how Sky Bet catfished a problem gambler

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Sky Bet is a British gambling app


from the article:


"Records show that Sky Bet had what amounted to a dossier of information about Gregg. The company, or one of the data providers it had hired to collect information about users, had access to banking records, mortgage details, location coordinates, "


it is likely U.S. Apps do the same thing



https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/24/technology/gambling-apps-tracking.html



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i thought this information about any casino player - online or off has this information readily available. its all about opting into the players club cards at land casinos and by law if your gambling over the internet you have to give your valid government id and from that point its a matter of how much money you have and where to get the data about you from.

yeah this industry is just so overhyped - lets sign up for an app and not read the privacy policy

https://support.skybet.com/s/article/Cookies-Policy-Privacy-Notice#information_from_you

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Information we get from external companies
To help us comply with our legal and regulatory obligations , when you open your account we share information (in the UK and Germany) with a Credit Reference Agency called TransUnion who process your data in accordance with their Privacy Notice (available here ) and, in the UK, with GB Group plc. This does not involve data about your credit standing or ‘credit score’.

Sometimes we need to undertake additional checks to verify information or, once an account is active, to investigate activity that could indicate a risk. To do this we use organisations and databases (such as Iovation, Inc.) which collate information and make it commercially available for use in crime prevention and detection, the promotion of safer gambling and ensuring the fair use of services. We also look at publicly available information to verify things like occupation status or property ownership, and at social media. Where a UK customer self-excludes through the ‘GAMSTOP’ national self-exclusion scheme, we will receive a notification of this, which we will use only to ensure their wish to self-exclude is applied across our sites and apps. We may in future subscribe to similar national self-exclusion schemes in any of the countries in which we operate, and we will update this policy to let you know.

Like many companies, from time to time we may supplement the information we hold about you with data from companies such as Experian and/or the Royal Mail that collate and update address and household information from a range of sources and make it commercially available. This helps us keep our records up to date, fill gaps in our data, complete affordability checks and learn more about our customers so we can continue to improve our products and services. We will only work with reputable organisations that obtain their data legally in accordance with data protection law.

Occasionally, we obtain lists of potential customers from companies that collate these details and make them commercially available for marketing purposes. We only deal with reputable companies that take privacy as seriously as we do and have obtained your consent to share this data with us or companies in our sector for marketing, and you will always be able to opt out of receiving further marketing from us.

If we acquire another business, we will usually obtain customer information as part of the handover process. In this case, we or the other company will let you know that your personal information is changing hands, provide you with a copy of this privacy policy after completion of the acquisition, and explain what to do if you do not wish your information to change hands

Quote: lilredrooster

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Sky Bet is a British gambling app


from the article:


"Records show that Sky Bet had what amounted to a dossier of information about Gregg. The company, or one of the data providers it had hired to collect information about users, had access to banking records, mortgage details, location coordinates, "


it is likely U.S. Apps do the same thing



https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/24/technology/gambling-apps-tracking.html



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Thank you for the article. Obviously, this is a terrible thing. With that being said, there's an opportunity to be had here for Advantage players, especially, if you know what they are willing to offer to "get him back" and what it takes to trigger the "get him back" treatment(with some experimenting, one could figure some of this out). I know you like the horses, if I recall correctly, you said you are a winning horse bettor overall? Now just imagine if you had knowledge of what it takes to get the "get him back" offers at multiple nonassociated online casinos. Assuming generous"get him back" offers your profits just went up significantly.

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I know you like the horses, if I recall correctly, you said you are a winning horse bettor overall?

thank you for your comments
however, I have never said that

if you go back many years you will see that when I first started posting at gambling forums I posted about some of my results

several years ago I decided that I 𝘄𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗻𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝗮𝗴𝗮𝗶𝗻 post my results from any one bet or series of bets or long term

I realized that there are way too many liars out there telling tales about their results

so, I do not want to be a member of a group (gamblers posting results) that has so many liars as its' members




Note: it's possible I violated or forgot my policy and did post the results of a couple of individual bets over the last few years
if I did that, and I'm not sure if I did, it will never happen again



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Quote: heatmap

i thought this information about any casino player - online or off has this information readily available. its all about opting into the players club cards at land casinos and by law if your gambling over the internet you have to give your valid government id and from that point its a matter of how much money you have and where to get the data about you from.

I can see if you request a marker they have a right to this info - or some of it - just as any creditor would

but sorry, if you've taken no marker I can't see them having a right to know how much is in your bank account or how much your mortgage is or 𝘭𝘰𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘥𝘢𝘵𝘢 which I assume means knowing your GPS location - that seems to me to be way over the top



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Quote: lilredrooster

I can see if you request a marker they have a right to this info - or some of it - just as any creditor would

but sorry, if you've taken no marker I can't see them having a right to know how much is in your bank account or how much your mortgage is or 𝘭𝘰𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘥𝘢𝘵𝘢 which I assume means knowing your GPS location - that seems to me to be way over the top



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if they have your id - they can pay any service that already collected your info for more info on you - they dont even need your id for the matter. i can do it personally for a girl i just met or an employee im hiring. its my choice, and theirs if they want, and iim sorry you think they shouldnt be able to do that. these data services can be asked to remove your data so they dont target you specifically, but there is nothing you can do from someone randomly sending you an advertisement in your mail or collecting data on you in general.

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i mean i dont know if you know how easy it is to find actual personal information on some of you on here based on your posts

and the fact that you posted it and you cant delete it makes it a powerful tool in many ways

the more i read this article the madder i get because of how people have this "moral" expectation ill call it - they think that whatever they deem moral or something that they wouldnt do personally as something that someone else wouldnt do

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intimate portrait of his habits wagering on slots and soccer matches.

sensationalist crap

Quote: lilredrooster

thank you for your comments
however, I have never said that

if you go back many years you will see that when I first started posting at gambling forums I posted about some of my results

several years ago I decided that I 𝘄𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗻𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝗮𝗴𝗮𝗶𝗻 post my results from any one bet or series of bets or long term

I realized that there are way too many liars out there telling tales about their results

so, I do not want to be a member of a group (gamblers posting results) that has so many liars as its' members




Note: it's possible I violated or forgot my policy and did post the results of a couple of individual bets over the last few years
if I did that, and I'm not sure if I did, it will never happen again



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I wasn't trying to open any old wounds. You just happened to be the person I was responding to and I know you to be a horse bettor so I was using it as an example. My point was that there is probably a good opportunity here that's +EV. Especially if you are making money already or even close one way or the other.

Quote: lilredrooster

...Sky Bet is a British gambling app...it is likely U.S. Apps do the same thing...

I don't know all the details but the regulations in the UK are very tight, for instance advertisements have to reference a self-help organisation (e.g. begambleaware). They also have to follow the Money Laundering regulations so have to check out where large sums have come from, and I'd guess do similar reporting that banks do. Thus most places, even if you join a land-based casino, will probably check you out.

I have no idea what the rules are in the US, but that's why the UK have to do it.