Dice setter meetup at ELEMENTS casino, Brantford
Quote: GlenGBoth dice have to hit the back wall every time, otherwise its a re-roll, correct?
Yes, as evidenced by the dealers accepting the roll.
Soopoo, Ontario dealer and coilman, helpmespock too?Quote: WizardLet me know how it goes.
At this point, can I get a show of hands of members in the Niagara Falls area who may be interested in serving as monitors for a more serious challenge?
Have a great evening as well.
Quote: WizardLet me know how it goes.
At this point, can I get a show of hands of members in the Niagara Falls area who may be interested in serving as monitors for a more serious challenge?
Have a great evening as well.
I'm in.....ill drive to Brantford if i have to......i know most of the guys there and trust me, they don't make money.
Quote: WizardI know of a long-time member, who I consider a friend, who lives in the area. Perhaps we could do a mini-challenge there, just to get the ball rolling and establish some trust. I'd suggest the bet being that you can or can't achieve 20 or more nines in 140 rolls. The probability of a random shooter achieving this is 14.5%.
This is me. I am off work next week and can meet any day except Thursday at any of the 3 casinos, Seneca Niagara (I buy you lunch), Casino Niagara, or Fallsview.
Quote: WizardYes, as evidenced by the dealers accepting the roll.
I have a strong feeling there will be a lot of re-rolls and arguments
Quote: GlenGI have a strong feeling there will be a lot of re-rolls and arguments
I get the feeling this will never happen.
I will come on Tuesday as an observer if Soopoo buys me lunch.Quote: SOOPOOThis is me. I am off work next week and can meet any day except Thursday at any of the 3 casinos, Seneca Niagara (I buy you lunch), Casino Niagara, or Fallsview.
As to what counts as a roll, in another thread I said that any roll the dealer's accept counts, and if they say "no roll" it doesn't. This way we have an unbiased judge. Any error in their calls can cut equally both ways.
Quote: WizardLet me know how it goes.
At this point, can I get a show of hands of members in the Niagara Falls area who may be interested in serving as monitors for a more serious challenge?
Have a great evening as well.
In all honesty here, I just got back from the casino. I FAILED the practice mini challenge, However I did make money tonight.
I did roll nines but they were scattered but not enough rolled within the 140 rolls total.
I'm just being honest, but I would still be up for that challenge.
Quote: WizardThanks to everyone who has volunteered to be witnesses.
As to what counts as a roll, in another thread I said that any roll the dealer's accept counts, and if they say "no roll" it doesn't. This way we have an unbiased judge. Any error in their calls can cut equally both ways.
When you say no roll that refers to BOTH DICE HITTING BACK WALL for it to count or at least ONE DICE.
Quote: ontariodealerI'm in.....ill drive to Brantford if i have to......i know most of the guys there and trust me, they don't make money.
At least 3 of us will prove you wrong ontariodealer.
Who would you say are best Dice setter / craps shooters in Niagara?
And let's's not make the odds better for such a skilled shooter and keep using senseless math to discuss the actual odds until we get some action down.
Remember, he is allready independently wealthy, has a good job and he can make $500+ a day playing craps.
Quote: LaymedownWhen you say no roll that refers to BOTH DICE HITTING BACK WALL for it to count or at least ONE DICE.
both dice back wall
Quote: OnceDearLMD,
Just for your benefit, if you say that you can roll one 9 in 7 rolls, that is an entirely different and easier proposition.
ANYONE can expect to do that with 56% probability of success. It means nothing of any significance. I'll wager you can do one 9 in 7 rolls with ease.
It's just maths matey. Not gut or instinct: Maths!
Even when Wizard and I squabble over 600,000 or so we are both still closer than your estimate by 10 million or so.
I only got the dice for 3 rounds, and in the three rounds I think I only rolled the 9 maybe 7 times in under 50 rolls. I did not roll many nines today and my highest roll tonight was just under 25 numbers including the 4 number fire bet I rolled.
I'm sure when the time comes for a challenge I will blow your mind with my shooting style.
Quote: AxelWolfLet me know when the bets are on and when money can be escrowed.
Remember, he is allready independently wealthy, has a good job and he can make $500+ a day playing craps.
Why would you say something like this?
This remark clearly defines how many members actually read all of my posts vs. those that like to fast read them and assume I make 500.00/day playing craps.
I CLEARLY STATED IN MY POSTS THAT I AVERAGE MAYBE 15K PER YEAR PLAYING 3 TIMES /WEEK
Please don't blow me up to sound like a Craps GURU.
And for the record. I DON'T DO ESCROW!!!
