Dice setter meetup at ELEMENTS casino, Brantford
Quote: boymimboNot nearly as dismal as having to drive the 190 north from the 290 interchange through grand island.
But yeah the QEW / link / 403 trip can be boring. I've only done that drive about 2,000 times. And Brantford itself is pretty dismal with the exception of being the childhood home of the Great One.
I used dismal only to imply length.... 2 hours from where I live. And the effing customs..... On the way home Sunday from picking up my girl and her daughter from Pearson airport (Toronto), when I got to customs there were exactly 3 vehicles in front of us. The customs agent took 10 minutes on the first vehicle, BEFORE sending it over for more inspection to a different place. All the other lanes were moving at around a minute per car. My agent after that car did a full vehicle inspection including opening the trunk on the second car. 5 minutes. When he got to us, he asked two questions, looked at our passports and let us go. But in the middle of a 2 hour drive a totally wasted 20 minutes really sucks.
Quote: WizardLet me preface this by saying that I really don't like craps and have never dealt any game, much less craps.
That said, I've never once heard a dealer ask a player trying to bet on the 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, or 10, "do you want a place or a buy bet?" Never. It is my understanding that the dealers automatically give players the better of the two, as long as rounding isn't an issue. The better of the two is place bets on the 5, 6, 8, and 10 and buy bets on the 4 and 10, regardless how the commission is charged on the 4 and 10.
As for the rounding issue, that is only an issue on the 4 and 10. You need to bet at least $20 to get the better buy bet odds. If you bet $5, $10, or $15, then you'll get the stingier 9 to 5 odds.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, as always.
You're very correct on this but instead of playing $20.00 you can place $15 on both 4 and 10 then after a single win on either one, just buy both 4 and 10 for $25 and now you're collecting 50 for $1 for each additional win of the 4 or 10.
Personally, I wouldn't waste the time and effort betting these two numbers, as they do not get rolled enough to merit profit against the dreaded seven.
Anyone playing craps and betting all the numbers across is just asking for punishment against the dreaded seven.
I've posted some cool betting strategies of my INSIDE/OUT I'd like you to check out and give feedback on. I currently use all of them at the tables depending on the table minimum including long term play.
INSIDE/OUT
Quote: LaymedownPersonally, I wouldn't waste the time and effort betting ANY numbers, as they do not get rolled enough to merit profit against the dreaded seven.
I fixed it for you. Your welcome!
But for a regular craps player who actually plays the game, they have a much clearer understanding of the game.
PokerGrinder, I suggest finding something that interests you away from craps.
THIS GAME IS NOT FOR YOU.
There is no place for poker players at the craps table.
The problem is Poker players are attracted to the tables, but have not a single clue pertaining to playing the game.
I see poker players or the wives, coming to the table and bringing $2000, some $5000 and I watch them lose it fast.
The game is fun. But not for poker players. 100% of them think they can utilize there skills, but in reality, there is no relationship between the two games.
If you read my POSTS, you would have seen that I failed the nine's challenge trial run two times. so keep your money and don't let guys like me get to you or entice you to play craps, because guy's like you will lose.
I do have a question for you though?
If you are holding pocket AA's and the flop, turn and river shows 4-5-6-7-A
What do you do?
Quote: WizardThe challenge to the challenge will be getting LMD to actually agree to a challenge
My edit bolded.
Quote: LaymedownIf you read my POSTS, you would have seen that I failed the nine's challenge trial run two times.
So then, does your failure mean you no longer wish to meet up with WoVers in order to see if you can roll more nines than expected?
Is the cold wind of reality blowing down your neck, causing second thoughts?
Understandable.
Just admit it was all a bunch of baloney and move on.
The wizard had mentioned something that made me question the probability. I in turn responded, yes it's definitely doable for a dice setter rolling trending numbers and repeats. I've proved this theory many many times.
The wizard then put a challenge on the table so quick and it made me question.
1) I just told him it was doable with flying colors and he responded so quick with a challenge.
2) Then an offer of 2:1 was put in place in hopes I would jump at it and seal the deal to the challenge.
This is too good to be true is now running through my mind and i'm thinking,
(THESE WOV GUYS ARE SUCKERS AND I CAN EASILY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS CHALLENGE)
3) Are they preparing themselves to possibly SCAM a new member to the forum?
4) 2:1 saying I can't do it when I just finished telling the wizard it's totally doable with flying colors.
