Craps with Odds vs Video Poker
June 4th, 2012 at 1:37:18 AM
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| Game | StdDev | Variance |
|---|---|---|
| 9/6 JoB | 4.442 | 19.51 |
| NSU | 5.04 | 25.78 |
| FPDW | 5.08 | 25.84 |
Then reference this thread: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/1213-variance-in-craps/
Is there any way to plug pass/don't pass with, say, 5X odds into the above table for comparison?
June 4th, 2012 at 11:47:51 AM
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The only way to "plug in" would be to use a spreadsheet and plug in the numbers.
The thread shows how it is done exactly.
For pass with 5X odds I get SD = 5.82 Var=33.92
var: 33.91899194
sd: 5.824001368
The don't pass should be the almost the same
33.89122819
5.821617317
Yep!
You should be able to calculate this for any odds factor following the method Alan showed in that thread.
The thread shows how it is done exactly.
For pass with 5X odds I get SD = 5.82 Var=33.92
var: 33.91899194
sd: 5.824001368
wager/oddsX
5 net result mean diff squared ways gross var
1 cor 1 -0.014141414 1.014141414 1.028482808 440 452.5324355
1 cor -1 -0.014141414 -0.985858586 0.971917151 220 213.8217733
5 5,9 -6 -0.014141414 -5.985858586 35.83050301 264 9459.252795
5 4,10 -6 -0.014141414 -5.985858586 35.83050301 220 7882.710662
5 6,8 -6 -0.014141414 -5.985858586 35.83050301 300 10749.1509
win
5 5,9 8.5 -0.014141414 8.514141414 72.49060402 176 12758.34631
5 4,10 11 -0.014141414 11.01414141 121.3113111 110 13344.24422
5 6,8 7 -0.014141414 7.014141414 49.19817978 250 12299.54494
flat bet 1 totals 1980 67159.6040
var 33.91899194
sd 5.824001368
The don't pass should be the almost the same
33.89122819
5.821617317
Yep!
You should be able to calculate this for any odds factor following the method Alan showed in that thread.
June 4th, 2012 at 12:51:36 PM
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Thanks!
(what thread?)
(what thread?)
| Game | StdDev | Variance |
|---|---|---|
| 9/6 JoB | 4.44 | 19.51 |
| NSU | 5.04 | 25.78 |
| FPDW | 5.08 | 25.84 |
| Pass Line w/5X odds | 5.82 | 33.92 |
| Dark Side w/5X lay | 5.82 | 33.89 |
June 4th, 2012 at 2:05:52 PM
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Oops! Nice catch.Quote: QuadDeucesThanks!
(what thread?)
The one you linked to shows an example on how to calculate variance. I thought it was for the pass with odds.
I had no reading glasses on!
This is the one I used to set up my Excel spreadsheet.
Pass SD - Alan post
Example used is 3,4,5X odds
You should be able to make a pass odds table like this. ($1 bet)
Pass Line Table: Standard Deviation and Average bet
(Full 2X is when the 6&8 can take 2.5X odds. This is allowed by most all casinos, especially on an even flat bet. Example: $10 pass point is 6. 2X odds would be $20. Full 2X odds would be $25)
| Odds | $SD | avg bet |
|---|---|---|
| 0 | $0.9999 | 1.00 |
| 1 | $1.8931 | 1.67 |
| 2 | $2.8579 | 2.33 |
| Full 2X | $2.9547 | 2.47 |
| 3 | $3.8407 | 3.00 |
| 345X | $4.9156 | 3.78 |
| 4 | $4.8306 | 3.67 |
| 5 | $5.8240 | 4.33 |
| 6 | $6.8193 | 5.00 |
| 7 | $7.8158 | 5.67 |
| 8 | $8.8131 | 6.33 |
| 9 | $9.8109 | 7.00 |
| 10 | $10.8092 | 7.67 |
| 20 | $20.8009 | 14.33 |
| 40 | $40.7965 | 27.67 |
| 50 | $50.7956 | 34.33 |
| 60 | $60.7950 | 41.00 |
| 80 | $80.7942 | 54.33 |
| 100 | $100.7938 | 67.67 |
Also for the don't pass.
the *perfect 1980* used for the don't pass calculations
Don't Pass
Event ways
comeout win 165
comeout loss 440
push 55
win on 6 150
loss on 6 125
win on 8 150
loss on 8 125
win on 5 132
loss on 5 88
win on 9 132
loss on 9 88
win on 4 110
loss on 4 55
win on 10 110
loss on 10 55
total 1980
Don't Pass Table: Standard Deviation and Average bet
| . | Don't Pass | per $1 bet |
|---|---|---|
| Odds | $SD | avg bet |
| 0 | $0.9859 | $1.00 |
| 1 | $1.8857 | $2.00 |
| 2 | $2.8530 | $3.00 |
| Full 2X | $3.0320 | $3.17 |
| 3 | $3.8371 | $4.00 |
| 345X | $4.9150 | $5.00 |
| 4 | $4.8278 | $5.00 |
| 5 | $5.8216 | $6.00 |
| 6 | $6.8173 | $7.00 |
| 7 | $7.8140 | $8.00 |
| 8 | $8.8115 | $9.00 |
| 9 | $9.8095 | $10.00 |
| 10 | $10.8079 | $11.00 |
| 20 | $20.8002 | $21.00 |
| 40 | $40.7961 | $41.00 |
| 50 | $50.7953 | $51.00 |
| 60 | $60.7948 | $61.00 |
| 80 | $80.7941 | $81.00 |
| 100 | $100.7936 | $101.00 |
June 4th, 2012 at 2:15:45 PM
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Quote: QuadDeucesThanks!
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Game StdDev Variance 9/6 JoB 4.44 19.51 NSU 5.04 25.78 FPDW 5.08 25.84 Pass Line w/5X odds 5.82 33.92 Dark Side w/5X lay 5.82 33.89
wowzers.. i should play 9/6 JoB instead!
but i just dont get the kind of excitement as a LONG roll in craps. after you've hit a few royals, it's eh.
but when u start with $5 flat, 3/4/5x odds and have over $1000 on the table because of a long roll, it's Heaven.
too bad that has only happened to me 3times in my life :(
unfoteunately, i've had many sessions where i lost my bankroll which mor than makes up for these hot streaks. sigh..
it's all about the fun (for me)
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
