Online Casinos

Hi, I am new to online casinos and have to ask, what's with this limited payouts, like $1000 every 10 days. Are there any online casinos that pay all YOUR money when you want it?
Also which casinos are the best for online Pai Gow Poker?
Thanks

You can trust Bovada, though I believe they also have payout limits.

Quote: Mission146

You can trust Bovada, though I believe they also have payout limits.

3k per cash out per check.1 free per month. If u want more u can get multiple checks for a fee

Thanks

I advise you to play casino without money. Now on the Internet a lot of free spins can be found. You just download and have a certain number of link disabled as spam .

Bovada, clubworld, 3dice all US friendly and safe. 3dice is not rtg if you want a change.

Mainstreet group is safe as well

Quote: Celloman

Also which casinos are the best for online Pai Gow Poker?Thanks

A bricks and mortar casino is always the best for an online player because he can get 100 percent for all chips he hands to the cashier. Any online casino that is questionable on that issue is a worse casino.

Quote: FleaStiff

A bricks and mortar casino is always the best for an online player because he can get 100 percent for all chips he hands to the cashier. Any online casino that is questionable on that issue is a worse casino.

Is that before or after tips ?

Quote: richbailey86

Bovada, clubworld, 3dice all US friendly and safe. 3dice is not rtg if you want a change.

Mainstreet group is safe as well

Who says these places are safe for USA players? The people making money off you for playing there? (casinoshiester, etc.)

No regulation enforcement after launch, illegal for USA banks to deal with these sites, bank and processor funds seizures if caught, software gaming codes in the hands of the people that want you to bet against them, endless reports of winnings denied for endless stupid reasons. If your chances of getting paid are good, it could take months before you even see the full amount if you see it at all. Don't you even bother reading the forums endless complaints for 15 years of people getting screwed and how it even got worse today for USA players?

If you really need to gamble online today from the USA, you most likely are suffering from a gambling disorder.

Of course not to include the three states in USA where online gaming is legal.

August 26, you made these comments below questioning RTG's creditability. Just wondering how in 2 weeks you were able to confirm their honesty and how safe they are for USA players to the point that you feel comfortable recommending them? Were you able to experience Bovado since you last stated you were unable to play there?

richbailey86 Quotes:

08/26 - "Do you guys think rtg is legit and fair or rigged? Bovada is obviously recommended here. I cant use Bovada because they dont accept NY I don't think. I use clubworld which is supposed to be trustworthy and it is rtg like Bovada"

08/27 - "does anyone really know if rtg software is coded to log and adapt to betting patterns on games like roulette or is it truly random" :End Quotes:

Also how did you confirm Mainstreet RTG group are also safe and recommendable for USA players?

Quote: richbailey86

Bovada, clubworld, 3dice all US friendly and safe. 3dice is not rtg if you want a change.

Mainstreet group is safe as well

Quote: 4ofaKind

August 26, you made these comments below questioning RTG's creditability. Just wondering how in 2 weeks you were able to confirm their honesty and how safe they are for USA players to the point that you feel comfortable recommending them? Were you able to experience Bovado since you last stated you were unable to play there?

richbailey86 Quotes:

08/26 - "Do you guys think rtg is legit and fair or rigged? Bovada is obviously recommended here. I cant use Bovada because they dont accept NY I don't think. I use clubworld which is supposed to be trustworthy and it is rtg like Bovada"

08/27 - "does anyone really know if rtg software is coded to log and adapt to betting patterns on games like roulette or is it truly random" :End Quotes:

Also how did you confirm Mainstreet RTG group are also safe and recommendable for USA players?

i trusted casino meisters "accredited" casino page, thats why......i never had a reason to suspect casinomeister was a bad source

but if you think they are show me evidence so i can form a decision instead of belittling me

Quote: richbailey86

i trusted casino meisters "accredited" casino page, thats why......i never had a reason to suspect casinomeister was a bad source

but if you think they are show me evidence so i can form a decision instead of belittling me

I only asked a legitimate question and not sure why you felt I was trying to belittle you.

I’m certain you read my opinions based on facts why online gaming in general, especially for USA players is foolish. It's also obvious that everyone wants to deny those confirmed facts and just pretend none of those problems exist. Look at your own response above. After all the different negative things I discussed about the risks and dangers of online gaming, all you want to discuss is Casinomeister's creditability on where you could play. (Talk about denial of the facts) So I guess I'll discuss and share my opinion about him.

