SAMIAM
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August 5th, 2016 at 11:16:47 AM permalink
" It's a known fact getting addicted to horse betting takes 20 years. "

Nothing personal, but my opinion of "fact" and your's vary greatly.
Sandybestdog
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August 19th, 2016 at 8:03:41 AM permalink
I just don't believe that online casino's are fair. Especially ones outside of the US. In my very limited experience, I have always lost. Not a scientific study or anything, just $100 or $200 here or there. I don't think I've ever seen any upswing. I recently found an online casino that seemed a little sketchy. They took bitcoin and I had $50 in bitcoin so I put it in. I found a game that I believed would be about a 3% edge off the top just flat betting. I tried it in practice mode and played about 1500 hands. It worked almost perfectly. I was up about 50 units. Then I put it in real mode and played about 2000 hands. At first it was mostly flat, then it went down about 20 units and kind of stayed there. Not a long enough sample size but pretty suspect. That took about 2 days to complete. Then I went to the site and it wasn't loading. I thought maybe it was down or something. The next day the same thing. I tried from my phone and got the same error message. Then I turned wifi off on my phone so it would connect to a different ip address. Immediately the site came up. I played a little and it worked fine. Then I logged back on my computer and it still was't working. Then I started playing a different game from my phone with a different strategy. Then the next day miraculously I wasn't able to click on that game but was on the others. Pretty suspect.

You can fundamentally trust a land casino. They don't need to cheat. Players play so bad that they hold plenty. As a private place of business they have the right to tell you to leave or restrict your playing but that's a little bit more respectable and takes a little more work than just blocking someone's ip address.
Joeshlabotnik
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August 19th, 2016 at 8:50:57 AM permalink
Quote: SAMIAM

" It's a known fact getting addicted to horse betting takes 20 years. "

Nothing personal, but my opinion of "fact" and your's vary greatly.



It's a known fact that the sun is green.
It's a known fact that Oreo cookies are bad for you, since everyone who eats them dies.
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AxelWolf
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August 19th, 2016 at 10:10:55 AM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

I just don't believe that online casino's are fair. Especially ones outside of the US. In my very limited experience, I have always lost. Not a scientific study or anything, just $100 or $200 here or there. I don't think I've ever seen any upswing. I recently found an online casino that seemed a little sketchy. They took bitcoin and I had $50 in bitcoin so I put it in. I found a game that I believed would be about a 3% edge off the top just flat betting. I tried it in practice mode and played about 1500 hands. It worked almost perfectly. I was up about 50 units. Then I put it in real mode and played about 2000 hands. At first it was mostly flat, then it went down about 20 units and kind of stayed there. Not a long enough sample size but pretty suspect. That took about 2 days to complete. Then I went to the site and it wasn't loading. I thought maybe it was down or something. The next day the same thing. I tried from my phone and got the same error message. Then I turned wifi off on my phone so it would connect to a different ip address. Immediately the site came up. I played a little and it worked fine. Then I logged back on my computer and it still was't working. Then I started playing a different game from my phone with a different strategy. Then the next day miraculously I wasn't able to click on that game but was on the others. Pretty suspect.

You can fundamentally trust a land casino. They don't need to cheat. Players play so bad that they hold plenty. As a private place of business they have the right to tell you to leave or restrict your playing but that's a little bit more respectable and takes a little more work than just blocking someone's ip address.

You left out the most important part....what online casino? 3 % off the top? I think you have made a mistake.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
EricStoner
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August 19th, 2016 at 6:08:37 PM permalink
If you live in a state that has licensed online gambling affiliated with one of their casinos, play on those sites. I've done very well playing on their sites and they tend to have very good deposit promos. I would steer clear of offshore casinos.
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AxelWolf
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August 19th, 2016 at 6:28:20 PM permalink
Quote: EricStoner

If you live in a state that has licensed online gambling affiliated with one of their casinos, play on those sites. I've done very well playing on their sites and they tend to have very good deposit promos. I would steer clear of offshore casinos.

Licensed online casino's have very good deposit bonuses? Can you elaborate ? I have yet to hear of a really good licensed online casino bonus, just the opposite in fact. Perhaps things are changing I would like to hear the details.

No reason to steer clear of offshore casinos if you know what you doing and do your homework and be more careful. Sometimes the risk is well worth the reward.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Sandybestdog
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August 20th, 2016 at 5:44:12 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You left out the most important part....what online casino? 3 % off the top? I think you have made a mistake.


Sorry I'm still new to this site and haven't quite pin pointed everybody's standings and opinions on things but aren't you the one always complaining about people revealing too much info via books and public info? It ruins people's livelihoods doesn't it?
AxelWolf
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August 21st, 2016 at 4:27:28 PM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

Sorry I'm still new to this site and haven't quite pin pointed everybody's standings and opinions on things but aren't you the one always complaining about people revealing too much info via books and public info? It ruins people's livelihoods doesn't it?

He doesn't have to say.

I can figure it out myself, there are not to many licenced online casino's, but I don't think he's correct, in saying there's very lucrative bonuses. I guess very lucrative is subjective. Somome might think $100 a month in EV in very lucrative.

I think we can probably figure out all the licensed casino's and their bonuses and then go from there. If anyone is in a state that has a licensed casino available and they just want to check the bonuses let me know I would be willing to pay for the information.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
onenickelmiracle
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August 21st, 2016 at 6:04:33 PM permalink
Quote: SAMIAM

" It's a known fact getting addicted to horse betting takes 20 years. "

Nothing personal, but my opinion of "fact" and your's vary greatly.

Go to a horse track or racino and you'll notice the youngest are in their forties. Horse racing is just that slow and stupid, it takes time and a little dementia to want to bet on it regularly.
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bobbartop
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August 21st, 2016 at 11:32:55 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Go to a horse track or racino and you'll notice the youngest are in their forties. Horse racing is just that slow and stupid, it takes time and a little dementia to want to bet on it regularly.



I can understand your point, but I also have a different take on it. First of all, most players lose. Casual players certainly lose. When I lived near the track I had an entirely different routine than the average player who buys the Form, grabs a beer and hot dog, and starts looking for a selection.

Here's my routine. And it requires a lot of walking. Most tracks you can position yourself to see the horses walking in from their stalls. With the help of binoculars this is where you want to spot horses that have no interest in anything around them. Walking with their head down, dragging their feet, no energy at all. Make a note in your program. At the same time, you might see one that is full of energy, up on his toes and in a full dance. Then I have to run over to where they come onto the grounds towards the paddock or walking ring. I do the same thing there, take notes as they continue to meet their crew. I take notes on their appearance, and then notes on how they behave in the walking ring, how they react when the jockey gets on board, and then I race out to the track or follow them through the tunnel and watch the post parade. Always taking notes. Watch their warm-up, take notes. If I make a bet, it's usually by phone, I don't have time to mess around in line. This takes two people, but I want to see how they come out of the race, the winner and the also-rans. At this same time, the horses for the next race are coming down the hill from their stalls. I can't be in two places at once. Rinse, and repeat.

So my point is, if you're into horse racing and want to beat the game, there is no time to get bored. I agree, the crowd is older, and the sport is in trouble. But myself, personally, my day at the track is never slow. I won't comment on the "dementia" part, though.
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