Quote: Ace2And how do you evaluate those prices? Does BC have earnings? What's its price/earnings ratio?Quote: PokerGrinderIt’s funny I sold all btc back in January anticipating this fall. I’m currently buying more. If I liked btc at 50k and I loved it at 30k then I’ll fucking cream my pants for it at 20k. This doesn’t change my long term views of btc so I am thrilled with the price action. Also for me to be underwater on my investment btc would have to hit 10k which seems very unlikely lol.
By sold I just mean into stable coins not cashing out.
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BC is similar to gold only much worse. It's "value" is just based on hype and what the next sucker will pay
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Isn't that the same for gold?
What's gold real value?
If you were stuck on a desert island food and water would have more value than gold. How much value would gold have on a desert island?
Sounds like value based on hype to me!
Quote: billryanQuote: PokerGrinderIt’s funny I sold all btc back in January anticipating this fall. I’m currently buying more. If I liked btc at 50k and I loved it at 30k then I’ll fucking cream my pants for it at 20k. This doesn’t change my long term views of btc so I am thrilled with the price action. Also for me to be underwater on my investment btc would have to hit 10k which seems very unlikely lol.
By sold I just mean into stable coins not cashing out.
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I thought stable coins were somehow tied to the dollar but that doesn't seem to be true.
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ISDT which is what I use for stables is pegged to the dollar. I also get paid interest on my USDT holdings by lending them on exchange.
Quote: Ace2And how do you evaluate those prices? Does BC have earnings? What's its price/earnings ratio?Quote: PokerGrinderIt’s funny I sold all btc back in January anticipating this fall. I’m currently buying more. If I liked btc at 50k and I loved it at 30k then I’ll fucking cream my pants for it at 20k. This doesn’t change my long term views of btc so I am thrilled with the price action. Also for me to be underwater on my investment btc would have to hit 10k which seems very unlikely lol.
By sold I just mean into stable coins not cashing out.
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BC is similar to gold only much worse. It's "value" is just based on hype and what the next sucker will pay
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I stopped trying to convince anti-crypto people a while ago. Might as well be beating a dead horse. I’m not saying it’s bad to be anti-crypto btw, I don’t judge but I don’t agree is all. There are two extremes, those for it and against it and both are illogical imo. Too many people say it’s death or it’s Manna from heaven. There is an in between and I try to live in that in between the best I can.
Quote: darkozQuote: Ace2And how do you evaluate those prices? Does BC have earnings? What's its price/earnings ratio?Quote: PokerGrinderIt’s funny I sold all btc back in January anticipating this fall. I’m currently buying more. If I liked btc at 50k and I loved it at 30k then I’ll fucking cream my pants for it at 20k. This doesn’t change my long term views of btc so I am thrilled with the price action. Also for me to be underwater on my investment btc would have to hit 10k which seems very unlikely lol.
By sold I just mean into stable coins not cashing out.
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BC is similar to gold only much worse. It's "value" is just based on hype and what the next sucker will pay
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Isn't that the same for gold?
What's gold real value?
If you were stuck on a desert island food and water would have more value than gold. How much value would gold have on a desert island?
Sounds like value based on hype to me!
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I know that for a while, gold was one of the preferred materials in electronics. Some of the physical properties made it a very good material to make tiny precision electrical connections.
I think my old junior high shop class teacher told us that a vault full of steel was far more practical if you actually wanted to make something. We had great lectures in shop class.
I just posted this on LinkedIn and Facebook and it is appropriate here:
I am not a Bitcoin or cryptocurrency investor, but I am sorry that Bitcoin has now plunged wiping out all of its gains of 2022 and 2021 and so many cryptocurrency investors are now underwater. I'm sorry that they've lost so much money because that money represented "speculation assets" which is money which could have been used for other speculative plays.
Not every business has a rock solid business plan. Some are risky. Some are very risky. But even some of the riskiest business ventures might be worthwhile. And without "speculative assets" those riskiest business ventures might never see the light of day.
We need speculative assets and this crash of cryptocurrencies will deplete the supply of speculative assets. That's not a good thing for our dreamers.
Quote: billryanUnder 26K briefly before a small rally. Where are the true believers? How often can you buy a $100,000 asset for 75% off?
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Cathy Wood said this week that she believes it will go to $1 million by 2030.
