So... does Bovada really have 10 million people?
This kinda if information helps me get a clue on what my chances are, for example winning the $520 prize draw every Wednesday. If 10 million people are in it for $520 then I might as well forget it.
Anyone have more information on this?
Quote: michael99000My account number is 4
Screenshot pls. ;)
Quote: tringlomaneScreenshot pls. ;)
+1, screenshot or it didn't happen
Quote: NeutrinoI registered recently in Bovada, and I noticed my account number is in the 10,000,000's. So, if each account number belongs to a person, than bovada has 10 million players?
This kinda if information helps me get a clue on what my chances are, for example winning the $520 prize draw every Wednesday. If 10 million people are in it for $520 then I might as well forget it.
Anyone have more information on this?
You don't necessarily know that they started the numbers at 1. A lot of times when building software systems, you intentionally want to obscure the number of users who have registered. Ideally you don't even use sequential numbers and just generate a SHA hash or something based on the internal database ID. It doesn't look like they did that in this case, but the real users might have started at 5,000,000 or something, there's no way to tell. Other than figuring out the lowest account number among the posters here :).
Quote: WizardMy account number with Nevada Energy has 19 digits and starts with a 3. That doesn't necessarily mean they have over 3,000,000,000,000,000,000 customers in the state.
They're usually coded like SSNs used to be. 3=residential, next couple identify the type of meter installed, next several digits are hub and node identifiers, then the last 6 or 7 are your actual account identifier. Makes it much easier to mine the database for affected accounts when maintenance or meter upgrades or outages occur.
It wouldn't surprise me if similar coding was happening at Bovada. But, even if Bovada did start with #1, I'm sure it was formatted as 00000001.
since I have not taken the time to learn not do I have a file box account or whatever its called, I don't know how to post up screen shots (that's probably a good thing, trust me). It is very hard to win that 520. However..........Quote: Neutrino+1, screenshot or it didn't happen
Bovada Casino Customer Service
Dear Mr. "AxelWolf ;)", Account: 2XXXXXX Congratulations! You have been selected as one of the 10 grand prize winners for the Wednesdays Gone Wild Video Poker Promotion Week XX. You won $520 for being the lucky winner today. The amount will be credited to your account within 24 hours. Again, congratulations and have fun using your winnings. Please note that the bonus has no Rollover requirements so you can continue wagering or request a withdrawal at your earliest convenience. Our Casino Customer Service Team is available at casino@bovada.lv 24/7 to help if you need anything else(LIKE A HOOKER AND DRUGS). Thanks, Casino Customer Service casino@bovada.lv 1-866-234-1324
Note my Account number started with a 2
Note: I added the hooker and drugs thing as a joke. unfortunately or fortunately how ever you want to look at it, Bovada or Dodogs has never offered me such things.
I'm curious if any online casinos offer people things out side the normal casino stuff. Do online casinos have hosts? Anyone? Will they send a Pizza to your house?
If I was an online casino owner, I would make sure no one had to leave their house I would send them cheap tablets with pre-installed casino apps, for good customers I would include a free data plan.
Years ago early 2000 the owner/ ceo of Truepoker (fun "3D" site)or who ever he was hand delivered my check. I cant remember what the exact problem was, but I had a pending cash out that was not going through for some reason, so I called and they said, they would get back to me within 24hrs. I got a phone call later that day from a person claiming to be the: (I cant remember exactly what he said he was, but I was under the impression he was the owner.) He said he was "currently"in Las Vegas (probably always. I bet he lived here) and noticed I lived in LV. He said it would be faster and he would save the processing fees and if I didn't mind he would deliver a check himself.
Quote: AxelWolf
I'm curious if any online casinos offer people things out side the normal casino stuff. Do online casinos have hosts? Anyone? Will they send a Pizza to your house?
In the early 2000's I was a heavy hitter at the Golden Palace online casino. Maybe you remember all the live boxers that were fighting with the Golden Palace casino's ad painted on their backs. Also, they were the online casino that were buying weird things like the Blessed Mother impression on toast or something for stupid money obviously for advertising gimmicks.
I was offered several times RFB and tickets to many fights in Las Vegas. I never took those but took a couple of comped offers for Atlantic City.
Most of the time I took none of those offers cause they seemed to reflect on my monthly cash backs which usually ranged from 2 to 4 thousand dollars. My cash backs were not based on any comp back system. My host would automatically within the first week of every month put a totally cash-able cash back into my account based on his personal review of my previous months action. Even if I had a winning cashed out month I got a comp although usually small.
Then came the UIGEA and they migrated to Golden Casino, which is when after a couple of years of complete opposite gaming results I realized Video Poker was rigged. This was around the time the poker scandals were exposed and I joined a couple of forums getting educated about how exactly online gaming was functioning.