5) Escrow funds ($80,000.00) in hopes to win double the amount.
6) Am I a fool to fall for this?
What do you think my response would be?
In all honesty, MY WIFE CAN DO THE CHALLENGE AND WIN. What kind of odds can you give on this one.
You guys are too fast in pushing something like this challenge it actually made me change my mind.
Putting the challenge behind us, I think many of you guys have a great knowledge about many aspects in the gambling world.
But some of you are just NOT.
I will gladly accept any CASH challenges directly at the table, but that's it that's all. If you've got the balls to make such a bet with me in cash, then you know where I play. Meet me there and bring the CASH and i'll gladly take it from you. so until then, put up or shut up about these challenges.
I've mentioned to everyone from the start I DO NOT DO CHALLENGES but you guys just are so desperate. PLEASE STOP with the challenges.
Quote: LaymedownPokerGrinder, I completely expected this reply from you.
There is no place for poker players at the craps table.
The problem is Poker players are attracted to the tables, but have not a single clue pertaining to playing the game.
I see poker players or the wives, coming to the table and bringing $2000, some $5000 and I watch them lose it fast.
The game is fun. But not for poker players. 100% of them think they can utilize there skills, but in reality, there is no relationship between the two games.
If you read my POSTS, you would have seen that I failed the nine's challenge trial run two times. so keep your money and don't let guys like me get to you or entice you to play craps, because guy's like you will lose.
I do have a question for you though?
If you are holding pocket AA's and the flop, turn and river shows 4-5-6-7-A
What do you do?
🤦♂️ you are just a lost cause. You are arguing against mathematics and you tell me I have no clue what I’m doing. Have you not realized that not a single person here believes you? Well maybe WMW but he’s another story lol. I’m done trying to talk logically, enjoy your fake reality where you are the king of the craps table. Just remember to wipe the drool from your mouth when you wake up from your dream.
Say hi to the Easter bunny and Santa Claus for me!
Welsher.
You talk about "balls?"
As if.
Quote: PokerGrinder🤦♂️ you are just a lost cause. You are arguing against mathematics and you tell me I have no clue what I’m doing. Have you not realized that not a single person here believes you? Well maybe WMW but he’s another story lol. I’m done trying to talk logically, enjoy your fake reality where you are the king of the craps table. Just remember to wipe the drool from your mouth when you wake up from your dream.
Say hi to the Easter bunny and Santa Claus for me!
AT LEAST ANSWER THE F'N QUESTION?
If you are holding pocket AA's and the flop, turn and river shows 4-5-6-7-A
What do you do?
iF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THEN YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A FRAUD WHO JUST LIKES TO TROLL FORUMS.
Quote: LaymedownAT LEAST ANSWER THE F'N QUESTION?
If you are holding pocket AA's and the flop, turn and river shows 4-5-6-7-A
What do you do?
iF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THEN YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A FRAUD WHO JUST LIKES TO TROLL FORUMS.
Yikes.... He can't answer that question because there is so much information missing. Is it a cash game? Is it a tournament? How much were the antes? How much has already been bet? In what sequence? How many players are still involved in the pot? Are the involved players 'loose'? tight? Those are just a few off of the top of my head.
Quote: SOOPOOYikes.... He can't answer that question because there is so much information missing. Is it a cash game? Is it a tournament? How much were the antes? How much has already been bet? In what sequence? How many players are still involved in the pot? Are the involved players 'loose'? tight? Those are just a few off of the top of my head.
I was just about to write this, but hey I’m just a fraud lmao. I have ledgers that prove my skill and I have countless people that will vouch for me. Yet your “skill” goes missing when someone challenges you. This guy is a joke!
Quote: SOOPOOYikes.... He can't answer that question because there is so much information missing. Is it a cash game? Is it a tournament? How much were the antes? How much has already been bet? In what sequence? How many players are still involved in the pot? Are the involved players 'loose'? tight? Those are just a few off of the top of my head.
THEN HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEN ON HIS OWN?
This is a simple question and if PokerGrinder had any kind of knowlegd he would be able to answer the question filling in the missing area's.
I'm sure if he is a grown man, he can do this without the help from other members. Don't hold his hand on this.
Quote: LaymedownTHEN HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEN ON HIS OWN?
Anger issues much? The jolly magic dice man isn’t so jolly anymore.
Go throw some 9’s, it will make you feel better.
GO AWAY TROLL.
I'm really liking the BLOCK USER feature.
I'm starting to discover that it doesn't matter how nice I can be to members with kudos and thank you's.. you just can't wash the "as ole" out of them.
Quote: LaymedownI think you're a fraud and a troll PokerGrinder. I asked you a simple question and you can not answer it. instead you just troll my theads and spam with useless garbage.
GO AWAY TROLL.
I'm really liking the BLOCK USER feature.
No one can answer that question there is insufficient information
to answer it, the answer is situation dependent. and you sir have exposed your lack of understanding
of poker by asking it.
Feel free to block me.
Grinder, you were such a cool guy in your past posts. Please dont lose your cool here.
LMDlLets know when you will be at Fallsview, someone will come from the Forum I assume.
Lets all go home and enjoy a beer afterwards.
Quote: rainmanNo one can answer that question there is insufficient information
to answer it, the answer is situation dependent. and you sir have exposed your lack of understanding
of poker by asking it.
Feel free to block me.
There is a reason why I've asked it that way, leaving out some variables. If he was that good at his skill he can easily answer the question, filling in the blanks, and putting me in my place with the extra's.
Obviously he can not do that, because he is just not good enough to stand behind his game.
If someone asked me that same question I can easily answer it along with every detail to go beyond the expected answer.
If he ever visits Brantford casino any time soon, I will gladly challenge him to a heads up match in poker. BRING CASH and challenge me.
He can answer the question unfortunately you haven't given enough information and there is no correct answer.Quote: LaymedownAT LEAST ANSWER THE F'N QUESTION?
If you are holding pocket AA's and the flop, turn and river shows 4-5-6-7-A
What do you do?
iF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THEN YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A FRAUD WHO JUST LIKES TO TROLL FORUMS.
Quote: speedycrapTo your question, i will fold.
Grinder, you were such a cool guy in your past posts. Please dont lose your cool here.
LMDlLets know when you will be at Fallsview, someone will come from the Forum I assume.
Lets all go home and enjoy a beer afterwards.
Correct. A simple answer to that question was to FOLD.
If there were other variables such as betting before the flop, after the turn, and river will clearly answer differently, and that's why I left them out.
Quote: MrVCoward.
Welsher.
You talk about "balls?"
As if.
Is that the best you can do MrV?
Bring CASH to the table and watch me take it from you as easy as 1-2-3.
depending on the wager, I may even pay for your flight and accommodations.
Hell, I'll even make sure you are fed while you enjoy your stay. You know lawyers and all, they don't have much money now-a-days. So feel free to take my hand outs.
MrV, I'm sure you are a very nice person and pretty smart minded when it comes to making a decision on many topics, but Sir, Please think before you respond to my offer.
On another note:
1) So far i've offered many times to buy lunch for those that want to meetup and play some craps.
2) I've offered CASH challenges
3) I've offered to pay for flight, accommodations, food to those that like to CASH wager (Minimum $5000.00)
4) I've provided times when I will be there at the tables.
5) I've offered to visit out of town casino's
I'm just not getting much in return other than those that like to TALK THE TALK.
I joined this forum simply to read some interesting articles, and have some discussions.
I also mentioned from the start that I do not like to take part in any challenges
so don't blame me if I step down from wizards challenges
but if you have CASH and want me to talk the talk and walk the walk, then bring it on in person.
I will be leaving shortly to meetup with some guests in Niagara Falls for a dinner engagement.
I'm gonna give the Fallsview casino another shot. leaving soon so I should be at the tables for 4:30pm (Tuesday, 04/10/2018)
If anyone wants to challenge me there, Simply bring CASH. Either way, I'll be there 4:30pm.
Quote: LaymedownCorrect. A simple answer to that question was to FOLD.
If there were other variables such as betting before the flop, after the turn, and river will clearly answer differently, and that's why I left them out.
A question that is ambiguous cannot be correctly answered.
A question that is intentionally ambiguous is meant to trick,
so you can play your games.
Sorry man I can't be your sheep, try Axel that dude will fall
for anything.
Quote: PokerGrinder🤦♂️ you are just a lost cause. You are arguing against mathematics and you tell me I have no clue what I’m doing. Have you not realized that not a single person here believes you? Well maybe WMW but he’s another story lol.