I could only assume that you’re not an active member at Casinomeister if you have no reason to suspect he is a bad source. I think when he started 15 years ago he had the right intentions. Today it became obvious he’s nothing but a shill for the casinos he sponsors and who are willing to pay him for that right. He runs a seriously prejudiced kangaroo court when there is a complaint against one of his accredited sponsored casinos. The lengths he and his cronies and dedicated cult followers will go through to protect the integrity of the site are sickening. Don't forget most of the online casino sites belong to groups, and if you ban one then the whole group has to go. Talk about negative -EV.

Every complaint is usually a newbie to the site, and every case will end with the newbie being accused of fraud, multi-accounting, AP’ing, and being banned. The newbie usually never gets to respond since their usually immediately banned after the announcement. In addition you never get to view any evidence since it remains top secret between the casinos and Casinomeister’s Kangaroo Court. This is done so as not to teach the fraudsters how the casinos uncover the evidence. In fact the whole fn process is a complete secret. The complaint poster is not allowed to even post about it anymore till the case is resolved, and will usually be banned before he ever gets to respond.

Here's one of the rules if you make a complaint. Quote: "Among other things the FAQ details your responsibilities in the PAB process (section 3.11), including NOT posting (any further) on our forums about your issue while the PAB is in progress." :End Quote:

The extreme members will always agree no matter what he says, and if the other members start ganging up against his decision he'll go to his death or your banning in defense of them. In many cases he'll lock the thread, but regardless, eventually they all become an archive, lost, and are forgotten. It always amazed me how a thread with a serious issue being debated suddenly comes to a stop and just fades away into the archives after he makes a statement expressing his opinion with the cult followers in agreement. That's because everyone knows that if they try to continue the debate they'll get banned. Sometimes you even wonder if some of these long time cult followers are real or created members he controls and uses for support, or just have the same DNA since their always 100% in agreement.

Also it's fair to keep in mind that there are fraudsters out there that will do anything to get money out of the casinos. Yet, it became a suspicious pattern when every complaint resulted in the same outcomes for years when it's an accredited casino on his list. The accredited casinos are never wrong, unless of course everyone knows about an undeniable fraud act, then he has no choice but to join everyone else and ban them.

Anyone with an objective opinion or demand proof of anything he claims to have been told through his connections as fact, will be labeled conspiracy tin foil hat idiots, trolls, (his selective list of name calling is long) and will be banned. I’ve been banned years ago and also witnessed hundreds of educated posters also get banned over the years. If you don’t drink the cool-aid your out of there. It's just an endless flushing of newbies and bannings cycling over and over, while the cult members remain and some long time special cult members even get to advertise their own web-sites that also promote online gaming and get to leave a link under their names.

In 15 minutes I found two recent threads with complaints against his accredited list. This one he sided with the casino before the poster even filed a complaint because the poster felt that the PAB would be a biased decision. Instead the poster wanted opinions from the members. Eventually, Casinomeister warned the player if he didn’t file a formal complaint he would lock the thread. (Simply because the majority of the members were siding with the player out numbering the cult followers who of course sided with him) The poster eventually filed the complaint, but he still locked the thread pending the outcome. So stay tuned for the outcome, or would you like me to tell you now what it will be? Eight days and still no response ... must be a hell of a case.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63858

This second one I found involves a longtime members brother with a complaint against no other then CWG one of the RTG groups you also recommended.

Well the brother got banned along with a few other members that questioned his motives in that thread who didn’t agree with the outcome which of course was ruled in the casino’s favor. Max started to even accuse the long time member and his brother of fraud, but never followed up with any proof. How this long time member is still there is beyond me, but since he’s on their radar now, the first chance they get he’ll be banned also. Long time members with a personal opinion have to get banned delicately.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63759

These same exact type threads are endless and are all lost and forgotten in the archives. He’s like that ever-ready battery commercial and just keeps going with the cult members and newbie’s like you who do no research and just assume the bullshit you read is accurate, and even end up help promoting his niche.

There's just such a serious case of conflict of interests when your asking a person that gets paid from the casinos to make a ruling against them that could only result in lowering that persons salary. After all this guy is not Mother Theresa. Besides, she died.

If you’re promoting Casinomeister recommendations, and not your own experiences, you should make that clear up front. Since you’re a member of this forum, people reading your posts here might respect your opinion not knowing it’s someone else.

