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Mission146
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August 29th, 2017 at 4:52:35 PM permalink
Greetings!

The reason that I am creating this thread rather than using my usual Articles thread is because this Article is for the Wizard of Odds site and there is no place for comments on that site.

With that said, I have written an Article pertaining to No-Deposit Bonuses, what they are, how to play them, EV, etc:

https://wizardofodds.com/online-casinos/no-deposit-casino-bonuses

Some of you who are more cautious when it comes to online casinos may find a few of the bonuses I looked at to be of interest, as a few of them do not require a deposit for you to cash out any winnings.

Much like Wizard, I welcome any questions, comments or corrections. The question for the poll is, "Would you play a No Deposit Bonus?" You may select multiple options in your answer.
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BleedingChipsSlowly
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Mission146
August 29th, 2017 at 5:32:19 PM permalink
Very good article, thanks for writing it. I have no interest in actually playing online, but I enjoyed learning about the NDB angle from your well written and thorough analysis.
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Mission146
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August 29th, 2017 at 7:41:57 PM permalink
Thanks for the compliment!
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FleaStiff
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August 31st, 2017 at 4:12:40 AM permalink
I hadn't realized this was an oxygen issue.

I know the brick and mortar casinos do not pump oxygen but "everyone" seems to believe that they do.

I would never do any bottom-skimming shenanagins with a casino that was so desperate it was offering no deposit bonuses, but then in a bout of insomnia, I visited Twitter Space and saw that when I typed in 'no deposit bonus' and 'casino'.... I got a zillion hits.

The whole world seems to be yammering about no deposit bonus blackjacks and how critical it is to making money and to ending the rains in Texas.

Whenever Twitter reveals zillions of hits about no deposit blackjack bonuses being the only way to go then it becomes an issue where everyone out there is obviously willing to deal with casinos that might be desperate or dodgy or whatever.
Mission146
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August 31st, 2017 at 10:46:25 AM permalink
It's not really desperation, it's just one place starts doing them and you want to compete. How is a NDB any different than a physical casino giving someone Free Play just for appearing and signing up for a card? Same exact concept.

Also, it's not as if these bonuses have any meaningful expected value. While greater than zero, the individual player is still not expected to cash out with anything, and even when he does, is limited on how much he can win off of the NDB.

I can't give you an exact number, but I'd say 90%+ have some form of NDB.
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100xOdds
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August 31st, 2017 at 11:25:34 AM permalink
didn't know there were legit ndb sites.

following...
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FleaStiff
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August 31st, 2017 at 1:08:04 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Iphysical casino giving someone Free Play just for appearing and signing up for a card? Same exact concept.

NO. Utterly different concept. No one in a Brick and Mortar casino need worry about the Trustee in Bankruptcy closing down the Cage. But a cyberspace casino is inherently suspect and one which is making offers perceived as extreme is viewed as dangerous. Sort of like a bank that offers a very high interest rate.. they only do it because they need to do it.

When I saw so many online casinos and online players in Twitter World, I realized the situation was not as extreme as I had thought.
Mission146
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August 31st, 2017 at 2:50:01 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

NO. Utterly different concept. No one in a Brick and Mortar casino need worry about the Trustee in Bankruptcy closing down the Cage. But a cyberspace casino is inherently suspect and one which is making offers perceived as extreme is viewed as dangerous. Sort of like a bank that offers a very high interest rate.. they only do it because they need to do it.

When I saw so many online casinos and online players in Twitter World, I realized the situation was not as extreme as I had thought.



I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to play online, I'm just saying why they do it. They do it to get low rollers to check out the casino and try out some of the games. If 90%+ of online casinos offer a NDB and you don't, unless you're huge, that puts you at a disadvantage. Even many of the most highly regarded online casinos offer NDBs.

It also has nothing to do with the cage closing because it's risk basically risk free to try to win. I don't think an online casino that has been operating continuously for three or more years is going to close the doors because someone hit them for fifty bucks on an NDB.
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