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Chuckleberry
February 27th, 2019 at 5:39:07 PM permalink
I figure somebody will bring up this article that came out today, so may as well be me: ONE WEEK, ONE MILLION DOLLARS: ADVANTAGE PLAYERS FIGHTING FOR THEIR WINNINGS AT NJ ONLINE CASINOS. If anyone has any questions about the game or why this play was so profitable, I'm happy to discuss it.

The question for the poll is what do you think about the article?
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February 27th, 2019 at 5:59:13 PM permalink
I wish I would luck into one of these one day. I wonder if the most feared AP on the east coast was involved?
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February 27th, 2019 at 6:03:25 PM permalink
I played ocean magic once and Iím surprised the game was ever over 100% with the bubbles.
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February 27th, 2019 at 6:06:36 PM permalink
Great article. My dream would be for the players to put a lien on the casino for defaulting on their debts
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February 27th, 2019 at 6:52:08 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I wish I would luck into one of these one day. I wonder if the most feared AP on the east coast was involved?



Thanks for the compliment

But no. Had no idea it was going on. I missed out on that one

It doesn't surprise me as most of the players were notified by word of mouth in the AP community. My team is pretty separate and doesn't share info incoming or outgoing

So I am destined to miss opportunities like this one

And I WAS in AC that week :(
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February 27th, 2019 at 8:40:53 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

I played ocean magic once and Iím surprised the game was ever over 100% with the bubbles.



It was. I may be writing a page about it later.
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February 27th, 2019 at 10:41:37 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

Great article. My dream would be for the players to put a lien on the casino for defaulting on their debts



I agree that would be fun to see. More likely than not though, they'll eventually settle out of court for more than it would have cost them to just pay. Based on the article, it looks like this play was as clean as it gets...it seems that it was enabled by a massive blunder on the part of its creator, IGT. I'd be quite surprised if there isn't some sort of lawsuit or private settlement between IGT and the casinos involved to reimburse them for their losses. Borgata successfully sued the card manufacturer in the Phil Ivey case (though they were only awarded $26 out of the $9.9 million they sought), and I'd imagine the case against IGT is far stronger than the case against Gemaco was.
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February 27th, 2019 at 11:04:32 PM permalink
Quote: cwazy

Based on the article, it looks like this play was as clean as it gets...it seems that it was enabled by a massive blunder on the part of its creator, IGT.

Some games come with "extra value" when first installed (or after hard-reset)...which can be +EV (over 100% for at least 1 spin). One game used to deliver with a lot of "extra value", but the manufacturer reduced the starting "extra value". Not sure why manufacturers do this...maybe an incentive to get people to play a new game?

IGT's mistake here was allowing
(1) extra value (over 100%) on-line for EVERY player.
(2) extra value (over 100%) for high denominations.
cwazy
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February 27th, 2019 at 11:31:52 PM permalink
Quote: mamat

Some games come with "extra value" when first installed (or after hard-reset)...which can be +EV (over 100% for at least 1 spin). One game used to deliver with a lot of "extra value", but the manufacturer reduced the starting "extra value". Not sure why manufacturers do this...maybe an incentive to get people to play a new game?

IGT's mistake here was allowing
(1) extra value (over 100%) on-line for EVERY player.
(2) extra value (over 100%) for high denominations.



I understood the flaw. I was saying that doing it this way is a massive blunder. Maybe there is a legal/regulatory reason they do it? It's an interesting problem, because they couldn't just shuffle the reels at each reset either, otherwise online players would just reload the game until the conditions were favorable - which would have been an even bigger problem than the one they had here because each player could have played many more spins with an edge. So the reset state has to be something consistent. But I'm not sure why they chose a reset state that would give such a huge edge, especially since most players wouldn't know what they were looking at even when the game is favorable.
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February 27th, 2019 at 11:54:58 PM permalink
Since it was part of the poll, I have already asked about a place to stay during the eclipse in 2024. The guy seemed to say I could use it if he was still alive...

On topic, I will be interested in how this all comes out.

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