Quote: DRichQuote: billryanUnder 26K briefly before a small rally. Where are the true believers? How often can you buy a $100,000 asset for 75% off?
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Cathy Wood said this week that she believes it will go to $1 million by 2030.
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And if it gets to one million in 2030 and then dips to $850,000 I believe Bill will post what a lousy investment it was because it lost $150,000 in value in a year.
Quote: darkozQuote: DRichQuote: billryanUnder 26K briefly before a small rally. Where are the true believers? How often can you buy a $100,000 asset for 75% off?
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Cathy Wood said this week that she believes it will go to $1 million by 2030.
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And if it gets to one million in 2030 and then dips to $850,000 I believe Bill will post what a lousy investment it was because it lost $150,000 in value in a year.
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You have pushed two investments here. I said they were both utter garbage. CYDY is down, about 90% since you started promoting it, and I think bitcoin has gone from $60,000 to under 30,000.. I'll let others decide who they might listen to, but it seems pretty obvious one of us is clueless about investing.
Quote: billryanQuote: darkozQuote: DRichQuote: billryanUnder 26K briefly before a small rally. Where are the true believers? How often can you buy a $100,000 asset for 75% off?
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Cathy Wood said this week that she believes it will go to $1 million by 2030.
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And if it gets to one million in 2030 and then dips to $850,000 I believe Bill will post what a lousy investment it was because it lost $150,000 in value in a year.
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You have pushed two investments here. I said they were both utter garbage. CYDY is down, about 90% since you started promoting it, and I think bitcoin has gone from $60,000 to under 30,000.. I'll let others decide who they might listen to, but it seems pretty obvious one of us is clueless about investing.
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I noticed you didn't deny what I said.
Gotcha!
(I noticed Netflix is down fifty percent since last month. Glad I didn't invest in that garbage)
Quote: billryanUnder 26K briefly before a small rally. Where are the true believers? How often can you buy a $100,000 asset for 75% off?
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I bought 40k last night. If you liked btc at 60k then you should love the 50% sale right now, I know I do.
Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: billryanUnder 26K briefly before a small rally. Where are the true believers? How often can you buy a $100,000 asset for 75% off?
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I bought 40k last night. If you liked btc at 60k then you should love the 50% sale right now, I know I do.
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Best of luck with it.
But I’m not sure anyone here will live long enough to see it.
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But I’m not sure anyone here will live long enough to see it.
I am never planning on living past the end of the month.
Quote: billryanI hadn't realized this, but the entire crypto industry has lost over half its value since last November. A trillion dollars in value vanished. Perhaps if you soak your bitcoin in lemonlabob overnight, it will emerge nicely polished.
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that has happened to the stock market too - more than once - and stocks are also doing really poorly now
the DJIA hit a low of 6469.65 on March 6, 2009 having lost more that 54% of its value since the October 9, 2007 high of 14,164.53
Bitcoin is much more speculative than stocks, so its swings will be much more extreme
it went up much more than the market until its crash - if it doesn't disappear completely its swings will surely continue to be very extreme
Bitcoin and other crypto have sent a message to the three piece suits world of finance that their world can be rocked too just as technology has rocked so many industries
whether or not that rocking will actually last can right now only be a guess
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I’ve said it before. It’s a solution looking for a problem.
Not surprised by the collapse.
Quote: rxwineWould buying Bitcoin perhaps for your kids or grandkids be a worthwhile risk? Hold it. Will it to them.. Maybe it will be worth a lot in 20 30 years. Maybe not.
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I'd go with beanie babies, myself.
Quote: rxwineWould buying Bitcoin perhaps for your kids or grandkids be a worthwhile risk? Hold it. Will it to them.. Maybe it will be worth a lot in 20 30 years. Maybe not.
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In 20-30 years, nobody will remember bitcoin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KZY41SqaTI
Yeah, just delay withdrawals by 7 days or 30 days will save the cryptocurrency. Seems some banks are in the same boat.
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Quote: billryan<...> A trillion dollars in valuehot air vanished.
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FIFY. Like any bubble, most 'value' is illusionary hype.
Had a coworker who was really very good at coding. Had patents and stuff. Also managed to lose over 5k in crypto when his exchange vanished.
Quote: BillHasRetiredQuote: billryan<...> A trillion dollars in valuehot air vanished.