Not sure how I stumbled upon this , but do you really want to start with me PG?
Quote: rainmanA question that is ambiguous cannot be correctly answered.
A question that is intentionally ambiguous is meant to trick,
so you can play your games.
Sorry man I can't be your sheep, try Axel that dude will fall
for anything.
Again that question was straight forward with no tricks. You need to play the game in order to understand it. Again the question was directed at him and not others.
You probably put LMD up to all this. Now you actually look sane compared to him.Quote: WatchMeWinNot sure how I stumbled upon this , but do you really want to start with me PG?
And he made the smart decision not to answer such a silly question.Quote: LaymedownAgain that question was straight forward with no tricks. You need to play the game in order to understand it. Again the questijon was directed at him and not others.
Nah. If he had any brains for the game, he would have answered just for the sole purpose of shutting me up.
He lost the battle.
Move on.
I'm sure he is a good person in real life because these poker players are also mind trippers and use many different skills to throw off their opponent.
Cheers to you PokerGrinder even if you are an A hole in real life or not.
He knew you wouldn't shut up no matter what answer he gave.Quote: Laymedown"And he made the smart decision not to answer such a silly question"
Nah. If he had any brains for the game, he would have answered just for the sole purpose of shutting me up.
He lost the battle.
Move on.
Quote: AxelWolfYou probably put LMD up to all this. Now you actually look sane compared to him.
Ax, Are you wearing your favorite silky sheer pantyhose today as your troll along the site?
He's making a living playing his skilled game. I'm sure he can stand up and defend his ego.
I know I have a BIG EGO, because i've earned it and I like to be a show off.
Quote: LaymedownI know I have a BIG EGO, because i've earned it and I like to be a show off.
Your ego writes check you cannot cash in the real world.
You've "earned" only heeps of scorn.
Money talks, BS walks.
Have a nice stroll.
Ding ding doing....Quote: MidwestAPI predict a suspension in 3....2......1.......
Ok, be nice to each other. LMD, one day you are going to make us money or .....
Quote: LaymedownI think you're a fraud and a troll PokerGrinder. I asked you a simple question and you can not answer it. instead you just troll my theads and spam with useless garbage.
GO AWAY TROLL.
I'm really liking the BLOCK USER feature.
I'm starting to discover that it doesn't matter how nice I can be to members with kudos and thank you's.. you just can't wash the "as ole" out of them.
It does not appear to me that PG is trolling you. He is questioning your contentions. He is not alone.
You, otoh, have made a personal insult by calling him a troll. 3 days.
Quote: LaymedownThere is a reason why I've asked it that way, leaving out some variables. If he was that good at his skill he can easily answer the question, filling in the blanks, and putting me in my place with the extra's.
Obviously he can not do that, because he is just not good enough to stand behind his game.
If someone asked me that same question I can easily answer it along with every detail to go beyond the expected answer.
If he ever visits Brantford casino any time soon, I will gladly challenge him to a heads up match in poker. BRING CASH and challenge me.
You give me 4% of a poker hand and ask me what to do? You’re just laughable. You obviously have no idea how to play poker. 🤦♂️
Quote: LaymedownAxelWolf, Again why are you answering for him. He is a grown man, he can take the blows. Let him answer on his own with out the need to hold your hand.
He's making a living playing his skilled game. I'm sure he can stand up and defend his ego.
I know I have a BIG EGO, because i've earned it and I like to be a show off.
Yes I am a grown man. Thank you for noticing.
I don’t have an ego which is why I am able to do what I do so well. I never have pissing contests at the poker table, the same as I refuse to have one with you online.
You haven’t earned anything tbh. You are a delusional dice master or whatever you call it and you are comparing that to me beating a skill game. The difference is I’m telling the truth and you are telling fairy tales.
As far as your question, there is no good way to answer that question as you have given no information. If you had any idea how to play poker you would know that your question is as ridiculous as you beating the house edge in craps.
See you in three days sir!
Quote: PokerGrinderYes I am a grown man. Thank you for noticing.
See you in three days sir!
What I fail to understand is that if you truly believe that you can overcome a 4% HA why you wouldn't just mortgage the house and just do it full time? Casinos rarely give heat to setters so I don't see why he wouldn't take 150k to brantford or another one of Ontario's finest and go to town and start placing purple chips on the 9, work full time and turn that 15k into a million.
