Nersesian questions solicited
What are his thoughts about this, and does he know how pervasive it is in the strip casinos?
Seems an astounding display of both chutzpah and criminal intent on behalf of the casinos, but hey, it's Nevada, baby!
these days?
Quote: SandybestdogI have always wondered how casino's get away with freely sharing info among themselves and databases? I mean, I work in retail and handle customers sensitive info. We are taught to keep it secure. If the FTC were to see a copy of a drivers license sitting out in the open, it could be a $16,000 fine. Yet casino's blatantly share your info.
About a year ago, I was playing $10 blackjack and a security guard came up to me and said management doesn't really want me playing there anymore. I was caught off guard as I wasn't expecting it. I simply left and thought that was the end of it. I then found myself being backed off almost everywhere I went. I was even asked to leave a poker room playing low stakes limit poker. I basically can't play rated anywhere now.
How is it legal for casinos to do this? Yes they have the right to ask you not to play at their establishment but how can they possibly get away with slandering my name to every other casino around and hindering my right to play at any other establishment?
Only the casino business does this too.
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What are his thoughts about this, and does he know how pervasive it is in the strip casinos?
Seems an astounding display of both chutzpah and criminal intent on behalf of the casinos, but hey, it's Nevada, baby!
Wow. I totally missed this report last year. I think this would be a great topic if Bob is willing to discuss it in more detail.
Quote: IbeatyouracesOnly the casino business does this too.
Credit/financial industry does it.
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Wow. I totally missed this report last year. I think this would be a great topic if Bob is willing to discuss it in more detail.
I agree. He will definitely be asked off line if he has anything to say on it. If he says 'yes,' you can bet it will make the show. If he says 'no,' then we won't talk about it.
Quote: onenickelmiracleIt's an interesting idea. WOF isn't identical to any gambling device, or perceived to be a gambling device used elsewhere. However, it you invented a wheel that was identical to the wheel of fortune wheel, would the slot become illegal? I do kinda wish games like WOF did have an option to only trigger a fair wheel that would land less often but have the same return.
To copy the wheel would require WOF licensing their patent. Licensing a patent that would put them out of business doesn't sound too likely to me. A very similar wheel is used on Wheel Poker --- and that wheel had to be licensed from whoever created the WOF wheel.
There are games with fair random bits to them. Hot Roll is a video poker game where your multiplier is determined by representations of fair dice --- where you get 2 or 12 1/36 of the time each, 3 or 11 2/36 of the time each, etc. It's not a wheel, but it is fair. Players do not seem to be flocking to play it.
Quote: BobDancerTo copy the wheel would require WOF licensing their patent. Licensing a patent that would put them out of business doesn't sound too likely to me. A very similar wheel is used on Wheel Poker --- and that wheel had to be licensed from whoever created the WOF wheel.
I believe it was Anchor Gaming and Randy Adams that first patented Wheel of Gold. I believe IGT licensed it from Anchor before eventually buying Anchor. I believe their original wheel patents are now public domain.
Quote: monet0412Sands and Shills... As I have said over and over... Lie, Cheat and Steal is what the game is all about. Get used to it!
It is not incredible to see what shades casinos will go to to get business. Casinos are willing to sign up players in China where gambling debts are not recognized.
I'd like to know his thoughts on this.
Me too... To play devils advocate, they are private businesses. For example, in Europe they have a clause in the paperwork you have to sign to become a member of their clubs stating you will not count cards. Thus, if they can prove you did, then you did indeed violate that agreement. HOWEVER, on yet another appearance with Bob N. he stated (accurately) that good card counters can NOT physically sit at a table and NOT count the cards. Thus the agreement would be null and void because they can't enter in to such an agreement as it's not something they are physically capable of doing. A lot of options for both sides =P... which is why I'd also like to hear his opinion on this:Quote: jopkeOn page 30 of his book Law for Gamblers, Bob N asserts that players sharing info in Pai Gow Tiles could be considered cheating. He cites the casino having a sign restricting communication as part of the argument. This opinion would imply sharing info in any card game, like Lunar Poker, is in the “cheating” category, which I disagree with. Further, a sign restricting communication doesn’t seem to be relevant. If the casino put up a sign that said “no card counting” I don’t think that would make counting cards cheating.
I'd like to know his thoughts on this.
- Casino "rules" to prevent AP such as signs about discussing hands, sharing information, clauses about card counting in player agreements, etc.
Quote: RomesMe too... To play devils advocate, they are private businesses. For example, in Europe they have a clause in the paperwork you have to sign to become a member of their clubs stating you will not count cards. Thus, if they can prove you did, then you did indeed violate that agreement. HOWEVER, on yet another appearance with Bob N. he stated (accurately) that good card counters can NOT physically sit at a table and NOT count the cards. Thus the agreement would be null and void because they can't enter in to such an agreement as it's not something they are physically capable of doing. A lot of options for both sides =P... which is why I'd also like to hear his opinion on this:
- Casino "rules" to prevent AP such as signs about discussing hands, sharing information, clauses about card counting in player agreements, etc.
Big difference between breaking the house rules and cheating. I have no problem if a casino says "don't do this, if you do we'll kick you out" vs "don't do this, if you do you'll be arrested." So for me, the word cheating is the key, at least in the context of this particular book that word implies breaking the law.
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Will it be archived for later viewing?
http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/richard-munchkin/gambling-with-an-edge
I believe it's shared on their FB Page, Richard's YouTube, and the gamblingwithanedge website.Quote: MrVHow and when can I view the show on my computer?
Will it be archived for later viewing?
