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superrick
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July 3rd, 2015 at 8:51:27 AM permalink
Can Any One Really Control The Dice?

Think about what I just wrote before you respond. When we look at what everybody calls Dice Control, is it possible, or is it something that just happens when the shooter is just getting lucky?
Is there any reason for the casinos to worry about Dice Control?

So for all you math guys out there how about what you think happens when one of these so-called DI's get on a good roll, Just how far are they off the math of the game for any giving roll they have. Lets start at 10 rolls of the dice, then bump it up ever ten rolls of the dice.

By now most of you have seen all of the slow-motion videos that I have posted, if not here they are once again. The slow-motion videos are the most damning evidence we have against dice control.
Now I always have to ask this question and it's directed at the so-called DI's out there. Is there anybody you know in these videos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FYrndlrpc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o...amp;list=UUUJo96xngJwaqh8rIk2whng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...p;index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1FO4YsUA30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqiptZZotMc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...p;index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k467uPlLn3A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...p;index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E...amp;list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H...amp;list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOOULZHKNo0&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R...amp;list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di...amp;list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G...YUjhs&list=PL29EB7437F6533C12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68pu1F0D_9g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_wQN7MELc

This guy found 172 videos on throwing the dice or dice control and put them all in one spot for your viewing pleasure and he surely saved me a lot of work! Just page down on the right side to see all of the videos he found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...L57YTXgE9UrKJJZsOGpdaFhWAEETRt-rU

Lets not forget the one guy that had the best set-up for dice control, Aaron Hightower who went the extra mile to try to prove that dice control either work or it didn't. I have to give him a high-five for all of the work he put into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2QS26ppbc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJwLtAORa0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXSfu5QDDVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM3qDV9Lz3Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTzwChYv0U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-uMB17x4I
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...! You do good brada ..! superrick Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php ...
surrender88s
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July 3rd, 2015 at 9:55:30 AM permalink
I believe it is possible.

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/dice-setting/21522-surrenders-futile-experiments-in-dice-influence/

A while back i was playing around with dice. Then I had a second kid and haven't had time and lost interest. Here's my top secret tip to winning at craps, FREE of charge!

Instead of setting the dice and getting them to move as little as possible, (an object at rest stays at rest until acted upon), I was setting the dice and putting as much spin as possible using a flick of my wrist(an object in motion stays in motion...). The concept is that the alligator wall effectively can randomize non spinning dice, however if two dice are both spinning on the same axis, it would be less likely to hit either of those two numbers.

So if I set the dice with the 3's and 4's touching, and threw them with backspin, the hope is that i would get significantly less 3's and 4's, which would make the field bet profitable, among other things. Someone else can try it, and perhaps consider buying me dinner if you make millions.
"Rule No.1: Never lose money. Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1." -Warren Buffett on risk/return
champ724
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July 3rd, 2015 at 11:04:18 AM permalink
its not possible to control dice if you have to hit the back wall. once the dice hit the diamond nubs its all random and luck from there. anyone who says they can control the dice is just crying wolf.
champ724
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July 3rd, 2015 at 11:04:23 AM permalink
double post
NYSith
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July 3rd, 2015 at 11:11:45 AM permalink
Everyone that throws the dice has "influence" on them. I just believe that the "influence" that they have is randomized by the back wall. In theory, if you didn't have to hit the back wall, I'm pretty sure that it would be possible to show some sort of influence based on the starting dice set. This really runs into a large set of "ifs" when it comes to influencing the dice throws into producing desired outcomes. If I throw at exactly the correct angle, if the dice hit the correct spot, if the dice have the right amount of momentum, if they hit the back wall at exactly the right way, if it can be measured, etc; then there might be something to it. I'll use a military standard for determining whether munitions meet a cut off for accuracy: 70% For instance, if I use a particular set on a throw and it results in a 5, and this can be repeated say,... 7 out of 10 times. I would believe wholeheartedly in it. Especially if I could take other dice sets and get a 70% solution on the outcomes by the exact same throw. The problem comes down to being able to get everything exactly the same every time. A pitcher in baseball has a much easier time throwing a strike because the "strike zone" allows for variance in the delivery of the pitch. The same goes for an archer who has a much narrower target, but still can repeat a bulls eye because the zone allows for it. The skill that would be required for someone throwing the dice would have to be much more accurate. I'm not a believer in "dice influence" as far as AP, but I watch the tables just in case someone starts yelling out numbers and actually hitting them.
AxelWolf
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July 3rd, 2015 at 11:12:09 AM permalink
Quote: champ724

its not possible to control dice if you have to hit the back wall. once the dice hit the diamond nubs its all random and luck from there. anyone who says they can control the dice is just crying wolf.

I'm skeptical even if you don't have to hit the back wall.
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July 3rd, 2015 at 11:18:59 AM permalink
Quote: superrick

By now most of you have seen all of the slow-motion videos that I have posted, if not here they are once again.


Thanks.
MathExtremist
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July 3rd, 2015 at 11:57:36 AM permalink
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The truly ironic thing about this is that I happen to know a PhD physicist who is also a former craps dealer. He hasn’t read this, but I’ve spoken about it with him, and he assured me that the pip densities are sufficiently carefully controlled to defeat any sort of stability-oriented “attack” such as this. Not that I was actually going to try the experiment…


From http://blog.eqnets.com/2009/08/24/dynamical-bias-in-the-dice-roll/
Also
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/21764-craps-dice-unbalance-mystery-dice-physical-data/35/#post462016:
Quote: Kapitaniak paper

The structure of the boundaries between the basins of different faces is worth investigating. If in any neighborhood of the initial condition leading to one of Fi, there are initial conditions which are mapped to other faces (in the case of the coin in the neighborhood of any point leading to the heads there are points leading to the tail result), i.e., infinitely small inaccuracy in the initial conditions makes the result of the die throw unpredictable.

"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
Wizard
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July 3rd, 2015 at 12:28:07 PM permalink
Put me firmly in the skeptics column. I've been asking for 11 years to see legitimate evidence that anybody can influence the dice enough to overcome the house edge. I'm still waiting.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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July 3rd, 2015 at 2:07:07 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Put me firmly in the skeptics column. I've been asking for 11 years to see legitimate evidence that anybody can influence the dice enough to overcome the house edge. I'm still waiting.




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