AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22282
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
January 16th, 2013 at 12:48:43 AM permalink
they keep changing the pays on Joker poker its down to like break even one mistake and you could be - ev
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
24Bingo
24Bingo
  • Threads: 23
  • Posts: 1348
Joined: Jul 4, 2012
January 16th, 2013 at 1:45:46 AM permalink
...you're -ev with no mistakes. It's the same on the image on the Wizard's site linking to the demo, and he usually takes a while to update those - the edge is over 1% with perfect play. (The sequential royal bonus isn't taken into account, but since that's 1/120 as likely as a natural royal, it's probably not much.)

Why would you expect anything else? They need to make money, and they can't employ the cat-and-mouse tactics of brick and mortar casinos. What kind of business model would it be to just give unlimited money automatically to anyone with the patience and bankroll to grind away at it?

EDIT: ...it looks like, according to his own strategy calculator, the Wizard's analysis is wrong, and the game's edge is tiny, small enough for the 1/1000 BCB promotion to give the player a slight edge. Huh.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
  • Threads: 1494
  • Posts: 26526
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
January 16th, 2013 at 6:10:08 AM permalink
Are you guys referring to the download or "play instantly" casino?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
24Bingo
24Bingo
  • Threads: 23
  • Posts: 1348
Joined: Jul 4, 2012
January 16th, 2013 at 8:40:58 AM permalink
It's the same.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
JB
Administrator
JB
  • Threads: 334
  • Posts: 2089
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
January 16th, 2013 at 9:41:17 AM permalink
The single-hand version returns 100.0459% and the multi-hand version returns 98.4790%.
iluvdisco33
iluvdisco33
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 112
Joined: Dec 17, 2012
January 16th, 2013 at 10:50:08 AM permalink
I don't fully understand, and I'm in process of joining Bovada. If I play single line then I'll win, but if I play the multiline version I will lose??
JB
Administrator
JB
  • Threads: 334
  • Posts: 2089
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
January 16th, 2013 at 10:58:34 AM permalink
The single-hand version returns just over 100% in the long run when played perfectly.

The multi-hand version will never return over 100% in the long run, even when played perfectly.

In the short run anything is possible, such as losing at the single-hand version and winning at the multi-hand version.
bigfoot66
bigfoot66
  • Threads: 54
  • Posts: 1582
Joined: Feb 5, 2010
January 16th, 2013 at 11:17:55 AM permalink
Quote: JB

The single-hand version returns just over 100% in the long run when played perfectly.

The multi-hand version will never return over 100% in the long run, even when played perfectly.

In the short run anything is possible, such as losing at the single-hand version and winning at the multi-hand version.



Huh? I thought it was all dumb luck... Has this concept been discussed on this site before? [/sarcasm]
Vote for Nobody 2020!
  • Jump to: