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March 8th, 2018 at 2:23:24 PM permalink
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OnceDear

No offence, mate. I take all your post as BRAGGING. You win so easily, a lot like in that 21 movie. Even if you bet only on sports, you win too easily and that’s way you cash out too easily. As for blog, methinks of it as BRAG. That’s my opinion from this side of the Puond… er, Pond…



You directly accused him of losing money twice in your post prior to that, how do you want him to respond?

I'm quickly losing my patience with you and you're clearly Trolling, consider this your last Warning prior to a ban.

QFP:

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I betcha you losing money in your online gambling endeavours. Supposed you win from time to time? Do your favorite Brexit casinos invoke the “terms and conditions”:

What if there ain’t wheat at all? Most of what you read on the subject describes CHAFF. Methinks your positive outlook is related to your winning insignificantly (and therefore losing quite a bit).

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March 8th, 2018 at 2:45:12 PM permalink
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NO doubt one can easily spot the representatives of online casinos in this thread. To be fair, I do accept they have a right to present their position. Mission146, beachbumbabs, AxelWolf are undoubtedly in this category.

I take offense to that, its the furthest thing from the truth(however, I am open to offers).

I see the problem here. You seem to do very little research and you just assume certain things. I have a feeling that's exactly what happened when you made your deposit at that casino.

If you care to take the time and search my posts regarding online casinos you will find out that I don't think any online casino is beyond reproach no matter how good their reputation is (some are just better than others). I DO believe faxback forms are more of a stall tactic than anything else(it's very irritating). I do believe many of them add in shady terms and conditions. I DON'T believe their RNG's are always fair.

It's the wild wild west when it comes to online gambling, but if you are a skilled motivated gunfighter you can make money playing online casinos. If you are first-time gun handler you are probably going to shoot yourself in the foot and then you will blame it on the gun.


I dislike it when anyone claims all online casinos should be avoided all the time, they never pay, they always cheat and you can never win. That's total BS.

I also dislike it when people downplay their shenanigans and sweep things under the rug. They should be called out, shamed and blacklisted whenever they pull some BS. Unfortunately, that never seems to happen. They just pass the blame or claim it was a legitimate mistake and then carry on as of it never happened and in many cases, the affiliates do the same. If the affiliates didn't tolerate it, the casinos would go out of business.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
weezrDASvegas
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March 8th, 2018 at 2:45:51 PM permalink
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Mmmmkay, so now everyone here with an ounce of everyday commonsense judgment knows what the OP is up to, without any need to resort to a label that isn't allowed under the rules here...
But. Some of the replies are more egregious, given where they come from, and should be corrected here. I don't give enough of a flying fork about this forum to engage in any back forth at all, so I won't, but just to raise a red flag & provoke anyone stumbling across this to investigate further, and be a bit more diligent than impulsive gambling web--forum denizens.

The assertion that those withdrawal requirements would be anything like normal, outside of the unique world of the little Bannannastan based offshore enterprises that choose to operate in the US outside of the law & regulatory requirements (and are therefore banned by reciprocal agreement in most other countries) is complete utter nonsense.

This is what is actually required to cash out from the licensed legitimate online sites which do not operate illegally in the United States:

A) In person at a brick and mortar location within the State where where they are licensed to operate, as follows: 1. show up; 2. show a license or other gov't issued picture ID at the cashier window; 3. sign a withdrawal slip; and receive IMMEDIATE payment in cash, as REQUIRED BY GAMING REGULATORS. In Nevada this is how all transactions involving any type of online betting accounts normally occur (outside of some special circumstances) and this is also readily available for all legal online gambling accounts in the US (definitely including NJ - since that State's legal gambling was specifically alleged to require jumping through the same ludicrous transparently shady hoops).

B) Elsewhere ( again notably NJ) as an alternative choice in addition to in-person cash withdrawal: In order to be paid either by mail in the form of a check made out to the account owner and sent to their address of record in the account, or else by an electronic "ACH" transfer (the Automated Clearing House network used by all legitimate financial institutions) to the bank account you chose to link to your online account with the nine digit ABA routing number + account number, or other of several other options of your choice, requires the following procedure: 1. log into your account using your online account ID & password, 2. type in the amount; 3. select your preferred method of payment; 4. and click. Period. Done.

NO licensed gambling site in the US requires anything like the transparently ridiculous bullspit described in the OP, nor will they. Not only because almost nobody would be stupid enough to do business with them, but more importantly because they can't. To do so would mean fines, license suspensions, and potentially license revocations. I've got multiple online betting account from which I've withdrawn funds many times, and I've read the gaming regs which are readily available online from the the relevant State licensing authorities (or simply by ASKING for chrissakes) including NJ DGE (New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement) & the NGCB (Nevada Gaming Control Board).

