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February 28th, 2019 at 6:42:00 AM permalink
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Some games come with "extra value" when first installed (or after hard-reset)...which can be +EV (over 100% for at least 1 spin).



That is what happened with this play, except every new player that signed up got to play the game in the reset state, which had a huge advantage.

As to the players, I hear every casino except one has paid them.
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February 28th, 2019 at 7:17:19 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

That is what happened with this play, except every new player that signed up got to play the game in the reset state, which had a huge advantage.

As to the players, I hear every casino except one has paid them.



Do you know which one?

Im guessing Ceasars since the game was interrupted mid-action wben they took it down. They might have some argument although booking action and pulling the plug midgame is not my idea of a malfunction voids all pays and plays

If its Borgata thats just horrible business. The DGE will probably have to step in
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February 28th, 2019 at 7:21:19 AM permalink
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ďWe then let all of our friends know about this crazy game,Ē Jay says, ďand pretty much everybody we knew flew in and made deposits.Ē

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well, we know "Jay" is not Axel
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February 28th, 2019 at 7:24:00 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Do you know which one?

Im guessing Ceasars since the game was interrupted mid-action wben they took it down. They might have some argument although booking action and pulling the plug midgame is not my idea of a malfunction voids all pays and plays

If its Borgata thats just horrible business. The DGE will probably have to step in



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February 28th, 2019 at 7:53:45 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

Borgata



They have mastered the art of the freeroll. Though I disagreed with the outcome of the Phil Ivey case, I did think that situation was questionable enough that I didnít fault Borgata for trying their luck in court. However, this case is very clear cut. No manipulation of procedures/rules occurred. Players simply played the game that was presented to them by the casino. The fact that the game (by design) offered players a 100%+ edge on the first few spins has no bearing on Borgataís obligation to pay.

I would imagine theyíll be forced to pay, either by a court or the DGE.
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February 28th, 2019 at 8:08:53 AM permalink
I heard the APs were all wearing masks in their hotel rooms while doing this move for added protection:)
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February 28th, 2019 at 9:54:08 PM permalink
Pulling the plug mid-spin is a state accounted for in the Nevada rules for brick and motar casinos. A chip is supposed to record the outcome of the last spin, and return the screen to the correct position when the power is switched back on. I would assume NJ has a similar requirement for their gaming license holders, even if the casino is online. However, because the game will not be turned back on, the outcome of possible bonus spins cannot be known for sure.
Some sort of fine is in order for the operator, as pulling the plug because you think you are going to lose is akin to the Pit Boss grabbing a spinning die off the craps table because he thinks it is going come up a winner. Itís cheating.
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March 1st, 2019 at 11:04:56 AM permalink
So I guess the only thing worse than not knowing about this is knowing about it and not playing it. I knew this several months ago. So on the regular game it started with a bubble on reel one, one from the top and one bubble below reel 4. On bubble boost it was the same on one and the other bubble was below reel 5. So you basically just do 3-4 spins per denom all the way up. The bubbles are then saved to your account. Itís only about 40 spins total per account, assuming more bubbles donít appear. I believe this is how it starts when the game is installed in the casino but of course denoms only go up to a few dollars so itís no sweat. I think Egypt starts with one coin per reel when first installed. I would definitely play that at a few hundred a spin. I played Magic at a few places up to about $50. I think I won a couple hundred then gave it back. I just didnít see how it was positive and trust me I would find an excuse to play anything. I was told donít play bubbles on the fourth reel alone. That leaves only one spin with one bubble on the top of reel one. I didnít see it. Obviously I was wrong. But playing Ocean for $2000 a spin is no joke. The game pays very poorly when you miss, especially bubble boost.
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March 1st, 2019 at 11:47:02 AM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

So I guess the only thing worse than not knowing about this is knowing about it and not playing it. I knew this several months ago. So on the regular game it started with a bubble on reel one, one from the top and one bubble below reel 4. On bubble boost it was the same on one and the other bubble was below reel 5. So you basically just do 3-4 spins per denom all the way up. The bubbles are then saved to your account. Itís only about 40 spins total per account, assuming more bubbles donít appear. I believe this is how it starts when the game is installed in the casino but of course denoms only go up to a few dollars so itís no sweat. I think Egypt starts with one coin per reel when first installed. I would definitely play that at a few hundred a spin. I played Magic at a few places up to about $50. I think I won a couple hundred then gave it back. I just didnít see how it was positive and trust me I would find an excuse to play anything. I was told donít play bubbles on the fourth reel alone. That leaves only one spin with one bubble on the top of reel one. I didnít see it. Obviously I was wrong. But playing Ocean for $2000 a spin is no joke. The game pays very poorly, especially bubble boost.



With regard to GE, I looked at that after this article came out because my mind went straight there. Sadly, they seem to have fixed that issue and no longer have a coin at the top of each column. I'm not sure when that changed or if it was ever the case. But it doesn't start in a playable condition anymore - not online anyway.
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March 1st, 2019 at 12:58:54 PM permalink
Quote: cwazy

With regard to GE, I looked at that after this article came out because my mind went straight there. Sadly, they seem to have fixed that issue and no longer have a coin at the top of each column. I'm not sure when that changed or if it was ever the case. But it doesn't start in a playable condition anymore - not online anyway.

Iíve never seen GE at an online casino. Thatís just what I heard they start out when set up at regular casinos but Iíve never seen it.

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