TERRIBLE DICE

Axelwolf


I have indicated this before, maybe you missed it.

You and others like Ahigh had always demanded proof of Ap or dice setting etc. Pretty much we all agree
that is not going to happen. But lets play with the question some, how much would a person have to
make a year to prove it... $100,000, $50,000, $20,000, $2000 ???

I will bet most people don't understand that if you play craps 2 days a week for a 100 hands and only bet
$5 pass with triple odds and a $18 6 & 8 , you will have an expected loss dictated by the HA of about
$22,000 give or take.

Now if you have any advantage, any at all that allows you to play like that and even break even your
way ahead of the average person. that would equal a $22,000 profit on a game with no HA.

That is the reason no casino should ever fear a DI or AP, over time, breaking EVEN is a hugh win.

Also as Superrick indicates, so many things change from day to day, that maintaining an edge, certainly
an edge based on your toss, is very very hard.

There is nothing wrong with trying to improve your odds. When we go fishing we spend many hours
reading maps and checking out baits to improve our odds, when we went elk hunting the odds where less
than 20% with a bow, we spent hours with maps and biologists to better our odds and we did, we hunt deer
in Wyoming, Michigan and Wisconsin and we spend hours and hours preparing, and Superrick has seen the
pictures of the fish and the deer to tell you we do pretty well.

Craps is the same, we do everything we can to give ourselves the best chance, not to beat the casino all the
time, but to do better than we should.

I think the terms DI or AP represent more of a process than a result and in that I don't see where
there is anything wrong with trying, and for the life of me I dont see where a person that trys to
improve the odds has to prove anything to those that dont care.

dicesetter

Quote: nickolay411

No these cannot be exploited because these outcomes are actually IMPOSSIBLE. biased dice do not work this way in the real world. Only in wincraps fantasy land can you just type in some random numbers and profit.

The problem is that you're 1st and 2nd biggest bias comes from the 1 and 6 sides... But that can't work because they sit on opposite sides of each other. Doh! If both the 1 and 6 were both biased they'd actually counter act each other.

That’s not true. If the source of bias is that the 1/6 axis is shorter than the other dimensions, then both the 1 and 6 would show up more frequently.

Now if that’s the source of bias, you only get very slightly more 7s (though a higher % of 7s would be the 1/6 variety so may stick out). You would get higher % of outside numbers and horns.