Edit - 09-17 - Fixed some terribly worded sentences.

richbailey86

I used to use Casinomeister years ago as a source It was a hustle and bustling site with good information(so I thought ).

I have known 4ofaKind to be a long time respected member online. Details are somewhat sketchy but I believe 4ofaKind was a frequent poster and online player. I believe he has some interesting inside information about Casinomeister and the "accredited casinos".

One day something at Casinomeister changed (sold out??) but after that, things were never the same.

I disagree that everybody should avoid playing online, I made that mistake early on in the glory days. I dabbled early on in 95- 97 with some success but got busy with B&M casinos. I was playing one of the first online casinos, I believe it was called the Gaming Club. Then I played inter-casino (BJ seemed very rigged to me and, I stopped even with a big theoretical edge)

About 1999 I played Planet poker with bad results. Soon after I played at Windward, they had $1 FPDW with bonuses, I did fantastic(first day alone, ducks 3 times, RF and beat the drop. BJ results were not so good with the big bets.) I found a different western themed casino that had 103% $1 VP.The FH paid way over the norm. I got 1 week of play and the game was axed.

I took a break from online for B&M, I should have jumped in full force online concentrating with the bonuses, and did both online and B&M somehow.

When I came back to online again I heard to many horror stories from competing blacklist affiliate sites. I proceeded with extreme caution. Finally I started trying a few juicy plays at discredited and reputable online casinos. IE. discredited casino, deposit 2k get %300 bonus 2x wagering. Did great and got paid quick.

Wagering requirements and restrictions got steeper and more completed. Pay pal then Neteller pulled out and made it difficult.

Nowadays there is some value online, its not as grim as 4ofaKind seems to indicate however, you should not listen to ANYONE advocating or discrediting online casinos, do your own research and experiments. I wish I did that more years ago.

Here's another site OCR not happy with Casinomeister. This happened two years ago, but I remember it was an interesting issue ...

Click on the two red links in the article to view the threads. One is the Betfred thread and the other is another interesting thread.

Also while scanning these threads check out all the red banned members throughout them. They all may not have been banned the day of the threads, but their opinions eventually got them banned.


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&ved=0CEcQFjAK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onlinecasinorecommendations.com%2F2012%2F09%2Favoid-betfred-and-casinomeister-like.html&ei=k7EZVOKpNtTYoATys4H4Cg&usg=AFQjCNGNOhH9cd3F9rG5tWe0aHSflX83jg&bvm=bv.75097201,d.cGU&cad=rja

Edit - 09/19 - In addition you should click on some of the articles under Popular Posts at the OCR site I linked above. Very interesting stuff and well written making a good read.

Quote: 4ofaKind

I only asked a legitimate question and not sure why you felt I was trying to belittle you.

I’m certain you read my opinions based on facts why online gaming in general, especially for USA players is foolish. It's also obvious that everyone wants to deny those confirmed facts and just pretend none of those problems exist. Look at your own response above. After all the different negative things I discussed about the risks and dangers of online gaming, all you want to discuss is Casinomeister's creditability on where you could play. (Talk about denial of the facts) So I guess I'll discuss and share my opinion about him.

I could only assume that you’re not an active member at Casinomeister if you have no reason to suspect he is a bad source. I think when he started 15 years ago he had the right intentions. Today it became obvious he’s nothing but a shill for the casinos he sponsors and who are willing to pay him for that right. He runs a seriously prejudiced kangaroo court when there is a complaint against one of his accredited sponsored casinos. The lengths he and his cronies and dedicated cult followers will go through to protect the integrity of the site are sickening. Don't forget most of the online casino sites belong to groups, and if you ban one then the whole group has to go. Talk about negative -EV.

Every complaint is usually a newbie to the site, and every case will end with the newbie being accused of fraud, multi-accounting, AP’ing, and being banned. The newbie usually never gets to respond since their usually immediately banned after the announcement. In addition you never get to view any evidence since it remains top secret between the casinos and Casinomeister’s Kangaroo Court. This is done so as not to teach the fraudsters how the casinos uncover the evidence. In fact the whole fn process is a complete secret. The complaint poster is not allowed to even post about it anymore till the case is resolved, and will usually be banned before he ever gets to respond.

