Boz
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November 29th, 2016 at 3:39:33 PM permalink
Just noticed on a disclaimer at the bottom of their commercials that they payback on average .95 for every $1.00. Am I correct in assuming this includes Table Games? So what would be an educated guess on the slot hold?

From available figures we know actual returns on Table Games at B&M casinos are far above HA based on player error and such. Is it possible they make a higher percentage off slots than Table Games percentage wise?

Not that I see slots as a value here, but the number has me wondering about truth in advertising and where they are getting this number from. Thanks for any feedback!
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November 29th, 2016 at 6:27:27 PM permalink
https://en-betfair.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5978/~/what-is-the-return-to-player-(rtp)-for-betfair-products%3F

Seems legitimate and honest

Wonder why the Lobstermania is so low? It might be the highest available, but I have to doubt it.

I can't see what the video poker is, curiously interested if anyone as access to the site app.
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November 29th, 2016 at 6:47:30 PM permalink
The video poker seems to be listed on there as GK (Game King) and then the name of the game. The best game appears to be 9/6 Jacks.
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November 29th, 2016 at 6:51:58 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

https://en-betfair.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5978/~/what-is-the-return-to-player-(rtp)-for-betfair-products%3F

Seems legitimate and honest

Wonder why the Lobstermania is so low? It might be the highest available, but I have to doubt it.

I can't see what the video poker is, curiously interested if anyone as access to the site app.



Great link, Thank You!
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November 29th, 2016 at 6:59:04 PM permalink
I also saw that the Cleo mega jackpots were at 92.48. Assuming they are large pots left over at the end of the month.

However reading this I still don't know if the ad was talking about slot payback or overall payback. Also the link is showing 2011 to 2014 Table odds in Euros.

Again thanks for the feedback and links.
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November 29th, 2016 at 7:01:08 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

The video poker seems to be listed on there as GK (Game King) and then the name of the game. The best game appears to be 9/6 Jacks.

Yeah whoops, glanced right past it. I expected a separate are for video poker and just glossed past it.
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November 29th, 2016 at 7:14:31 PM permalink
Quote: Boz



However reading this I still don't know if the ad was talking about slot payback or overall payback. Also the link is showing 2011 to 2014 Table odds in Euros.

Again thanks for the feedback and links.



I just put the chart on that page into a Spreadsheet and the sum of the percentages is 7915.81% across 83 games, which would be 95.37%. Of course, the chart seems to include a few table games.

Removing the following:

Triple Bonus Roulette: 98.11%
Texas Hold 'Em Bonus: 99.5%
Perfect Pairs Blackjack 99.64%
Double Bonus Roulette: 98.06%
Three Wheel Roulette 97.29%
Aces High: 98.00%

Takes away 590.6% and 6 games leaving 7,325.21% across 77 games. That would be 95.13%.

If we remove the Video Poker:

Bonus Poker: 99.16%
Double Double Bonus: 98.98%
Jacks or Better: 99.54%

Takes away 297.68% and three additional games, leaving 7027.53% across 74 games. That would be 94.97% mean RTP.

Based on the previously linked chart, then, I would suggest that the returns do not necessarily include Table Games with that 95%+, but that they do include video poker games. Either that, or they consider 94.97% and round it to 95%, which is technically true, if you're rounding to the nearest 1%...that wouldn't even have to include the VP.

When it comes to online gaming slots, in general, the 93%-96% RTP range is fairly standard.
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