Given the inevitable potential for conflicts of interest & unavoidable uncertainty about the integrity of information that naturally arises due to the nature of the ownership of this site, I think the people publicly associated with this forum would be wise to avoid the usual temptation around here to make up crap, to avoid earning a really unsavory reputation for all connected with it.



DrawingDead

You must be a representative of the formidable Nevada Gaming Control Board, the legal division.

My Mafia expression in the middle of Las Vegas refers to unacceptable practices by the Nevada casinos. The law that provides refusal of service for any reason is definitely against the U.S. Constitution.

That law is an “umbrella” protecting the casinos for performing despicable acts. Back-rooming — isn’t it kinduva mafia act? C’mon, man! The pretext? Trespassing! In truth, it is winning that triggers back-rooming.

Why doesn’t every Nevada casino post a clearly visible sign that specifies “Winning is not allowed here”? I went too far? Well, then, post this sign at every casino entrance: “You may be asked to leave the premises if winning by standards unacceptable by the management!”

Otherwise, I agree with your points regarding the procedures employed by the online casinos. You too agreed with me that the practices I described here are NOT acceptable in the United States. I described practices common to non-U.S.-based online casinos.

Now, I am still skeptical. You described practices by the U.S.-based online casinos that belong to the ideal realm. Is real-life in accordance with the excellent legal standards you presented? I read in these forums complaints leveled at the 888 casino, for example. Isn’t it a United States based and regulated online casino? An 888 customer complained that the casino refused to pay his winnings on the grounds of martingaling!!! What? So it seems the online gambler is still slave to the whims of the casinos.

Would you put your reputation on the line and recommend U.S.-regulated online casinos to be highly trusted? Thanks in advance.

Should I use another satirical expression — New Mafia Jersey? Here I come, Sopranos…
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March 8th, 2018 at 2:54:05 PM permalink
Just for the record, I also said this in direct response to you a couple of months ago:

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Besides that, you can just play it through and leave whereas online casinos have Terms & Conditions, the most relevant of which are the playthrough requirements. Feel free to read some of my articles. In many cases, you're better off NOT to take a bonus because you can cash out anytime. Sometimes, the playthrough requirements combined with wager restrictions make any possibility aside from losing money almost impossible.



I sure as Hell wouldn't pay me to, "Represent," online casinos if that's the way I'm going to do it. It's true, though, some bonuses have a mathematical expectation of losing the bonus funds AND the deposit (more than, actually) prior to ever completing the WR's. Those bonuses suck and the player would be better off not to take the bonus. I believe I have said that any time I run across any such bonus.
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March 8th, 2018 at 3:00:27 PM permalink
Mission146 & AxelWolf:

I am really sorry if naming you casino employees offended you.

You rebutted me in describing unacceptable practices by online casinos. Another member in the know - DrawingDead – agreed that such acts are unacceptable. Such acts are even punished in the United States. He further presented excellent regulations that U.S.-based online casinos must abide by. I still had some reservation, as methinks the U.S.-based online casinos are too good to be true. But I’ll give it a try. Whats a couple hundred dollars among friends?!

DrawingDead’s post is on page #4, my reply is on page #5 of this red-hot thread.

No offence, fellas! And no hard feelings!

As for those “Terms & Conditions” I can see them on the ads here.
“T&C's apply” Mouse over, the line is highlighted as if a URL, click on it – it goes nowhere!

Read DrawingDead’s post. Even if the T&C are crystal-clear and easily accessible, some practices are absolutely unacceptable. They might as well be punishable if followed by a U.S. regulated online casino.

Tonight or tomorrow (my birthday… thanks!) I am gonna watch “Good Fellas” and “Casino” by the great Martin Scorsese.

Best of luck, fellas!
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March 8th, 2018 at 3:14:02 PM permalink
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Mission146 & AxelWolf:

I am really sorry if naming you casino employees offended you.

You rebutted me in describing unacceptable practices by online casinos. Another member in the know - DrawingDead – agreed that such acts are unacceptable. Such acts are even punished in the United States. He further presented excellent regulations that U.S.-based online casinos must abide by. I still had some reservation, as methinks the U.S.-based online casinos are too good to be true. But I’ll give it a try. Whats a couple hundred dollars among friends?!

DrawingDead’s post is on page #4, my reply is on page #5 of this red-hot thread.

No offence, fellas! And no hard feelings!

As for those “Terms & Conditions” I can see them on the ads here.
“T&C's apply” Mouse over, the line is highlighted as if a URL, click on it – it goes nowhere!