Here's one of the rules if you make a complaint. Quote: "Among other things the FAQ details your responsibilities in the PAB process (section 3.11), including NOT posting (any further) on our forums about your issue while the PAB is in progress." :End Quote:

The extreme members will always agree no matter what he says, and if the other members start ganging up against his decision he'll go to his death or your banning in defense of them. In many cases he'll lock the thread, but regardless, eventually they all become an archive, lost, and are forgotten. It always amazed me how a thread with a serious issue being debated suddenly comes to a stop and just fades away into the archives after he makes a statement expressing his opinion with the cult followers in agreement. That's because everyone knows that if they try to continue the debate they'll get banned. Sometimes you even wonder if some of these long time cult followers are real or created members he controls and uses for support, or just have the same DNA since their always 100% in agreement.

Also it's fair to keep in mind that there are fraudsters out there that will do anything to get money out of the casinos. Yet, it became a suspicious pattern when every complaint resulted in the same outcomes for years when it's an accredited casino on his list. The accredited casinos are never wrong, unless of course everyone knows about an undeniable fraud act, then he has no choice but to join everyone else and ban them.

Anyone with an objective opinion or demand proof of anything he claims to have been told through his connections as fact, will be labeled conspiracy tin foil hat idiots, trolls, (his selective list of name calling is long) and will be banned. I’ve been banned years ago and also witnessed hundreds of educated posters also get banned over the years. If you don’t drink the cool-aid your out of there. It's just an endless flushing of newbies and bannings cycling over and over, while the cult members remain and some long time special cult members even get to advertise their own web-sites that also promote online gaming and get to leave a link under their names.

In 15 minutes I found two recent threads with complaints against his accredited list. This one he sided with the casino before the poster even filed a complaint because the poster felt that the PAB would be a biased decision. Instead the poster wanted opinions from the members. Eventually, Casinomeister warned the player if he didn’t file a formal complaint he would lock the thread. (Simply because the majority of the members were siding with the player out numbering the cult followers who of course sided with him) The poster eventually filed the complaint, but he still locked the thread pending the outcome. So stay tuned for the outcome, or would you like me to tell you now what it will be? Eight days and still no response ... must be a hell of a case.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63858

This second one I found involves a longtime members brother with a complaint against no other then CWG one of the RTG groups you also recommended.

Well the brother got banned along with a few other members that questioned his motives in that thread who didn’t agree with the outcome which of course was ruled in the casino’s favor. Max started to even accuse the long time member and his brother of fraud, but never followed up with any proof. How this long time member is still there is beyond me, but since he’s on their radar now, the first chance they get he’ll be banned also. Long time members with a personal opinion have to get banned delicately.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63759

These same exact type threads are endless and are all lost and forgotten in the archives. He’s like that ever-ready battery commercial and just keeps going with the cult members and newbie’s like you who do no research and just assume the bullshit you read is accurate, and even end up help promoting his niche.

There's just such a serious case of conflict of interests when your asking a person that gets paid from the casinos to make a ruling against them that could only result in lowering that persons salary. After all this guy is not Mother Theresa. Besides, she died.

If you’re promoting Casinomeister recommendations, and not your own experiences, you should make that clear up front. Since you’re a member of this forum, people reading your posts here might respect your opinion not knowing it’s someone else.

Edit - 09-17 - Fixed some terribly worded sentences.

i understand

thank you for the explanation.

i guess it is a major conflict of interest. sort of like the FDA and the vaccine industry.....

i got ya

i see it an entire different way now.........there are some really good ones out there, too bad not available to US

thanks for the info

Just a little update on the nonsense that goes on over there. We all know that certain posters need to be banned for being idiots. But just between the two threads I linked to in my post, and the two threads OCR above links to, a total of 22 members in just those four threads were banned. This member banning by the way is just the tip of the iceberg.

In addition I didn't think the brother in one of my linked threads would be around long. Well he got banned for 30 days yesterday and I'm sure he probably won't return anyway. And still no answer from the PAB in my other linked thread over 25K.

Like OCR says in their post. Once his motto was "Player advocate," and now reads "advocate for fair play."
Because he doesn't give a rat's ass about the player.

Please let me share my experience in regards to monetary complaints:

I have not been paid my withdrawal for 15 business days from one poker room. (they should pay me in 2 business days, and according to their T&C`s they dont initiate payments on weekends) All that time I kept asking them what the problem is, and their responses each time was that I will be paid soon. After 15 business days have passed, I have decided to initiate some complaints regarding their stalling payment. (I previously warned them about my future actions in case I will not be paid in 15 business days).
And so, on a Sunday I have placed one PAB complaint at Casinomeister and on the same day one `grumble` (with exactly the same details) at Steve Russo (a very objective and professional person, almost always eager to help, even on week-ends) from www(dot)GamblingGrumbles(dot)com which is a partner website of www(dot)GamblingCity(dot)com – (my preffered venue).

The result was that just a few hours later I have got my money on my e-wallet account due to Steve Russo's involving.

After I have got my money, still on that very same Sunday, I've sent a note to Max from Casinomeister to discard my PAB complaint, because it has been solved via GamblingGrumbles. The shocking part to me was that three days later, on Wednesday, Bryan from Casinomeister sent me an email asking me some more details about my PAB initiated on Sunday!?! (??how professional was that??)

OK, what you can and can't trust? As AxelWolf said, do your research! Here are some of my findings which you may find useful:

- all gambling websites allowing USA players have maximum cashouts (the biggest paying one being 5Dimes with $9K in 48 hours)
- most casinos and bookmakers (if not all) are looking for casual players and do their best to limit/screw pro's and +EV bonus play
- if you still decide to play online, you are much better guarded if you play via an affiliate who can also help you in case of troubles
- do not play games which can pay million(s) in cash if the casino treat jackpot hits with regular withdrawals (like $3K/week or so)

My choices would be: 5Dimes (even for very large withdrawals); Bovada and Club World Group. Deck Media Group - only for the diversity (they have Rival, Top Game, WGS, RTG platform casinos) of casual players guarded by an affiliate - pro's are excluded.

If you reside outside of the USA (even if you have an US nationality) you have many more options for casual / business online play.

And my choices would go as follow: Pinnacle (no max payout limit); Betfair (no max payout limit); BETDAQ (same company as Ladbrokes but no max payout limit); Ladbrokes (€37,500/24 hours); Bet365 (£20,000/24hours); 32Red Group ($10K/€5K/24hours).

That issue I linked to in above post with 32 Red and 25K being denied to the player was resolved.

Kudos to 32 Red for deciding to pay the player for a mistake the casino made.


"The reason that the casino changed its original stance is that there were other factors which were ultimately cleared up. Those factors are not free for me to discuss but those factors, in the eyes of the PAB service, were sufficient justification for the initial stance taken."

Yet, the player is confused by this comment with his response of,

"I am confused about these other factors, as nothing other than the issue discussed here has been mentioned to me. If I am understanding correctly, you are saying these 'factors' were sufficient enough for you to say I shouldn't be paid. But in the previous sentence you said they were cleared up."

32 Red shows they are a class act. Not sure why the additional comments above.

Now the clan over there is pretty much telling the player he owes meister his first born for getting paid.

EDIT: Thought he backed them before the PAB. Was completely wrong and wanted to correct previous mis-information.

No, No, and NO.... I just made this account after testing out Bovado... having seen that everyone is pumping it. How much are you are getting for an affiliate's cut, a few thousand? Freakin snakes - I'm here to expose you all.

Here's the deal OP... DO NOT fool around with ANY OF THE ONLINE CASINOS. They WILL cheat and take your $$$. As with the rest, it's same story... software behaves to certain conditions, using some really slick IF/THEN, and some other complicated decision logic. Good thing I'm a "dev".

I've taken about $2000 of my live casino winnings and wanted to test to see if I could slowly grind out a small daily profit online. Bovado was my "last stop." IT DOESN'T WORK PEOPLE! Especially if you're looking for a Craps game. Wizard of Vegas, and all these other guys put in a little time to whip up a PHP or Asp.Net, and justify that they're warning you of sites to steer clear of, and those that are friendly. I can guarantee you that from the advertisement they get, they're pulling in WAY MORE than you're losing.

Now that I know this... I'm not only gonna stick with live brick casinos, where you can't get ripped off... but I'm gonna blast these people like Wizard of Vegas and others, and jack up their $$$ money.... and put the real deal out there. Stay away from the online action people.