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FIFY. Like any bubble, most 'value' is illusionary hype.
Had a coworker who was really very good at coding. Had patents and stuff. Also managed to lose over 5k in crypto when his exchange vanished.
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I had a guy who fell victim to a fallacy, and before you knew it, he was falling victim to them all. When you get on that hasty generalization, it leads to the slippery slope, and then it's over, it's like super mega jackpot bonus time on the pinball, you just get jammed up with all that fallacy.
Quote: WizardDown 55% since Nov 9. Is it just me or does anyone else see the emperor has no clothes?
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Now down 70% since Nov 9. Just sayin'.
"Now crypto concerns are hiring themselves the likes of Big Law firm Akin Gump to explain why investors can’t get access to $11 billion in frozen accounts at Celsius Network."
Could Coinbase be next?
"Coinbase lays off 18% of its workforce. The CEO cites an upcoming crypto winter"
“Crypto currencies are not even currencies. They’re a joke…The price of Bitcoin has fallen in a week by how much – 30 percent. It goes up 20 percent one day, collapses the next. It is not a means of payment, nobody, not even this blockchain conference, accepts Bitcoin for paying for conference fees cause you can do only five transactions per second with Bitcoin. With the Visa system you can do 25,000 transactions per second…Crypto’s nonsense. It’s a failure. Nobody’s using it for any transactions. It’s trading one sh*tcoin for another sh*tcoin. That’s the entire trading or currency in the space where’s there’s price manipulation, spoofing, wash trading, pump and dumping, frontrunning. It’s just a big criminal scam and nothing else.” - NYU Professor and economist Nouriel Roubini
Quote: TankoIt’s just a big criminal scam and nothing else.” - NYU Professor and economist Nouriel Roubini
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Nouriel Roubini, the ultimate crypto skeptic.... Launching a new tokenized asset.
https://news.bitcoin.com/dr-doom-nouriel-roubini-to-launch-tokenized-dollar-replacement-with-payment-and-esg-features/
If you can't beat em, join 'em.
Quote: OnceDearNouriel Roubini, the ultimate crypto skeptic.... Launching a new tokenized asset.
I am aware of that.
Unlike Bitcoin, which is not backed by any asset and has no intrinsic value, Roubini says the new dollar would be backed by real/financial assets.
"The new dollar would be backed by “a mix of short-term U.S. Treasuries, gold, and U.S. property (in the form of real estate investment trusts, or REITs),”
Warren Buffett gives his most expansive explanation for why he doesn’t believe in bitcoin
Quote: TankoQuote: OnceDearNouriel Roubini, the ultimate crypto skeptic.... Launching a new tokenized asset.
I am aware of that.
Unlike Bitcoin, which is not backed by any asset and has no intrinsic value, Roubini says the new dollar would be backed by real/financial assets.
"The new dollar would be backed by “a mix of short-term U.S. Treasuries, gold, and U.S. property (in the form of real estate investment trusts, or REITs),”
Warren Buffett gives his most expansive explanation for why he doesn’t believe in bitcoin
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Unfortunately the Warren buffet explanation just shows that even the smartest person in the room can be clueless.
He actually compares it to farming which is funny because Bitcoin has to be "mined" with what could be called Bitcoin farms.
His mistake is to believe that tangible goods must be goods you can physically hold in your hands. Bitcoin transaction generates mathematical problems that must be solved. Pay the Wizard to solve a math problem. Can you hold it in your hand?
At any rate if you had offered buffet 1% ownership of Bitcoin or a choice of 1% ownership of Blockbuster video in 2009, it's obvious which one he would have chosen from his comments.
We know how that choice would look like today.
Quote: darkozQuote: TankoQuote: OnceDearNouriel Roubini, the ultimate crypto skeptic.... Launching a new tokenized asset.
I am aware of that.
Unlike Bitcoin, which is not backed by any asset and has no intrinsic value, Roubini says the new dollar would be backed by real/financial assets.
"The new dollar would be backed by “a mix of short-term U.S. Treasuries, gold, and U.S. property (in the form of real estate investment trusts, or REITs),”
Warren Buffett gives his most expansive explanation for why he doesn’t believe in bitcoin
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Unfortunately the Warren buffet explanation just shows that even the smartest person in the room can be clueless.
He actually compares it to farming which is funny because Bitcoin has to be "mined" with what could be called Bitcoin farms.
