What is the best dice set for ....
January 3rd, 2015 at 10:32:59 AM
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Field bets
Avoiding the seven
Come out roll, for don't pass
Sevening out or all 7's something besides 4/3 on top?
rolling a 5 or 9
rolling a 4 or 10
rolling a craps number 2,3, or 12....
rolling a 6 or 8
I know this seems like a lot of questions but just wondering what sets people use?
Avoiding the seven
Come out roll, for don't pass
Sevening out or all 7's something besides 4/3 on top?
rolling a 5 or 9
rolling a 4 or 10
rolling a craps number 2,3, or 12....
rolling a 6 or 8
I know this seems like a lot of questions but just wondering what sets people use?
January 3rd, 2015 at 10:54:21 AM
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Jeff, you really need to spend more time in school. This is not a real question for these yahoos, since from their perspective, craps is a random game based on rules to give the house an advantage; consequently, all dice sets results in random outcomes based on the probability characteristics of random tossing of two die. In other words, you might get your spicolli eaten with such a question.
January 3rd, 2015 at 10:56:07 AM
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Well this is a dice setting question board, or isn't it?
January 3rd, 2015 at 11:04:54 AM
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That's what the topic title says but if you read the posts within this and other topics you'll see what I mean. Maybe somebody might respond from a DI perspective but according to superrick there are no DI's. So setting your dice is just a superstitious behavior.
January 3rd, 2015 at 11:37:15 AM
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Quote: jeffspicoli6969Well this is a dice setting question board, or isn't it?
You are more than willing to ask the question here. But most of the regular members on this forum are 'math/science' type people. Since there is no evidence that dice 'influencing' has ever occurred, barring you presenting any, most of us believe that it does not occur using real life conditions in a real casino using generally accepted craps rules.
If you think that you can reliably alter the expected probabilities by 'setting the dice', i am willing to bet you cannot. You tell me what you think you can do and I will offer you a bet that you cannot.
You game?
January 3rd, 2015 at 12:17:10 PM
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Mr. Hand is going to make Jeff stay after school.
I don't want to ruin it. Google Jeff Spicoli to see one of my all time favorite characters.
I don't want to ruin it. Google Jeff Spicoli to see one of my all time favorite characters.
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January 3rd, 2015 at 12:27:40 PM
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Sean Penn never played as great a character again. His career went downhill after Fast Times. Kind of like Tom Hanks after Bachelor Party. Personally I always though Adrian Zmed was the real talent in that movie. You would have never seen him take the roles Hanks does for a dollar. No he was a real actor, who was above taking roles like "Ladykillers".
The great Jeff Spicoli " Is your brother gonna sh*t or is he gonna kill us"
As for the Dice, why not try them all and see what works for you? As long as you use a set, the odds are in your favor and it will be up to you to decide how much you want to win.
The great Jeff Spicoli " Is your brother gonna sh*t or is he gonna kill us"
As for the Dice, why not try them all and see what works for you? As long as you use a set, the odds are in your favor and it will be up to you to decide how much you want to win.
January 3rd, 2015 at 12:30:36 PM
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"Tasty waves and a cool buzz".
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
January 3rd, 2015 at 12:41:23 PM
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Ya know, when the stickchick dumps the bowl in front of me and five dice tumble out it and towards me, I just take 2 dies from the set of 5 dice and I usually take the two closest to me and just pick them up really fast. And after making my choice we then continue to use those two dice for my entire roll unless one goes wild somewhere and then its a "your game, your dice" situation.Quote: jeffspicoli6969but just wondering what sets people use?
So generally it goes from a set of five dice down to a set of two dice and then I just roll dem bones and Lady Luck does her magic.
January 3rd, 2015 at 12:42:51 PM
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ok, if I were to compare dice control or dice influence to something I would compare it to throwing a pitch in baseball or shooting a free throw in basketball. I did some research lets take Nolan Ryan for example because he is one of the all time great pitchers. Lets say he throws 100 pitches in a game and lets say 63 end up becoming strikes, and the rest are balls or hits. That means 63% of his throws are going over the plate. Same with basketball, lets say Michael Jordan his free throw % is 80% that means that 80% of the time when MJ throws the ball it winds up going in. Same with Dice control/ Dice influence lets say it works 60% of the time, which gives you an edge. That's 60% of the time, not 100% of the time. Unless your God no one is going to be 100% right 100% of the time, not even Michael Jordan who many regard as the greatest basketball player of all time he is not going to make a basket 100% of the time, maybe 80%. Even Wayne Gretzky every time he shot the puck towards the net what % of those shots ended up goals? I think the reason many people argue against dice control is that many think that its going to work 100% of the time and when they seven out of miss a point once in a while they argue against it. Lets say that a good shooter makes the number 60% of the time?
January 3rd, 2015 at 12:47:12 PM
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I have no evidence that I am able to influence the dice, but I see no harm in doing it and most of the time I enjoy trying. Sort of a version of Pascal's Wager.