CASH ONLY if true wagers start to happen.
of course you don't(they never do). I think we have someone that can accommodate presenting the cash for a cash wager. However, who's going to hold the money during the rolling of the dice?Quote: LaymedownWhy would you say something like this?
This remark clearly defines how many members actually read all of my posts vs. those that like to fast read them and assume I make 500.00/day playing craps.
I CLEARLY STATED IN MY POSTS THAT I AVERAGE MAYBE 15K PER YEAR PLAYING 3 TIMES /WEEK
Please don't blow me up to sound like a Craps GURU.
And for the record. I DON'T DO ESCROW!!!
CASH ONLY if true wagers start to happen.
It seems that you claim to have the ability to make at least $500 a day, so any bet won or lost would be peanuts.
I may not have all the exact facts correct about what you have and haven't said. but the gist seems to be that money isn't an issues for you in terms of a nice wager, and you can roll a significanc amount of nines over the what the true odds would dictate.
Quote: LaymedownWhy would you say something like this?
This remark clearly defines how many members actually read all of my posts vs. those that like to fast read them and assume I make 500.00/day playing craps.
I CLEARLY STATED IN MY POSTS THAT I AVERAGE MAYBE 15K PER YEAR PLAYING 3 TIMES /WEEK
Please don't blow me up to sound like a Craps GURU.
And for the record. I DON'T DO ESCROW!!!
CASH ONLY if true wagers start to happen.
Why arn't you winning 500 a day? I would assume you should be putting max bet on the 9 and cashing in
Quote: LaymedownWhen you say no roll that refers to BOTH DICE HITTING BACK WALL for it to count or at least ONE DICE.
It doesn't matter the reason. A "no roll" means it doesn't count for the challenge.
Quote: LaymedownIn all honesty here, I just got back from the casino. I FAILED the practice mini challenge, However I did make money tonight.
I did roll nines but they were scattered but not enough rolled within the 140 rolls total.
I'm just being honest, but I would still be up for that challenge.
Thanks for the update and I appreciate your honesty.
I'd still prefer to do a 500 roll challenge but am negotiable at this early stage. I am happy to do an official 140 challenge as a warm up, but am flexible.
Quote: WizardThanks for the update and I appreciate your honesty.
I'd still prefer to do a 500 roll challenge but am negotiable at this early stage. I am happy to do an official 140 challenge as a warm up, but am flexible.
Curious...since he stated in another thread about how he tries to make sure the dice land 1-3 inches from the wall, what if the crew backs him off/passes the dice in the middle of his roll? Does that mean the challenge is a fail?
There should prob be an official thread for this as well, to make sure all the parameters are clear as day
I would love to be an extra witness but need a time locked down for me to commit. Still working and family stuff you know.
Just in case, I'm making a Sat nite visit to Fallsview, probably from 7-midnight. Not all craps. I do notice minimums will bump up as the night goes on, which can keep me off the felt.
BTW. I think the WIZ is quite clear when proposing that the dealer is the one who determines the validity of a roll. If one die is short of the wall and dealer doesn't call it "no roll" you get to count it. Simple. Technically unbiased. The whole event wouldn't make any sense if me or other witnesses officiated the actual gameplay.
Quote: GlenGboth dice back wall
This has always been table dependent and player dependent.The Wizard has already spoken and spoken well. You aren’t getting nervous already are you?
Quote: HornHighYo11
BTW. I think the WIZ is quite clear when proposing that the dealer is the one who determines the validity of a roll. If one die is short of the wall and dealer doesn't call it "no roll" you get to count it. Simple. Technically unbiased. The whole event wouldn't make any sense if me or other BIASED witnesses officiated the actual gameplay. [/q
Fixed it for ya!When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
Quote: HornHighYo11Geez. I guess i have a lot of reading to do now. Somehow this thread exploded and I'm way behind.
I would love to be an extra witness but need a time locked down for me to commit. Still working and family stuff you know.
Just in case, I'm making a Sat nite visit to Fallsview, probably from 7-midnight. Not all craps. I do notice minimums will bump up as the night goes on, which can keep me off the felt.
BTW. I think the WIZ is quite clear when proposing that the dealer is the one who determines the validity of a roll. If one die is short of the wall and dealer doesn't call it "no roll" you get to count it. Simple. Technically unbiased. The whole event wouldn't make any sense if me or other witnesses officiated the actual gameplay.
HornHighYo11, Just to be sure I'd like to give another trial run at the casino Saturday morning in another city.
I will be there at Fallsview from 10am till probably midnight,
You can remain anonymous, You will know who I am, I will be the guy who likes the Broadway action and spotlight.