I then quit online gaming (feeling cheated) and began investigating online casinos. I pursued several online gaming commissions all over the world with e-mails and snail mails requesting specific information. All I wanted to know was the programming requirements for video poker and how they were being enforced after launch. Never once from any of the 4 regulators did I receive a single response ever notifying me that they even received my mailings. This is when I started smelling a pile of decomposing shit.
After reading all the issues that endlessly still are taking place and obviously always were taking place, it also became obvious that absolutely no online regulation enforcement is in place what so ever that protects the player, or the games being offered from being gaffed after launch.
I never had any problems when playing Golden Palace including cash outs. The results I was having online were no different then land based casinos if not better, and started playing online more then land. I was also oblivious to any issues that may have been taking place during that time since I never researched online gaming. Golden Palace was my online home.
Now after years of research I'm certain online gaming is to risky to take serious. When the only place you have to go too if you have an issue and are being forced to count on sites like Casinomeister and his colluded Kangaroo court for any information or results, you probably need a head examination if your gambling at these off shore sites. Self appointed regulators / arbitrators living off online casinos and gamblers losses just doesn't sit well with me if I'm looking for answers or help.
Now you know the rest of the story.
Yes I know you have been carrying this around for years now. I think I remember you from the Casinomeister site.Quote: 4ofaKindIn the early 2000's I was a heavy hitter at the Golden Palace online casino. Maybe you remember all the live boxers that were fighting with the Golden Palace casino's ad painted on their backs. Also, they were the online casino that were buying weird things like the Blessed Mother impression on toast or something for stupid money obviously for advertising gimmicks.
I was offered several times RFB and tickets to many fights in Las Vegas. I never took those but took a couple of comped offers for Atlantic City.
Most of the time I took none of those offers cause they seemed to reflect on my monthly cash backs which usually ranged from 2 to 4 thousand dollars. My cash backs were not based on any comp back system. My host would automatically within the first week of every month put a totally cash-able cash back into my account based on his personal review of my previous months action. Even if I had a winning cashed out month I got a comp although usually small.
Then came the UIGEA and they migrated to Golden Casino, which is when after a couple of years of complete opposite gaming results I realized Video Poker was rigged. This was around the time the poker scandals were exposed and I joined a couple of forums getting educated about how exactly online gaming was functioning.
I then quit online gaming (feeling cheated) and began investigating online casinos. I pursued several online gaming commissions all over the world with e-mails and snail mails requesting specific information. All I wanted to know was the programming requirements for video poker and how they were being enforced after launch. Never once from any of the 4 regulators did I receive a single response ever notifying me that they even received my mailings. This is when I started smelling a pile of decomposing shit.
After reading all the issues that endlessly still are taking place and obviously always were taking place, it also became obvious that absolutely no online regulation enforcement is in place what so ever that protects the player, or the games being offered from being gaffed after launch.
I never had any problems when playing Golden Palace including cash outs. The results I was having online were no different then land based casinos if not better, and started playing online more then land. I was also oblivious to any issues that may have been taking place during that time since I never researched online gaming. Golden Palace was my online home.
Now after years of research I'm certain online gaming is to risky to take serious. When the only place you have to go too if you have an issue and are being forced to count on sites like Casinomeister and his colluded Kangaroo court for any information or results, you probably need a head examination if your gambling at these off shore sites. Self appointed regulators / arbitrators living off online casinos and gamblers losses just doesn't sit well with me if I'm looking for answers or help.
Now you know the rest of the story.
I know somewhat of what went on there, I dont know the real story. Do tell....I think he sold out or something, whats the current status?
I take it you don't play online anymore I assume you still keep up with it a bit. Are there any OK sites to get online casino information from?
from all the posts and payoffs, Its hard to weed out total rip off jointsm that you have no chance at getting paid from the ones who made a few bad choices.
I had a 99% successful cash out rate with online casinos, But I ever let accounts build up or play as big as you probably did. I ran into some obviously gaffed casinos, like casino Bar(fro what i can remember), that's how I found WoO when I wanted to find out more. It looks like he did the calculation and found out the truth. I could have saved him time ;)
Quote: AxelWolfI know somewhat of what went on there, I dont know the real story. Do tell....I think he sold out or something, whats the current status?
I take it you don't play online anymore I assume you still keep up with it a bit. Are there any OK sites to get online casino information from?
Actually, not that we didn't already hijack the OP's thread, but I do believe his question was answered with the usual uncertain online format. Not that he got any confirmation on his question, but as usual anything relating to online gaming is always top secret and the player is always stuck with his personal assumptions.
I actually have information still, from an (X) RTG owner and screenshots of some of RTG's back-end I was trusted with. I just couldn't help myself convinced they were cheating after being told what the shots meant from an owner. I then made my biggest mistake by sharing some of this information with Casinomeister. Long story made short, some how after I blocked what I thought was all identifying information of the casino it was from before forwarding it to him; he sent it to RTG and within 24 hours I was immediately contacted from my source who was shocked that of all people in the industry, he questioned how I could possibly consider sending it to him. Obviously RTG knew which casino it belonged to and contacted them immediately.