His mistake is to believe that tangible goods must be goods you can physically hold in your hands. Bitcoin transaction generates mathematical problems that must be solved. Pay the Wizard to solve a math problem. Can you hold it in your hand?
At any rate if you had offered buffet 1% ownership of Bitcoin or a choice of 1% ownership of Blockbuster video in 2009, it's obvious which one he would have chosen from his comments.
We know how that choice would look like today.
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I don't think he's saying you can't make a failed stock pick; he's pointing out there are much more solid trustworthy investments. I don't think he see's any reliable way to analyze it. And he can't do anything with it except sell it back to someone at some point. You can often improve property. Or mine, drill, etc.,
Quote: WizardQuote: WizardDown 55% since Nov 9. Is it just me or does anyone else see the emperor has no clothes?
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Now down 70% since Nov 9. Just sayin'.
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Oof only up 30,000% in 11 years… terrible return.
probably somewhere around 0.000000000000001%?
Exactly. The initial investors of any "successful" startup usually make a s-ton of money. Caveat: some of these "successful" entities don't exist 15 years later.Quote: Gundyhow many people got the 30,000% return?
probably somewhere around 0.000000000000001%?
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Quote: Gundyhow many people got the 30,000% return?
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Amen to that. The many years BTC traded under $1 and nobody heard about it should, for all practical purposes, not count.
Quote: WizardQuote: Gundyhow many people got the 30,000% return?
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Amen to that. The many years BTC traded under $1 and nobody heard about it should, for all practical purposes, not count.
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Hi, Wizard.
I hate to agree/disagree with you but if we both agree on your statement above....
Bitcoin started around 2009 and broke $1 in 2011.
And by 2015, the furthest back that Google software tracks, it was at $436!
So not counting those "many" (two) years, I don't understand how over a decade of growth can still be suggested the average person didn't hear about or profit from it.
My son and daughter both claim they profited many years ago from Bitcoin (if anything they rue they sold too early!).
I feel your statement should perhaps be amended to no one over the age of forty who doesn't believe in this made any money while the younger generation went ahead and profited for over a decade.
Just my observation!
Quote: WizardQuote: Gundyhow many people got the 30,000% return?
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Amen to that. The many years BTC traded under $1 and nobody heard about it should, for all practical purposes, not count.
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I'm surprised you of all people want to just toss out historical facts and data and start new. That's exactly what systems players do whenever their system ends up failing. They will justify starting new by claiming they learned from their mistakes or tweaked their system.
BTC is still about double from what it as 2 years ago. Would you have been better off now had you held all the BTC you have received?
I have no clue if BTC or Crypto is a good investment at any given time or not. I do know BTC /Crypto is a great tool.
Quote: AxelWolfI have no clue if BTC or Crypto is a good investment at any given time or not.
Over all time, BTC will be a neutral investment. For every dollar Peter makes, a Paul somewhere will lose a dollar, although not at the same time.
Sure, people who got in early did well. However, it is at the expense of people who got on the train late.
Ultimately, it is a Ponzi scheme, a house of cards, that I believe is collapsing.
Quote:I do know BTC /Crypto is a great tool.
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Good, but not great. I can remember when I paid about $9 to do a trade and it took almost 24 hours to process. Granted, that has improved. It is also a huge energy hog.
BTC may have been a good start, but I think a new generation of cryptocurrency will come along that will cost under a penny per transaction, take under a second, and be based on something real. When that happens, BTC will be a relic that we will laugh at the way we laugh at the Beanie Baby craze of the 90's.
“Hindsight is 20/20”
-Barbara Walters
Question for the BTC faithful -- At what price will your faith start to crack?
Fire sale 🔥 🔥🔥
Quote: GundyI can't believe people buy this crap. It's going to zero.
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So is the U.S. Dollar. No fiat currency has ever not eventually failed.
Quote: Wizard
Over all time, BTC will be a neutral investment. For every dollar Peter makes, a Paul somewhere will lose a dollar, although not at the same time.
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You are describing a zero sum game but cryptocurrency is not a zero sum game.
With crypto everyone can lose everything.
Or you paid double what it will cost next monthQuote: PokerGrinderI bought more just now at 19,012.89
Fire sale 🔥 🔥🔥
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“Buying the dip” mentality is one of the hallmarks of a bubble