You will see a guy rolling many numbers using the 6/2, 6/2 hardway dice set.
If there is a firebet made it most likely will be me.
My rolls will most likely snap from the back wall and in most cases 80% of the time will hit or reach the back wall.
I never get a "NO ROLL" so no worries there.
I will most likely be shooting the dice from the hook SPOT 4.
My starting chip stack is always $500. any winnings I put in my pocket so you won't see any showboating of chips.
Quote: DeMangoThis has always been table dependent and player dependent.The Wizard has already spoken and spoken well. You aren’t getting nervous already are you?
My local casino only one dice has to hit the back wall.
Quote: LaymedownAt least 3 of us will prove you wrong ontariodealer.
Who would you say are best Dice setter / craps shooters in Niagara?
no one in my 43 years dealing has shown a long term profit.....so i'd say nobody.
Quote: ontariodealerno one in my 43 years dealing has shown a long term profit.....so i'd say nobody.
Come on there has to be someone who stands out that must roll pretty good at your casino?
Quote: ontariodealernope and i probably know the guys you are playing with at Brantford.
What about that guy that made close to 500.00 started with 1.00 chip
Romeo was working the table.
He is a good friend of mine.
He tells me good shooters are at Fallsview
I believe since the skill is said to be used in "the game of craps" people watching, like me, can only be witnesses; attest to the fact that the event actually happened as the shooter claims it did. Beliefs don't matter since only the dealer/crew decides on the validity of a roll. I haven't played the game for hundreds of hours to actually see a game called by consensus of the people standing at the rail. I highly doubt it works that way. If people think the crew is purposefully denying numbers to rig the game, that's a whole other issue. I've personally won and lost bets on "called" outcomes, but that's the way it goes. Like a short roll but it hits the point; seems to be a dealer's choice at times. Or are we talking about the idea a DI has to land the shot short of the wall because the skill won't work if it bounces off the back wall? Wasn't AHigh trying to collect some kind of verifiable data to prove some point or another? To me it's a game that I wish I had the time and disposable income to play frequently yet keep it in balance with the rest of my life. I'm still working and not so rich, plus I have family and dependents.
Sorry I'm over tired and need the next 4 hours to sleep.
Yes I've sat through the whole video and more than one to boot. Part of his theories was to see how many numbers "ON AXIS" would show for each roll and also recorded how the dice landed and got to be that way. He is very remarkable and I owe him my gratitude for his accomplishments.
I've learned that it's highly possible to form many repeated numbers and also increase my probabilities in knowing that rolling dice a certain way can in fact take out one or two combinations of forming a seven even when the dice go "OFF AXIS"
I don't understand why members are against believing this to be so. BELIEVE ME, IT IS SO.
I'm not gonna mention any names of dealers, but last night I called out 5 numbers before I rolled them. Yes one of them was a nine and it was an easy point, because I rolled them quick.
Anyway, I do not want to bore you with long posts. But do remember that anything can happen at a craps table regardless of the Math involved.
I found this on the internet
Winning Touch
Casino Gaming School
What more of a better place to try out CHALLENGES. The dealers are students, so they have to be on the ball with rules correct?
"Join Robby Robertson for the most professional training program available. A certified dealer and manager in Nevada now delivering the goods to aspiring dealers of all ages. Based close to Casino Niagara in Niagara Falls. "
Website has contact info.
"Drop by and talk to Robby today!
4685 Queen Street
Niagara Falls, Ontario
L2E 2L9
(905) 357-7333"
I'd like to see if he will let me record the challenge and a good benefit to the students is they get to practice their profession with none other than ME (A Professional level DICE SETTER)
There is some arguments on certain things like hitting the back wall, or cheating that I'm reading about on here, so I believe this school will be a perfect place to do that challenge.
Please reply?
Quote: ontariodealerare you Filipino???
Haha, No but I think if I was i'd get all the girls because I've got the swagga'
When I play craps, I'm most likely shooting from Spot 4 (Four spots to the right of the stick on the hook) and my dice set never changes, 6,2/6,2 with the three's facing me, fours facing the stick man. My roll is a snap off fingers, with slight back spin giving off a clickity-clack-clack sound as both dice hit the back wall and form repeating numbers yet avoiding two of the sevens in most cases when I seven out it is in most cases 6-1 or 5-2 (rarely do I see 4-3 or 3-4)
Quote: MidwestAPI get the feeling this will never happen.
Yes, I think bets on if a challenge actually happens are now in order. I'm considering what my line would be, though.