Oh wait, I can prove that it is beneficial in one way though, with only one assumption, and that assumption is not that I or anyone can roll any number more often or less often than random. And even Soopoo will not bet that I am wrong about my assertion.
So here is my M.O. and the sets I use
*anymore, if it is a long table and I am at the end, I do the opposite, randomizing the dice under my palm, then picking them up and throwing. It is preposterous to me to think that under such circumstances [end of long table] the dice can be influenced.
*if I can get next to stick, I lean as far as reasonable towards the end of the table and toss the dice as gently as possible with the intention also to hit only the area of the back wall under the diamonds.
*my new grip is such that the dice should gently part when I release. Previously, they tended to land together and "explode", and again it seems to be preposterous to think that those dice could have been influenced.
*I set the dice with the hope they stay on axis
*for the come-out [as a rightside player] I put the 1/6 as the axis and look for hard ways up top, then toss
*for making my point, I just use the flying V, which [per OPs question] is a quick set which will mean less 7s if they just stay on axis only, with all other mathematical possibilities even.
Oh wait, I can prove that it is beneficial in one way though, with only one assumption, and that assumption is not that I or anyone can roll any number more often or less often than random. And even Soopoo will not bet that I am wrong about my assertion.
So here is my M.O. and the sets I use
*anymore, if it is a long table and I am at the end, I do the opposite, randomizing the dice under my palm, then picking them up and throwing. It is preposterous to me to think that under such circumstances [end of long table] the dice can be influenced.
*if I can get next to stick, I lean as far as reasonable towards the end of the table and toss the dice as gently as possible with the intention also to hit only the area of the back wall under the diamonds.
*my new grip is such that the dice should gently part when I release. Previously, they tended to land together and "explode", and again it seems to be preposterous to think that those dice could have been influenced.
*I set the dice with the hope they stay on axis
*for the come-out [as a rightside player] I put the 1/6 as the axis and look for hard ways up top, then toss
*for making my point, I just use the flying V, which [per OPs question] is a quick set which will mean less 7s if they just stay on axis only, with all other mathematical possibilities even.
I assume that if I and others set the dice, it slows the game, and there are less rolls per hour. This benefits the players as each should then be giving less action to the house
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 3rd, 2015 at 12:55:03 PM
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Quote: jeffspicoli6969Lets say that a good shooter makes the number 60% of the time?
if you can prove to me you can do that, I'll be your manager. Just name the size of the bankroll you want to work with and you've got it.
taking on Soopoo's bet would be a nice first step in proving it!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 3rd, 2015 at 12:56:41 PM
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Quote: jeffspicoli6969I think the reason many people argue against dice control is that many think that its going to work 100% of the time and when they seven out of miss a point once in a while they argue against it. Lets say that a good shooter makes the number 60% of the time?
People argue against dice control because they are convinced that how the dice are set before they are thrown has no effect on what the result will be once it hits a wall of the table.
We know what percentage of pitches Nolan Ryan threw were strikes because there were people counting the pitches and strikes at every one of his games, and the information was public. With dice setters, the only "evidence" seems to be their claims.
As for 60%, it seems to me that if that was even remotely close to being correct, then they would be betting on 12 or 2 whenever they had the dice; it would have an expected return of 18 (60% of 30, 40% of 0) for every 1 bet. It seems to me that a more reasonable claim might be that they could throw a 7 20% (instead of 16 2/3%) of the time.
January 3rd, 2015 at 1:09:28 PM
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about the % of throws I meant pass line bets. Lets say you make a bet on the pass line, the % chance of winning the pass line bet, I wasn't talking about hitting 6's or 8's. Also I'm a dark side shooter, I will make a don't pass bet, use the 2V make a point then use the all 7's set and seven out. So far I do very good on the short tables, winning 80% of the time standing stick left. I was just wondering what sets people use.
January 3rd, 2015 at 1:17:12 PM
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Quote: 1BBMr. Hand is going to make Jeff stay after school.
I don't want to ruin it. Google Jeff Spicoli to see one of my all time favorite characters.
The smartest person involved in that movie was Kevin Kline. He married Phoebe Cates right after she did the movie and took her off the market and out of movies altogether.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
January 3rd, 2015 at 2:03:53 PM
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Quote: jeffspicoli6969So far I do very good on the short tables, winning 80% of the time standing stick left. I was just wondering what sets people use.
You won't need anybody backing your bankroll up.
PS: with this percentage you can take SOOPOO to the cleaners too
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 3rd, 2015 at 3:57:06 PM
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Quote: jeffspicoli6969ok ... Lets say that a good shooter makes the number 60% of the time?
No. Let's not. Let's say a good shooter makes the numbers as often as a totally random shooter. I and many others will happily wager cold hard cash that you won't do significantly better.
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January 3rd, 2015 at 4:14:32 PM
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Quote: OnceDearNo. Let's not. Let's say a good shooter makes the numbers as often as a totally random shooter. I and many others will happily wager cold hard cash that you won't do significantly better.
Hey... I want to bet first..... but I'll share any action with you....
OK, JS69..... make a firm claim..... like..... "I can roll a "7" one in 4 times to win my dont pass bets"....