My biggest gripe with the online casino scene is they take the same edge as land based casinos while having minimal expence.
Take one of my favorite games, Pai Gow poker.
The commission is pretty big, 5 %
In a land based casino, its a big edge but I'm ok with it because I feel I get a lot.
I like to play at the Vegas Downtown D (checking in in 2 weeks) because I get a lot for the casino edge. Drinks (red bull), part pit dealer cleavage, party pit dancers, real cards, conversation with other players, high def tv to watch a football game , ect which adds up to fun. That's why I play.
Now the online casinos also charge 5% to play this game. I think its a total rip off.
To play a huge negative ev game online is ridiculous. Hardy any fun factors which a land casino provides.
Why not 1 per cent. Maybe even 1/2 a point edge.
Cmon, its only software, minimal expence.

Quote: TruthYeller

No, No, and NO.... I just made this account after testing out Bovado... having seen that everyone is pumping it. How much are you are getting for an affiliate's cut, a few thousand? Freakin snakes - I'm here to expose you all.

Here's the deal OP... DO NOT fool around with ANY OF THE ONLINE CASINOS. They WILL cheat and take your $$$. As with the rest, it's same story... software behaves to certain conditions, using some really slick IF/THEN, and some other complicated decision logic. Good thing I'm a "dev".

I've taken about $2000 of my live casino winnings and wanted to test to see if I could slowly grind out a small daily profit online. Bovado was my "last stop." IT DOESN'T WORK PEOPLE! Especially if you're looking for a Craps game. Wizard of Vegas, and all these other guys put in a little time to whip up a PHP or Asp.Net, and justify that they're warning you of sites to steer clear of, and those that are friendly. I can guarantee you that from the advertisement they get, they're pulling in WAY MORE than you're losing.

Now that I know this... I'm not only gonna stick with live brick casinos, where you can't get ripped off... but I'm gonna blast these people like Wizard of Vegas and others, and jack up their $$$ money.... and put the real deal out there. Stay away from the online action people.

Do you have some sort of play log you can provide, or anything, or is this just an objection to losing? With all due respect, if I wanted to, "Grind out a small daily profit," playing a negative expectation game, such as Craps, would not be my strategy.

Quote: MangoJ

Is that before or after tips ?

I don't know if "tips" are all that significant. It is true that you do not tip at an online casino but for tips to be a factor ... wow.

Bricks and Mortar: tips, air fare or auto mileage or even shoe leather, ... online casinos avoid all of that but add in the mystery of who owns the casino and whether you will ever be able to take "paper winnings" and actually get paid.

I doubt tips are that big a factor though. It could be more of an emotional reaction. In which case, there is no argument at all that is meaningful. Its like someone who worships his car so much he doesn't want to let a valet drive it so he doesn't go anywhere.

Precisely. The House Edge is nice figure to fling around but the casino has to deal with player's demands: drinks, babes, diversions ...all of which detract from hands played.
Online you can play fixedly without drinks, meal breaks, coffee or music, but the online casino pays no real estate tax or booze bill.

Either you milk an online casino or you milk a Bricks and Mortar casino, but you can only milk them for what they offer you.

Quote: TruthYeller

No, No, and NO.... I just made this account after testing out Bovado... having seen that everyone is pumping it. How much are you are getting for an affiliate's cut, a few thousand? Freakin snakes - I'm here to expose you all.

Here's the deal OP... DO NOT fool around with ANY OF THE ONLINE CASINOS. They WILL cheat and take your $$$. As with the rest, it's same story... software behaves to certain conditions, using some really slick IF/THEN, and some other complicated decision logic. Good thing I'm a "dev".

I've taken about $2000 of my live casino winnings and wanted to test to see if I could slowly grind out a small daily profit online. Bovado was my "last stop." IT DOESN'T WORK PEOPLE! Especially if you're looking for a Craps game. Wizard of Vegas, and all these other guys put in a little time to whip up a PHP or Asp.Net, and justify that they're warning you of sites to steer clear of, and those that are friendly. I can guarantee you that from the advertisement they get, they're pulling in WAY MORE than you're losing.

Now that I know this... I'm not only gonna stick with live brick casinos, where you can't get ripped off... but I'm gonna blast these people like Wizard of Vegas and others, and jack up their $$$ money.... and put the real deal out there. Stay away from the online action people.

You're supposed to lose at craps. Every bet in craps has a house edge. What did you think would happen when you played? Why is it anyone's fault but your own that you lost at a game where the house has a known quantifiable edge?

Quote: TruthYeller

No, No, and NO.... I just made this account after testing out Bovado... having seen that everyone is pumping it. How much are you are getting for an affiliate's cut, a few thousand? Freakin snakes - I'm here to expose you all.

