I can't remember exactly what deal I got from them, I don't get any more bonuses from them, I'm on what they call makeup. They want me to deposit the equivalent of my cashouts/profits, not sure, but it was some nonsense like that.

I take it the sports portion rollover isn't 30x, It's 15x? Assuming no line shopping or reduced juice the sports betting should be breaking even. Your profit/+EV comes from the extra 50% given in the casino.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 7th, 2022 at 3:50:58 AM permalink
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Update:: I finished the rollover on the freeplay, the remaining of the funds have been transferered to my cash balance which i will use on sports betting. The casino free play was 1250$, i ended up with 476$, betting 3 hands of 5$/hand playing BS. I should have ended up with more but that variance seems within norms. Made a few misclicks here and there as one do when playing quickly.
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I can't remember exactly what deal I got from them, I don't get any more bonuses from them, I'm on what they call makeup. They want me to deposit the equivalent of my cashouts/profits, not sure, but it was some nonsense like that.

I take it the sports portion rollover isn't 30x, It's 15x? Assuming no line shopping or reduced juice the sports betting should be breaking even. Your profit/+EV comes from the extra 50% given in the casino.
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The rollover on sports is indeed 15x, but i have also a 150% bonus there as well or 3750$ in freebets to put in 14 days, which i should convert about half into cash. total EV of that deposit should bet around 2200$ assuming i'm breakin even on the sportsbets.
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December 23rd, 2022 at 3:17:05 PM permalink
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Hey guys I made a deposit on a sportbetting website and included I have a casino bonus to play with 30x the rollover. What would you genius play it on? Was thinking basic strategy blackjack.
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I have rolled over large amounts of bonuses at a dozen online casinos. BJ is never the best option for me because every casino that has a high WR also has a 10% contribution from BJ. Even with a good BJ game with 0.38% HE it is easy to find a slot game that is superior in terms of expected loss. Playing $15K through a 97% RTP slot game is much better than playing $150K on BJ. I can sometime just put it on auto-play and walk away. I might have to do several different auto-plays to hit the total WR on the nose. For example (100+500+1000 spins)x$10 for a $16K WR, but it only takes a second to restart each auto-play and the game counts the spins for me. No BJ game that I know of counts my action for me.
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December 23rd, 2022 at 6:42:48 PM permalink
As an option slot "Gonzos Quest", RTP 96%, Probability of the win combination any size 41.1%
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December 24th, 2022 at 4:08:24 AM permalink
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As an option slot "Gonzos Quest", RTP 96%, Probability of the win combination any size 41.1%
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Look out for evolution live carnival games such as lightning dice, crazy time, monopoly and gonzos treasure. at about 96% rtp you can pop them on autoplay and they won't mind you betting both sides. 100% contribution
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December 24th, 2022 at 4:31:15 AM permalink
BJ counted fully towards the rollover so I did that!
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December 24th, 2022 at 4:44:50 AM permalink
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BJ counted fully towards the rollover so I did that!
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I've had casinos make that oversight. Then it becomes a no-brainer,
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December 24th, 2022 at 5:04:50 AM permalink
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BJ counted fully towards the rollover so I did that!
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I've had casinos make that oversight. Then it becomes a no-brainer,
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I would still use my brain and look for better games than BJ.
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December 24th, 2022 at 11:09:03 AM permalink
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BJ counted fully towards the rollover so I did that!
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I've had casinos make that oversight. Then it becomes a no-brainer,
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I would still use my brain and look for better games than BJ.
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A game with 99.6% return low variance and 100% contribution..... I would stop looking for better games pretty quickly $:o)
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