Read DrawingDead’s post. Even the T&C are crystal-clear and easily accessible, some practices are absolutely unacceptable. They might as well be punishable if followed by a U.S. regulated online casino.

Tonight or tomorrow (my birthday… thanks!) I am gonna watch “Good Fellas” and “Casino” by the great Martin Scorsese.

Best of luck, fellas!

Calling one a casino employee around here is like saying someone rides the short bus (just kidding casino employees).

You were basically saying that we were being dishonest because we worked for the online casinos and we were trying to protect them.

It's all good.

Now, what can we do for you? Do you have any real questions or concerns you want to discuss? What's the real issue?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 8th, 2018 at 3:38:29 PM permalink
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OnceDear

No offence, mate. I take all your post as BRAGGING. You win so easily, a lot like in that 21 movie. Even if you bet only on sports, you win too easily and that’s way you cash out too easily. As for blog, methinks of it as BRAG. That’s my opinion from this side of the Puond… er, Pond…

No offence taken. You made certain statements about my wins and losses, so I replied with some level of evidence. I often offer full evidence to moderators here or selected members, simply because some of my stories are over the top.

Is it bragging to say quite openly that I've won and lost a few thousand? That I play for amusement and generate the odd anecdote? Heck, I even post a chart that shows that I've had massive losing streaks where I turned 18k into 4k. Not much to brag about there. Don't you like that my posts and my blog don't care to report in detail the times I sat with a JD in hand and lost >£1000 in an hour online. Don't you find anything amusing in my posts or blog? Well. rhetorical questions... I don't particularly care about your opinion. Your attitude sucks though.

You ruin your own fairly valid points by trashing the replies that we take the trouble to write. Calling members here representatives of the online casinos shows an incredible lack of research or reading comprehension skills on your part.

I personally wouldn't trust the casino you point to. It does not provide a postal address or business name for the business that you are doing business with. I don't particularly like their terms. but they are what they are. Hardly surprising that their identification requirements are strongly tilted in their favour, when they are in no position to take any problems caused by you to any convenient legal authorities.

So, they probably don't comply with US laws. They don't have to, any more than Vladimir Putin when he goes on holiday to the Black Sea.

Again. No-one forced you to use that casino. It seems obvious you have issues with the way they treated you. Fair enough. Relate your warning to others. But don't downplay your own ignorance of what you were daft enough to sign up to. You turn a reasonable warning into a hatchet job.

Oh. By the way, I was bragging on behalf of the UK tax authorities that stay away from my gambling transactions. But then your post did sort of deride the UK and you did strongly imply that the business practices, the zero fees and Paypal transactions were not truths. Well, matey, That's the way it is. But don't come to live here, it rains a lot and we won't have sympathy for you if you catch the flu. You'd get free medical treatment though :o) Sorry. bragging again.

Incidentally, you misquoted my own post about 888 refusing to pay me because of Martingaling. It was I that simply pointed out the stupid term in their conditions. I understand that Wizard picked up the rule in an article. 888 did refuse to pay me under different circumstances not related to Marty, so I took my bankroll elsewhere.
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March 8th, 2018 at 3:39:53 PM permalink
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I am really sorry if naming you casino employees offended you.

You rebutted me in describing unacceptable practices by online casinos. Another member in the know - DrawingDead – agreed that such acts are unacceptable. Such acts are even punished in the United States. He further presented excellent regulations that U.S.-based online casinos must abide by. I still had some reservation, as methinks the U.S.-based online casinos are too good to be true. But I’ll give it a try. Whats a couple hundred dollars among friends?!



It didn't offend me, the inherent allegation that I, or anyone else, was speaking in the realm of any sort of bias that we would be paid to have offended me.

Here are a few U.S. online casino regulations I mentioned in an earlier post:

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Withdrawals requested within the same 24 hour period, via the same payment method, may be combined as one payment.

Your authorization or some documentation, is required to process your withdrawal requests, and we may ask that you sign a list of your previous deposits with us.

888casino reserves the right to delay and/or stop the processing of withdrawal requests until final approval has been received for any outstanding deposit transactions.

Please see 888casino Withdrawal Policy.

Bonuses may be withdrawn only after all Bonus Policy requirements have been satisfied.

There are no fees for any of our withdrawal services.



---There you have them saying that some documentation may be needed to process the withdrawal. I don't know what documentation that may be as it is not directly stated there.

---The list of previous deposits to be signed is effectively the same as the authorization form you are being asked to sign, and exists for the same reason.