Here's the deal OP... DO NOT fool around with ANY OF THE ONLINE CASINOS. They WILL cheat and take your $$$. As with the rest, it's same story... software behaves to certain conditions, using some really slick IF/THEN, and some other complicated decision logic. Good thing I'm a "dev".

I've taken about $2000 of my live casino winnings and wanted to test to see if I could slowly grind out a small daily profit online. Bovado was my "last stop." IT DOESN'T WORK PEOPLE! Especially if you're looking for a Craps game. Wizard of Vegas, and all these other guys put in a little time to whip up a PHP or Asp.Net, and justify that they're warning you of sites to steer clear of, and those that are friendly. I can guarantee you that from the advertisement they get, they're pulling in WAY MORE than you're losing.

Now that I know this... I'm not only gonna stick with live brick casinos, where you can't get ripped off... but I'm gonna blast these people like Wizard of Vegas and others, and jack up their $$$ money.... and put the real deal out there. Stay away from the online action people.

You can yell all you want your words fall upon def ears. You need to provide evidence or your just another player complaining about losing while playing -EV games. I am in the black when it comes to online and this is after about 1.5 million in coin in.

There are many online Casinos, but the biggest and most successful is of course Online Casinos Mexico. This site is very similar to its US counterparts in that it accepts both credit card payments and real money transfers, and it is popular across the world and is known for its legal and ethical gambling techniques. Online Casinos Mexico offers bonuses that are very similar to other casinos. However, bonuses here are actually in cash and issued directly by the owner. You can either play for real money or play for free (there are no rewards points at this site), and if you decide to gamble for real money you must make your initial deposit in order to do so. After making your deposit you will be able to either play for money, access special offers and promotions, or access the site's bonus section.

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the link reports and shows the details of dozens of complaints against Bovada



since the Supreme Court ruling that States other than Nevada may offer sports betting many States have opted to do that and will also allow online casino gambling

these books and online casinos will be regulated by the State that they are in

I believe that those using those casinos will have many fewer complaints and have a much easier time getting whatever complaints they may have fairly easily resolved since they will be able to file complaints with the State

those online casinos are not going to want to fall into disfavor with the States

of course, the complaints must be legitimate




I would surmise that offshore casinos will respond to the competition from State regulated online casinos by ramping up their bonuses and promos




https://www.complaintsboard.com/bovada-b131288


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Quote: Mission146

Do you have some sort of play log you can provide, or anything, or is this just an objection to losing? With all due respect, if I wanted to, "Grind out a small daily profit," playing a negative expectation game, such as Craps, would not be my strategy.

I respect your opinion, Mission, so I played craps on Bovada NOT for real money, and I won twice (played twice my particular style). Is NOT real vs real $$ play the same or do you believe the site can figure out my plan and react accordingly?

tuttigym

Quote: tuttigym

I respect your opinion, Mission, so I played craps on Bovada NOT for real money, and I won twice (played twice my particular style). Is NOT real vs real $$ play the same or do you believe the site can figure out my plan and react accordingly?

tuttigym

I think two attempts is a limited sample size.

I play on FanDuel's casino almost daily. I play blackjack.

I deposit and withdraw daily. No limits. The withdraw is in my bank account within 2 business days.

I can provide an official win/loss statement proving over the course of 3 years that the game is 100% NOT RIGGED!

I am, over the course of 3 years and over $300,000 at risk in this 3 years a lifetime winner on the app.

No issues getting my money, not a rigged game, 100% legit and regulated.

I feel most people feel online casinos are rigged because you go thru way more hands per hour and the losses always stick out worse than the wins.

Losers ALWAYS remember the time they had 20 and the dealer drew a face up 6 to 21 in 5 cards. Winners seldom remember or talk about the 17 against a dealer 10 that the dealer busted.

I've also pressed bets up into the $250/hand range while I was up and the system definitely did not treat me any differently based on bet size!

There would be no advantage for an online casino to rig a game and run off every potential customer they ever had!

Quote: Mission146

I think two attempts is a limited sample size.

I agree, however, I play the same way on WinCraps and WofO craps sim. and in the casino. I do NOT win big, and, of course, I lose about 35% of the time I play, however, overall, I am on the plus side. Same question as above: Can the site eventually figure out my plan and/or can it read my wagers to defeat me when I venture into a large overall bet?

tuttigym

Quote: mwalz9

I play on FanDuel's casino almost daily. I play blackjack.

