My dice control strategy works! $200+ in less than 10 minutes
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Quote: alphastormDice control is real and totally works but it only lasts for about two rolls. For it to work, you cannot hit the back wall. It requires tremendous skill of dexterity so you must practice the 2/2 dice set and throw on axis. I would recommend bet heavy for the first two rolls after a point is established. I bet $640 across. Easy $200+ per casino from two hits. Then after they remind you to hit the back wall a second time, remove all bets, and cash out. Go to the next casino and repeat.
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So which number(s) do you roll, and how often? Have you ever 7d out before you cashed out?
tuttigym
Quote: alphastormDice control is real and totally works but it only lasts for about two rolls.
it either works or it doesnt ... unless you think the dice have memory
Quote:For it to work, you cannot hit the back wall.
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my state laws specifically say that the dice must hit the back wall in order for it to be a legal roll
they are way ahead of you
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it either works or it doesnt ... unless you think the dice have memory
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Hey, if a Roulette wheel has a memory, why not dice?
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it either works or it doesnt ... unless you think the dice have memory
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Hey, if a Roulette wheel has a memory, why not dice?
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the roulette wheel always follows the same path unless you actively switch the direction of the wheel for every spin... they need RRS for some reason though
i do think roulette is slightly less random than dice control though ... unless RRS is employed
also
do you mean that's because they might allow you to miss the back wall for the first couple of rolls, and not call 'no roll' on you?Quote: alphastormDice control is real and totally works but it only lasts for about two rolls.
you can definitely try to hit the back wall below the pyramid rows in most tables I've seen. In my book the perfect toss lands there, just out of steam; and theoretically satisfying set conditions at least for a while, along with your thinking as it seems to indicate. I'd like to get more that 2 rolls!Quote:For it to work, you cannot hit the back wall.
this set?Quote:It requires tremendous skill of dexterity so you must practice the 2/2 dice set and throw on axis.
won't you run out of casinos unless you rent an RV and go all over the country like that 'inside the edge' guy? In any case I congratulate you if you have that dexterity you mention. I have to admit I do not.Quote:I would recommend bet heavy for the first two rolls after a point is established. I bet $640 across. Easy $200+ per casino from two hits. Then after they remind you to hit the back wall a second time, remove all bets, and cash out. Go to the next casino and repeat.
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Quote: heatmapQuote: alphastormDice control is real and totally works but it only lasts for about two rolls.
it either works or it doesnt ... unless you think the dice have memory
I'm pretty sure the claim is that it "always" works as long as you don't hit the back wall, but after two rolls, you will be warned to start hitting the back wall, so you remove all bets and go to another casino.
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Is Wynn the only casino that sells dice that don't appear to be drilled? Then again, I don't think I have ever seen a pair of transparent Wynn dice for sale in their gift shop - I have a pair of solid blacks (and, by far, the most expensive pair in my collection). Encore, yes, but not Wynn.
dunno but comes from a Wizard pageQuote: ThatDonGuy
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Is Wynn the only casino that sells dice that don't appear to be drilled? Then again, I don't think I have ever seen a pair of transparent Wynn dice for sale in their gift shop - I have a pair of solid blacks (and, by far, the most expensive pair in my collection). Encore, yes, but not Wynn.
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https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/4/
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Quote: odiousgambitthis set?
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Is Wynn the only casino that sells dice that don't appear to be drilled? Then again, I don't think I have ever seen a pair of transparent Wynn dice for sale in their gift shop - I have a pair of solid blacks (and, by far, the most expensive pair in my collection). Encore, yes, but not Wynn.
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Personal curiosity: Is this a question.about the dice being uncancelled, or.about the cancellation not being a drill?
edit: After a bit of looking, the drill cancellation appears to be on the #4 side, in the middle.
Drilling must take time.
The circular cancel mark can be applied at the table each time a new stick of dice is used.
Some other thoughts:
In Nevada there is no law about how dice must be thrown, but the NGC allows casinos to have their own rules. The NGC does say there are expected .minimum requirements for a legal throw and those EXPECTED MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS are that two dice:
Must be thrown simultaneously
Must fly in the air
Must hit the table surface at least once
Must hit the back wall
If you demand to see the law in Nevada that defines a legal dice throw I'm sorry you will not find one.
By the way, I don't think there's a law about how to deal cards or play blackjack either. Yet there are minimum standards that are expected.
you've got to tell us more than that! ................ oh, well, I can see how this is going to goQuote: AxelWolfI won't say any more, but I finally seen something of significant interest regarding DI.
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI've never seen dice canceled with a drill, but instead with a device that scrapes a circle into the surface of one face.
Drilling must take time.
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I looked into the cancellation device. Fascinating.
Quote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonI've never seen dice canceled with a drill, but instead with a device that scrapes a circle into the surface of one face.
Drilling must take time.
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I looked into the cancellation device. Fascinating.
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What kind of device?
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonI've never seen dice canceled with a drill, but instead with a device that scrapes a circle into the surface of one face.
Drilling must take time.
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I looked into the cancellation device. Fascinating.
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What kind of device?
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https://www.kardwell.com/dice-tools-monogram-canceller-used-to-cancel-out-the-stampings-or-logo-on-dice
This may be a tangential hijacking. I can split the thread on request.
Sorry, but that won't ever happen, unless they themselves say it's ok, and from what I could see, I certainly wouldn't.Quote: odiousgambityou've got to tell us more than that! ................ oh, well, I can see how this is going to goQuote: AxelWolfI won't say any more, but I finally seen something of significant interest regarding DI.