Again, this is 888Casino New Jersey. I do note that there are no fees, but unfortunately, the way the Federal Government has operated with UIGEA is such that the casinos cannot directly deal with U.S. banks anymore, at least, not if the banks know that is the purpose of the transaction. Therefore, costly third-party payment providers must be used to accept the deposits and making the withdrawals is also a lengthy and costly procedure. Were it not for the UIGEA, all of these things would likely be free because they could just deal with your bank or credit card company (which is technically a bank itself) directly.

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As for those “Terms & Conditions” I can see them on the ads here.
“T&C's apply” Mouse over, the line is highlighted as if a URL, click on it – it goes nowhere!



Click on the site for the casino in question and then the Terms & Conditions are there. Besides, do we advertise for them?

https://wizardofodds.com/online-gambling/casino-reviews/GTbets/

As you can see, GTBets scores pretty poorly overall across our family of sites and is NOT a Wizard of Odds APPROVED Casino. I wrote the banking section of the review, I believe Wizard wrote the rest, and the banking section states:

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Depositing and Withdrawing when in the US
GTBets Casino stands for GameTime Casino, not that most players actually care that much considering this casino, operating since 2011, only gets an average LCB User Score of 3 out of 5. That’s a really low score for a casino that has been around that long and should have been able to establish themselves as a fan favorite.

This casino requires a minimum Skrill deposit of $25 or a deposit of $35 using other E-Wallets or Credit Cards. The minimum withdrawal amount is $100, so that comes out to almost 2.5x the deposit amount if one is depositing using a credit card. Bitcoin cashouts pend for 24 hours whereas Wire Transfers may take up to twelve business days, so about two and a half weeks.

The minimum withdrawal of $100 saves this casino from an auto-fail, but it is going to lose half a mark because of the amount of time they say it takes for the player to get the funds. There is really no reason why it should take so long for a wire transfer to be completed.

Players who get really lucky or high rollers may request $5,000 weekly. Thus, a player with a balance of $20,000 would need to make four such requests and the fourth would hit about two and a half weeks after the final request was made. Essentially, such a player would have his or her funds in just under two months, which really isn’t that bad. It should be mentioned that some players have had issues withdrawing funds and with account closures, so take these times with a huge grain of salt.

High Rollers Grade: B
Low Rollers Grade: D-



As you can see, I point out that:

-The minimum withdrawal permitted relative to the minimum deposit is too high.---Also, I don't think a casino should be willing to accept a deposit less than the amount that it is willing to allow to be withdrawn.
-The wire transfer takes too long.
-Some players have had issues withdrawing funds and with account closures.

Which is why I took offense to being labeled a, "Casino Representative." I gave this casino a D- grade for its banking terms for low-mid rollers. They got a B for high-rollers because of the high(ish) maximum withdrawal amounts per withdrawal. $5,000/withdrawal is actually pretty good compared to many others.

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Read DrawingDead’s post. Even if the T&C are crystal-clear and easily accessible, some practices are absolutely unacceptable. They might as well be punishable if followed by a U.S. regulated online casino.

Tonight or tomorrow (my birthday… thanks!) I am gonna watch “Good Fellas” and “Casino” by the great Martin Scorsese.

Best of luck, fellas!



Well, they aren't a regulated U.S. casino, so there you go. The U.S. doesn't regulate any casinos, because other than PASPA, that's been left up to the states. As you may know, the matter of PASPA is currently before the Supreme Court.

Happy birthday. As Wizard says, "May the odds forever be in your favor."
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March 8th, 2018 at 4:25:37 PM permalink
weezrDASvegas do you still have an account at this casino with any money in it?

If so, can you do me a favor and check the duces wild VP progressive. In the free mode, it has the progressive at 1510.16. Usually not a big deal, however, that's with a total of 10 cents bet with a max bet on the 2 cent level. It seems no matter what level you bet it has the same prog amount and a really good meter move.

Just want to know if its the same situation with real money.

FYI there's no way they could offer this and not get crushed, so that would indicate its gaffed.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 8th, 2018 at 7:36:13 PM permalink
For the record, Weezer, I am not an online casino employee. It's laughable that you would accuse me of such when my only contribution to this thread was to suggest why they wanted a utility bill. They are not alone in doing this.

Public libraries, for example, have been using them for a couple decades to verify your address. Before voting regulations changed to require photo ID, voting registrars would also accept them to determine your eligibility.

It's an effective check on your address being valid and associated with your name. At least in the USA. Perhaps you don't live here, and that's how you have access to all sorts of online casinos. But I don't. It's mostly illegal here, certainly in my state, so I haven't played one for a long time.

Very bizarre accusations from you. I know both Mission and Axel well, and they both told you the truth about who they are and what they do. I notice you apologized to both of them above. Perhaps you would give me the same consideration.
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