That casino was completely shut down within two months after he sent RTG my screenshots, and migrated to a different name and software provider who from what I've read about since are considered rogue.
Maybe I should consider letting Michael review these screenshots, but if their is something there I'd hate to put him in a bad spot since he sponsors a RTG casino also.
The biggest problem this access to software gives the owner is the power it gives them to change anything they want to on the fly. Regardless what you've heard about only being three different slot RTP settings available for the casinos that would also require a written and approved request from the provider before the change could be made, that's false.
Certain owners if not all of them are given what they call a personalized key. (not sure what that means) But it gives them full access to the software's back-end whenever they want.
The whole story is actually much longer and much uglier, with actual threats being tossed around. This was a couple of years ago and I'm really not interested in getting into it any longer. Besides, anything that happens with online casinos doesn't matter since the player will always end up with the outcome in his or her ass.
Without regulators caring or actually enforcing anything after launch, online gaming won't be winning my money or stealing it anymore.
According to this site, bovada has 1.3m unique visitors per mo. Which makes it not surprising if we were to assume account number is numerically counted per person. 1.3m active people + 9m on hiatus seems to be about right.
What kinda bothers me is apparently their number jumped (doubled) after they REDUCED the payouts of video poker in about October 2013. Shouldn't reducing your odds discourage customers? Somehow the unique visitors number doubled instead.
According to the previous win post, there are 10 winners. So assuming if 5% of the 1.3m active members complete the Wednesday bonus, with a total of $5200, your expected earnings is $0.08
LOL
That makes me curious, how many times did you play through the bonus before you won the $520?
Not really sure because at the time it didn't matter how much you played or didn't play the game was over 100% and you also got and extra 52 bucks each time you wagered x amount or something. I can tell you it was not over 10k coin in.Quote: Neutrinohttps://siteanalytics.compete.com/bovada.lv/
According to this site, bovada has 1.3m unique visitors per mo. Which makes it not surprising if we were to assume account number is numerically counted per person. 1.3m active people + 9m on hiatus seems to be about right.
What kinda bothers me is apparently their number jumped (doubled) after they REDUCED the payouts of video poker in about October 2013. Shouldn't reducing your odds discourage customers? Somehow the unique visitors number doubled instead.
According to the previous win post, there are 10 winners. So assuming if 5% of the 1.3m active members complete the Wednesday bonus, with a total of $5200, your expected earnings is $0.08
LOL
That makes me curious, how many times did you play through the bonus before you won the $520?
Quote: AxelWolfNot really sure because at the time it didn't matter how much you played or didn't play the game was over 100% and you also got and extra 52 bucks or something.
still is extra $52, game is just not over 100% anymore.
Yep I understand, I think I was the first person to post up about the pay table cutsQuote: Neutrinostill is extra $52, game is just not over 100% anymore.
Quote: AxelWolfYep I understand, I think I was the first person to post up about the pay table cuts
God any guesses why incidentally as they cut pays their traffic doubled?
The worst video poker I recall playing was at the Gambling Federation (G-Fed) casinos. It was rigged beyond belief.
But for me at least, rigged software and uncertain payouts were minor inconveniences. I believe the serious operators tend to offer an honest gamble because it's the best way to do business. I also believe the industry is capable of developing effective self-regulation, but constant government interference has been a massively disruptive factor.
Quote: NeutrinoGod any guesses why incidentally as they cut pays their traffic doubled?
US football season?
I'm not sure that information is correct. If it is, I can only assume they used that money for more aggressive advertising. Maybe they spend a ton of money on advertising before the cut on pay tables, knowing this would bring in more people, they then cut the pays. I know they just added blackjack Tuesdays, and took away Thursdays bonuses perhaps more people like blackjack then other games.Quote: NeutrinoGod any guesses why incidentally as they cut pays their traffic doubled?
I think that's a bad assumption. And it has been proven wrong time after time.Look at the poker sites caught cheating and stealing. It even happened in Vegas bars and other places. The rule is, if they think they can get away with it, they probably do. The bigger the place, the more money is involved, even a bigger incentive to do so.Quote: gpac1377I believe the serious operators tend to offer an honest gamble because it's the best way to do business. ?
Quote: AxelWolfI think that's a bad assumption.
For a variety of reasons, there's been a lack of serious operators. But it seems to me that the major poker sites have generally been quite reliable, including PokerStars, Party, 888/Pacific, and iPoker. Although certainly the management at Full Tilt was negligent, the scandal there was caused by the US government.
In the online casino realm, I like publicly traded companies. They were very quick to pull out of the USA following the UIGEA passage, demonstrating their strong concerns about public relations and propriety.
Quote: NeutrinoGod any guesses why incidentally as they cut pays their traffic doubled?
Online gambling became legal in New Jersey at about that same time. I'd imagine all three events are very closely related.
I'll chime in that affiliate programs (payment for sign-ups) should be made illegal. Its the rug hiding the most dirt.