Or.... " I can hit a hard eight one in twenty tries" Or whatever you think you can do. BE SPECIFIC.
January 3rd, 2015 at 4:37:17 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOHey... I want to bet first..... but I'll share any action with you....
OK, JS69..... make a firm claim..... like..... "I can roll a "7" one in 4 times to win my dont pass bets"....
Or.... " I can hit a hard eight one in twenty tries" Or whatever you think you can do. BE SPECIFIC.
His claim appears to be, "I do very good on the short tables, winning 80% of the time standing stick left" betting DP with a 2V set on the come-out followed by an all-7s set.
January 3rd, 2015 at 4:56:47 PM
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JS69, in case you don't know, Soopoo will follow through. He is no BS guy about these things. The bet can be on.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 3rd, 2015 at 5:04:02 PM
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QED. Say hello to Maddona for me.
March 26th, 2015 at 1:43:35 PM
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I guess the way to test this would be to simply take 2 dice and drop them from a distance onto a table from a machine. Same distance, same setup, over and over again and see if certain numbers show up more often than others. If they do then I believe one can practice enough to be able to get better results than others.
March 26th, 2015 at 1:55:36 PM
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Here's the set I use for all craps shooting:
When the stickman pushes me the dice, I note the total.
I pick them up exactly as they lie, and glance at the underside to ensure the correct total is also on the bottom.
2 - 12
3 - 11
4 - 10
5 - 9
6 - 8
7 -7
8 - 6
9 -5
10 - 4
11 - 3
12 - 2
This is a rudimentary check to make sure that at least two of the dice faces are correct and misspotted dice haven't been switched in.
Note, most stickmen will only push you dice with box numbers on top (excluding the point).
Then I roll them as hard as I can because dice setting is fucking idiotic.
When the stickman pushes me the dice, I note the total.
I pick them up exactly as they lie, and glance at the underside to ensure the correct total is also on the bottom.
2 - 12
3 - 11
4 - 10
5 - 9
6 - 8
7 -7
8 - 6
9 -5
10 - 4
11 - 3
12 - 2
This is a rudimentary check to make sure that at least two of the dice faces are correct and misspotted dice haven't been switched in.
Note, most stickmen will only push you dice with box numbers on top (excluding the point).
Then I roll them as hard as I can because dice setting is fucking idiotic.
March 26th, 2015 at 2:04:52 PM
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Watch a slow motion video of the perfect toss hitting the back wall. Ahigh has a good one (with good music also) on utube. That is he has a good video not a perfect toss.Quote: TyrilI guess the way to test this would be to simply take 2 dice and drop them from a distance onto a table from a machine. Same distance, same setup, over and over again and see if certain numbers show up more often than others. If they do then I believe one can practice enough to be able to get better results than others.
March 26th, 2015 at 2:27:10 PM
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Quote: 1BBMr. Hand is going to make Jeff stay after school.
I don't want to ruin it. Google Jeff Spicoli to see one of my all time favorite characters.
Aloha 1BB!
March 26th, 2015 at 2:35:51 PM
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When you pick up the dice, give them a little shake. They will be confused and have a harder time figuring out how to make a 7.
If you use the same set all the time, they'll eventually figure it out and give you a 7.
That's why when playing the dark side you should always set the dice to your favorite 7. They'll learn faster that way.
If you use the same set all the time, they'll eventually figure it out and give you a 7.
That's why when playing the dark side you should always set the dice to your favorite 7. They'll learn faster that way.
March 26th, 2015 at 2:41:07 PM
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I was thinking that this thread is a waste of my time, but If I'm here, and you're here, doesn't that make it our time? :)
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March 26th, 2015 at 2:46:06 PM
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Knock knock
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March 26th, 2015 at 4:56:24 PM
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Dice setting may be a waste of time, but the fact that you are making an effort to win matters to some players.
Two players on either side of me lost big to two consecutive shooters.
Before they walked away, one of the losers complained to me, 'Those two didn't even try'.
"They just picked up the dice and threw them. They could have at least tried."
The next day, I read this post from Frank Scoblete:
Since then, whenever I am shooting from the Pass Line, I always quickly set the dice and aim with purpose. If only to show the other players that I'm shooting to win us all some money.
No harm in trying.
Two players on either side of me lost big to two consecutive shooters.
Before they walked away, one of the losers complained to me, 'Those two didn't even try'.
"They just picked up the dice and threw them. They could have at least tried."
The next day, I read this post from Frank Scoblete:
Quote: FrankScobleteThe Captain believed that even random shooters should have style. Setting the dice, taking care with one's roll, being serious; all of that can be a part of a craps player's style. Does it influence the results of a random game? No, but it looks good. Clothes are clothes yet we tend to think in styles of clothes as well. In truth, if clothes are meant only to cover you and protect you against the weather, then why bother with style?
Since then, whenever I am shooting from the Pass Line, I always quickly set the dice and aim with purpose. If only to show the other players that I'm shooting to win us all some money.
No harm in trying.