Does FanDuel ahve craps?

tuttigym

In some states.

I live in West Virginia.

Here they have some crappy slots, blackjack, baccarat, and European and American Roulette.

Not sure why anyone would play the American version, ever!

Quote: mwalz9

I play on FanDuel's casino almost daily. I play blackjack.

I deposit and withdraw daily. No limits. The withdraw is in my bank account within 2 business days.

I can provide an official win/loss statement proving over the course of 3 years that the game is 100% NOT RIGGED!

While I cannot prove that any place is NOT rigged, I can confidently assert that none of the online gaffs I play is ripping me off either with live games Nor with RNG games ( almost exclusively Blackjack.)
I've wagered >£7m through these various gaffs, occasionally exploiting bonuses. Remarkably, I'm still a lifetime winner.
The places I use are mostly mainstream European BIG chain places that are pretty well regulated.
I play a couple of places lightly regulated in some godforsaken place and even those are deemed to play fair.

There have been anecdotal accusations that some places make the freeplay games let you win, but I don't buy that.
Some also believe that they play fair until you make larger wagers, then you lose. But I don't buy that either.

One member here KNOWS that online RNG games are rigged.... I certainly don't buy that, or indeed many of the other things he KNOWS.

If these places want to rip you off, they don't need to rig the games: They would just refuse to pay and close your account on a whim, as their terms always permit.

Quote: tuttigym

Can the site eventually figure out my plan and/or can it read my wagers to defeat me when I venture into a large overall bet?

tuttigym

Why would it bother? It knows that every wager has a house edge against you and that your plan won't change that. Your large wagers will tend to lose larger dollar amounts: That's simple algebra.
They will love you and your plan.

Quote: tuttigym

I agree, however, I play the same way on WinCraps and WofO craps sim. and in the casino. I do NOT win big, and, of course, I lose about 35% of the time I play, however, overall, I am on the plus side. Same question as above: Can the site eventually figure out my plan and/or can it read my wagers to defeat me when I venture into a large overall bet?

tuttigym

It's certified not to be able to do that, but I'm not going to personally guarantee anything.

Quote: tuttigym

I respect your opinion, Mission, so I played craps on Bovada NOT for real money, and I won twice (played twice my particular style). Is NOT real vs real $$ play the same or do you believe the site can figure out my plan and react accordingly?

tuttigym

It is not unheard of for an online casino to use a different source of randomness for free vs paid play.

Software is the same, except for a differing RNG - either by seed, algorithm, or a hardware randomness source.


Anybody can get lucky and win a few times.

If you're making enough money to make it worthwhile, fine, but for me online casinos are BORING, so I have never bothered. You don't dress up, you don't get a cocktail waitress, you don't get comps, no suite, no restaurants, no events, no shows, nothing. For me Vegas casino resorts are as much about the experience as the gaming.

And then if you're not making any money at it, or it has the same or worse odds as a Vegas casino, even less reason to bother.

Also, if you go to Vegas, you go, you play, you return home, done - it's over with. With an online casino you're playing at home, when does it ever stop?


I'd like to own one of those online casinos - I'd get to fleece people and not even give them any comps.

It's possible to earn brick and mortar comps through live play in the US.

Again, I can only attest to FanDuel in West Virginia.

My Black Diamond players card is attached to my online account as well as my local B&M casino.

I can even withdraw my online money at the cage in person if I want.

I even earn players club points for online sports betting, same app.

Plus the promos are extremely generous online, way more so than in person. If I sit idle for a week or so, they will give me $250-$500 free play for no reason whatsoever, other than to wonder where the hell Ive been. LoL

Quote: Mission146

It's certified not to be able to do that, but I'm not going to personally guarantee anything.

I understand and would never ask anyone to commit. Basically, I am a cautious and skeptical individual when it comes to some forms of technology. I learned early on how invasive and penetrating technology functions can be even though I did not and currently do not comprehend a vast majority of it.

I am scheduled to go to Biloxi soon for some fun, gambling, and golf. My gambling "budget" is set, and I anticipate good times and good outcomes regardless of the algebra and the naysayers.

tuttigym

Quote: sabre

It's possible to earn brick and mortar comps through live play in the US.

I was going to mention this, and you can even earn comps at unregulated offshore places however, I knew that would end up with MDawg talking about how glorious comps are at the casinos, etc.

It would've been glorious.