Wasn't there a legitimate dice challenge at Ahigh's house? He wasn't the roller though, it was another forum member. I'm drawing a blank on which member it was. This is the only one I recall in recent memory, other than the 500 roll challenge that happened over at bj21.com over 10 years ago which the Wiz mentioned.
First off, Think about it, There are gambling schools in almost every town, any members can setup a challenge at these schools without worry of cheating dealers, or customized rules.
Second, The students are trained to follow all the guidelines including judging proper "Legal" rolls.
Third, The school is under guidance in most cases by a professional.
Forth, I'm sure they will allow for LIVE STREAMING
Fifth, can speed things up by using multiple dice pairs (Different Colored) pre arrange before hand to my favorite (Or Yours) dice set.
Sixth, Can also arrange multiple challenges like head to head dice setter vs. random roller by simply establish a point and then rolling it. First one to do it gets a point. go to 20 points to make it fair.
Possibilities are endless.
Quote: LaymedownATTENTION TO WIZARD:
I found this on the internet
Winning Touch
Casino Gaming School
What more of a better place to try out CHALLENGES. The dealers are students, so they have to be on the ball with rules correct?
"Join Robby Robertson for the most professional training program available. A certified dealer and manager in Nevada now delivering the goods to aspiring dealers of all ages. Based close to Casino Niagara in Niagara Falls. "
I doubt they will allow it. They are out to scam people's money. Why would they want to risk losing customers if you or they fail the challenge? Just think about why the "golden touch' run by scobelete never does challenges in all these years. They know they will lose so they refuse all challenges. Talk is cheap and they will never back up their claim with real proof.
Quote: alphastormI doubt they will allow it. They are out to scam people's money. Why would they want to risk losing customers if you or they fail the challenge? Just think about why the "golden touch' run by scobelete never does challenges in all these years. They know they will lose so they refuse all challenges. Talk is cheap and they will never back up their claim with real proof.
No, you clearly misunderstand: it is a school to train people to work in casinos as table games dealers.
It is NOT a school for bone arrangers.
I see no reason why they'd object, other than it will take time and time is money.
Maybe the publicity would be of benefit to them?
Quote: AcesAndEightsYes, I think bets on if a challenge actually happens are now in order. I'm considering what my line would be, though.
No the Challenge never happens -600
Yes it does +375
What will happen is there will be one or two more of his “mini sessions” where he sees he gets nowhere near the number of 9s he’s claiming. But he will of course let us know he made a profit regardless
Quote: MrVNo, you clearly misunderstand: it is a school to train people to work in casinos as table games dealers.
It is NOT a school for bone arrangers.
I see no reason why they'd object, other than it will take time and time is money.
Maybe the publicity would be of benefit to them?
Ok thanks for clarifying. I thought it was another dice control scam.
Quote: LaymedownATTENTION TO WIZARD:
I found this on the internet
Winning Touch
Casino Gaming School
What more of a better place to try out CHALLENGES. The dealers are students, so they have to be on the ball with rules correct?
First, I'm fine with this link, since it is pertinent to the topic.
Second, I think this is a good idea. It could take ages to get in enough throws at a casino because of other players shooting. It is important to me that this be a casino-quality table, and I'll ask my monitors to comment on that. I would prefer the owner of the business make the calls on the throws, but if he isn't available, then at least a teacher. I would prefer to avoid students doing it. However, if it must be students, then I think both sides should have the right to record every throw and if there is one in dispute, then we'll have to agree on a neutral party to evaluate the footage for the final say. The standard should be both dice have to touch the back wall, even if just kissing it.
So, I think we can work on the fine points, but in general this location is good with me. I think we should focus on the terms of the throws themselves. I have already made a couple suggestions and awaiting you to hit that ball back to my court.
I will find another. I'm sure there are a few. any recommendations greatly appreciated.
Sorry to everyone for this inconvenience.
I have to agree, you did say "I found this on the internet"Quote: LaymedownDamn it, I googled that Craps training school and that was the first one to pop up, I thought they were still in business. It was early in the morning when i found this,
I will find another. I'm sure there are a few. any recommendations greatly appreciated.
Sorry to everyone for this inconvenience.
Don't give up that easy. I will find one somewhere between Brantford and Niagara somewhere they have to have craps in their school.
Quote: WizardThanks for the update and I appreciate your honesty.
I'd still prefer to do a 500 roll challenge but am negotiable at this early stage. I am happy to do an official 140 challenge as a warm up, but am flexible.
A few members think it's easier to roll 9's within a smaller amount.
500 rolls may be a better plan.
That would equal 75 nines made in 500 rolls or less.
Please allow me or other local members to find a training school for craps (That is still in business) the other mentioned is out of business at the moment)