And why wouldn't you home your skill. It would be far more advantageous to be able to set for 6s and 8s and overcome 1.52% than it is 4%.
But like his posts devolved, most craps players (including myself) turn into degenerates where hitting the horn hi midnight for $57 and the hard 8 for $45 is like snorting crack. It's certainly a fun game for awhile.
Did comedy hour just begin?Quote: NokTangYou simply have to jump on the streaks whatever they may be. Don't be afraid to lay it out there and win baby win. Being cautious and a chicken will merely result in long term losses. Ride a streak and then settle down. . . but if you aren't afraid to lay it out there you can do it. Seeing eight blacks, eight passes/don'ts, eight players/bankers, you best best up there on number seven and eight..Go baby go.
Quote: OnceDearDid comedy hour just begin?
Was gonna say, the 3 biggest random games. Streaks lol
Quote: GlenGWas gonna say, the 3 biggest random games. Streaks lol
While we both must know each roll/spin/hand is independent of the one prior, be it a streak of one or six. I'm just saying that at least once during your visit/session you will find/be on a streak and if you have any courage you will jump on it and when it ends, go back to being a normal person. Perhaps even leave the game for a while or day or even week if you win enough. It's called "hit and run". I don't get what it's comedy or what the humor of it all is? Look to your left, my avatar. That's the result of one shooter having a "monster roll" at the City of Dreams in Manila. That entire stack from one shooter. Ka. Thanks.
Why? What difference does it make?Quote: NokTangYou simply have to jump on the streaks
Or lose, as luck would dictate.Quote: NokTangDon't be afraid to lay it out there and win baby win.
Playing a -ev game at any time will merely result in long term losses (probably)Quote: NokTangBeing cautious and a chicken will merely result in long term losses.
To start or finish? You don't recognise a streak until it has happened.Quote: NokTangwait for the next one.
Luck is all of it. Play for fun: That's fine, but jumping in when you see a streak is the same as jumping in... any time.Quote: NokTangLuck is part of it of course
Quote: NokTang... lay it out there you can do it. Seeing eight blacks, eight passes/don'ts, eight players/bankers, you best best up there on number seven and eight.
And there's the comedy: You assert that betting the streak is going to make the player a profit or give him an edge. To that I say
"You have got to be joking. Right!"
The size of your stack of chips at some arbitrary moment in time means nothing.
Quote: OnceDear
And there's the comedy: You assert that betting the streak is going to make the player a profit or give him an edge. To that I say
"You have got to be joking. Right!"
The size of your stack of chips at some arbitrary moment in time means nothing.
I'm not joking. Controlling the dice would be considered a joke. Betting a streak during same is always easier to say after said streak occurs. Not being afraid to get on the ride during it is not so easy and requires nerve and girth. Quitting after it occurs is of course, easy if you have half a brain. Cashing a large color up does in fact mean something. I never said gives him/here an edge. I said don't be afraid to lay it on the line when it's happening. You know what I mean I think? Go for it. Cheers.
Quote: NokTangYou know what I mean I think? Go for it. Cheers.
If you mean, 'join in the fun and wager when it's at it's most amusing, when the table is buzzing, with adrenalin flowing', or maybe 'Make the occasional big bet, after all you are there to gamble' Then I can go with that. Heck, I even do that myself.
But that's all it is: Fun. I would never suggest that anyone that there is any financial reason to take any notice of streaks. I'd hope you wouldn't either.
Quote: NokTangQuitting after it occurs is of course, easy if you have half a brain.
Now that just means nothing at all. It's like saying after you've seen 17 yos in a row that you should quit because 18 is sure to be the last.
YOU CAN ONLY IDENTIFY A STREAK AND STATE ITS APPROPRIATE QUITTING TIME AFTER IT HAS ENDED And that's neither use nor ornament.
You can have half a brain or an extra brain in a jar and there's nothing your cognitive powers can do with it.
Craps isn't like bj where a favorable count mathematically cues the counter to increase his bet.
So when does a streak begin: after twenty rolls without a seven out, or after two or three points in a row are made?
When?
Please describe, specifically, the relevant criteria for this determination.
Quote: MrVSo when does a streak begin: after twenty rolls without a seven out, or after two or three points in a row are made?
After the 19th yo in a row. You should know this by now.
Watchmewin: Do you live near PA? It's a much closer drive for me and I want to see if there is any truth to what you are saying about winning at craps.