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: alphastormDice control is real and totally works but it only lasts for about two rolls. For it to work, you cannot hit the back wall. It requires tremendous skill of dexterity so you must practice the 2/2 dice set and throw on axis. I would recommend bet heavy for the first two rolls after a point is established. I bet $640 across. Easy $200+ per casino from two hits. Then after they remind you to hit the back wall a second time, remove all bets, and cash out. Go to the next casino and repeat.
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So which number(s) do you roll, and how often? Have you ever 7d out before you cashed out?
tuttigym
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Let me try again: So which numbers do you toss or roll and how often? Have you ever 7d out before you cashed out?
tuttigym
Quote: alphastormDice control is real and totally works but it only lasts for about two rolls. For it to work, you cannot hit the back wall. It requires tremendous skill of dexterity so you must practice the 2/2 dice set and throw on axis. I would recommend bet heavy for the first two rolls after a point is established. I bet $640 across. Easy $200+ per casino from two hits. Then after they remind you to hit the back wall a second time, remove all bets, and cash out. Go to the next casino and repeat.
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Ridiculous on four levels for starters:
1:
12 of 36 toss results are wasted or deadly (2,3,7,11,12).
24 of 36 results earn something if you've bet $640 across.
This puts the downside on a premature 7 at roughly:
- $640 or
- $440 if you threw a 4 or 10 before a premature 7.
- If you throw crap or eleven you win nothing before being no-rolled.
2:
Only Vegas has enough casinos in one area to make the logistics even possible.
3:
Doing this sort of hustle actually requires way more skill than it would appear.
ASSUMING one could reliably toss on-axis and avoid the seven by having the
dice stop short of the backwall, that same one should be able to have both dice
kiss the backwall before losing steam and be totally legit.
4:
In order to do this fantasy, you need to be totally at your best level of
skill so that when you belly up to an unfamiliar table your very first two
precision shots will not suffer in the slightest bit from variation in:
fabric bounce, chair-rail height, chair-rail width, table-surface height, etc.
That just requires sheer luck.
I'd much rather bet $640 on the Don'ts
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12 of 36 toss results are wasted or deadly (2,3,7,11,12).
24 of 36 results earn something if you've bet $640 across.
This puts the downside on a premature 7 at roughly:
- $640 or
- $440 if you threw a 4 or 10 before a premature 7.
- If you throw crap or eleven you win nothing before being no-rolled.
This part of the problem is easily solved with a $20 horn bet. Now the only loser is a 7 out. however, I pretty much agree with Nos. 3 & 4 as posted by onebok.
tuttigym
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it either works or it doesnt ... unless you think the dice have memory
It works when you don't hit the back wall. It doesn't work when you do hit the back wall. There is a difference.
Quote:my state laws specifically say that the dice must hit the back wall in order for it to be a legal roll
they are way ahead of you
Different states, different laws. Even most casinos in each state has different rules. Try playing in 50 casinos and I guarantee you will find different rules among them.
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So which number(s) do you roll, and how often? Have you ever 7d out before you cashed out?
The out side numbers come more often
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you can definitely try to hit the back wall below the pyramid rows in most tables I've seen. In my book the perfect toss lands there, just out of steam; and theoretically satisfying set conditions at least for a while, along with your thinking as it seems to indicate. I'd like to get more that 2 rolls!
When you hit the the alligators, it becomes random.
Quote:this set?
yes
Quote:won't you run out of casinos unless you rent an RV and go all over the country like that 'inside the edge' guy? In any case I congratulate you if you have that dexterity you mention. I have to admit I do not.
I just don't repeat the same casino over and over. I wait and then go to different shifts. Worse they can do is say "no roll". I just leave.
So which number(s) do you roll, and how often? Have you ever 7d out before you cashed out?
Quote: alphastormThe out side numbers come more often
Thank you for the answer to the first part of the post. How about the second part: ever 7 out prior to cashing out?
tuttigym
I applaud anyone who can get any actual edge over the casinos. However, this seems to me to be a very low EV-per hour play even before you factor in practice hours. On the upside, you get a lot of exercise going from one joint to another in a casino-dense city. You might also be checking slots to help the EV per hour.Quote: alphastorm
I just don't repeat the same casino over and over. I wait and then go to different shifts. Worse they can do is say "no roll". I just leave.
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So which number(s) do you roll, and how often? Have you ever 7d out before you cashed out?
Thankfully, it hasn't happen yet. Like I said, you need to practice tossing the dice without hitting the back wall. I know many people who can do it consistently. The problem comes from how bouncy the tables are. For this, you need to test the tables before betting.
Quote: MentalI applaud anyone who can get any actual edge over the casinos. However, this seems to me to be a very low EV-per hour play even before you factor in practice hours. On the upside, you get a lot of exercise going from one joint to another in a casino-dense city. You might also be checking slots to help the EV per hour.
This is exactly what I do. I vulture the video poker, I check the slots and exercise is a side effect lol
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So which number(s) do you roll, and how often? Have you ever 7d out before you cashed out?
Thankfully, it hasn't happen yet. Like I said, you need to practice tossing the dice without hitting the back wall. I know many people who can do it consistently. The problem comes from how bouncy the tables are. For this, you need to test the tables before betting.Quote: MentalI applaud anyone who can get any actual edge over the casinos. However, this seems to me to be a very low EV-per hour play even before you factor in practice hours. On the upside, you get a lot of exercise going from one joint to another in a casino-dense city. You might also be checking slots to help the EV per hour.
This is exactly what I do. I vulture the video poker, I check the slots and exercise is a side effect lol
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How does one vulture video poker? That is a new one foe me.
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How does one vulture video poker? That is a new one foe me.
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Ultimate-X, UX Bonus Streak and VP progressives are the most common ways I know of, but this can be brutally competitive in casino-dense areas. I will play a UX multiplier if I see it walking by, but i will not sit and go through the games. This is almost always a waste of time. There is much more value in vulturing slots.
