Misleading seal of approval?

You may have realized in my posts after the WOO sale and also during the Casinomeister crisis, that I am obsessed with wanting to believe in integrity in gambling. So I am quite sensitive about things that might hurt it, and here I go again:

On WOO, 32 Red Casino now carries the Wizard's Seal of approval:



On the 32 Red plc website you can read this (emphasis mine):

32Red was founded by Edward Ware, who left his position as Managing Director of Ladbrokes International in 2000 to pursue his vision of an independent, specialist online casino

So the question is: Is the seal intentionally or accidentally misleading?

Accidental.

I think the year refers to when Mike started providing the seal of approval to anyone, not when that site first got it.

I'm going to take an educated guess and say that the date refers to when the Wizard of Odds was founded. That would be July 19, 1997. Nothing untoward here.

Quote: 1BB

I'm going to take an educated guess and say that the date refers to when the Wizard of Odds was founded. That would be July 19, 1997. Nothing untoward here.

I don't remember the Wiz ever giving a review on that Casino and giving his "Seal of Approval" to it??? That's the problem with the sale of his site. He stood for integrity and independent reviews and analysis. That's all changed now. I don't like it. I feel like it's tainted now.



ZCore13

I see what you're saying. I was focusing on the date on the seal and not the whole picture. I have a feeling that there will be more of these questions as time goes on. I also wouldn't be surprised to see some changes in this forum going forward. It's no different than any other business.

I can understand the confusion. Perhaps the "Since 1997" on the seal needs to be removed, or reworded, "Educating Players Since 1997"

The FleaStiff Seal of Approval is awarded with any date you want, depending upon the size of your check.

Quote: Ayecarumba

I can understand the confusion. Perhaps the "Since 1997" on the seal needs to be removed, or reworded, "Educating Players Since 1997"

Or "PROTECTING Players Since 1997" since that what any such seal intends to imply.

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Quote: Ayecarumba

I can understand the confusion. Perhaps the "Since 1997" on the seal needs to be removed, or reworded, "Educating Players Since 1997"

Or "PROTECTING Players Since 1997" since that what any such seal intends to imply.

I wouldn't want someone to read too much into "Protecting". The "Good Houskeeping" seal has a whole bunch of text on it to spell out what their seal represents:

I don't think the WoO seal has the room to describe what the seal means. It doesn't mean that the Wizard will refund a player's money if they make high edge bets and lose.

Does Mike approve of the casino, or is
it the new owners? Big difference.

Quote: EvenBob

Does Mike approve of the casino, or is
it the new owners? Big difference.

The Wizard seal means Mike has vetted it. See the details here.

All that really matters is who owns and controls the seal.

Quote: Ayecarumba

The Wizard seal means Mike has vetted it. See the details here.

It used to be the Wizard vetted it. Now it says Wizard Management. That means if they are offered a really good cut of everyone's losses, it's probably going to be vetted. Doesn't mean anything anymore if it's not the Wiz himself doing the review and vetting.


ZCore13

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Quote: Ayecarumba

The Wizard seal means Mike has vetted it. See the details here.

It used to be the Wizard vetted it. Now it says Wizard Management. That means if they are offered a really good cut of everyone's losses, it's probably going to be vetted. Doesn't mean anything anymore if it's not the Wiz himself doing the review and vetting.


ZCore13

That page specifically states "including the Wizard himself."

"Any casino with the Wizard seal of approval has been vetted by Wizard management, including the Wizard himself. We will promote such casinos as trustworthy casinos you can feel safe to play at. However, in the interests of giving players choices, we may also market casinos that don’t quite meet our high standards, as identified by not having the Wizard seal."

So if it doesn't have the seal, hang onto
your wallets? That's the impression it
gives. 'Including' the Wiz? So it's 8 people
and Mike deciding? At least they gave him
an 'including'..

" If you ever have a dispute with a casino and are a confirmed “Wizard” player, then we will try to help. "

What is a confirmed " Wizard " player, Might I ask ? ? ?

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" If you ever have a dispute with a casino and are a confirmed “Wizard” player, then we will try to help. "

What is a confirmed " Wizard " player, Might I ask ? ? ?

You use their affiliate links they provide, when you sign up and deposit.

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What is a confirmed " Wizard " player, Might I ask ? ? ?

Having your name on the ban list. Be play'ng the Wizard.

Quote: Ayecarumba

I can understand the confusion. Perhaps the "Since 1997" on the seal needs to be removed, or reworded, "Educating Players Since 1997"

See they went to Est 1997,

Good move.

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Quote: Ayecarumba

I can understand the confusion. Perhaps the "Since 1997" on the seal needs to be removed, or reworded, "Educating Players Since 1997"

See they went to Est 1997,

Good move.

Much better. For looks, maybe center wizardofodds then underneath with the same curvature est. 1997. At the bottom, approved remains the same.

Aesthetically? You're probably right. But let's be thankful that it's been changed at all. Good job.

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The "Good Houskeeping" seal has a whole bunch of text on it to spell out what their seal represents.

That is because of a humungous lawsuit over serious injuries by an unsafe product and Good Housekeeping had to say 'if it doesn't live up to claims made in our magazine, we will get you a new device or refund your money". The consumer said, No, pay for my injuries, I relied up your approval of the product.

I would NOT say "protecting".... their is no insurance fund that re-imburses gamblers for losses if the casino is crooked, so don't invite any such claims by someone who thinks "it was a safety net rather than just a warning sign".

There is a big difference in saying No Rip Tides Detected During My Two Day Visit in 2012 than No Rip Tides Detected or No Rip Tides.

Think of the accountant's certification: Examined the books according to normal industry standards and such controls as appear to be in place and conclude that the books fairly represent the situation based upon such tests as we were able to perform at the time and what we had been informed of their then current reputation in the industry and our opinions of the software they claim to be in use.

The absence of a certificate might warn or alert someone, but don't say the presence of a certificate "protects" or "assures". I would merely state that the presence of a certificate or seal "informs the vigilant gambler that certain tests were performed and Wizard Management therefore reached certain conclusions as to trustworthyness and reputation in the industry".

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Quote: Ayecarumba

I can understand the confusion. Perhaps the "Since 1997" on the seal needs to be removed, or reworded, "Educating Players Since 1997"

See they went to Est 1997,

Good move.

The new owners and staff continue to demonstrate that they are fair and reasonable.

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Quote: rxwine

Quote: Ayecarumba

I can understand the confusion. Perhaps the "Since 1997" on the seal needs to be removed, or reworded, "Educating Players Since 1997"

See they went to Est 1997,

Good move.

The new owners and staff continue to demonstrate that they are fair and reasonable.

The site has new owners? I haven't noticed. Other than less drama the last few weeks. but it is the holidays.

Good move changing the seal. Well done!

Old logo for prosterity:



and yes, I like the new one better. no longer misleading.
altho I like the red hat from the old logo over the white hat.

I like the old design, red hat and layout better (except for the "since" part).