Sharpshooter's Book: Truth or Fiction
July 31st, 2014 at 4:12:09 AM
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Quote: Dicenor33Sharpshooter might think he has a shot, but he doesn't . All he said, if you place the dice next to the opposite wall and don't throw it, you'll win. No kidding, you can as well get rich by printing $100 bills in your basement.
Wow! You can print $100 bills?
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
July 31st, 2014 at 7:23:54 AM
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tALKING ABOUT $100 bills, if i had spent the hundreds and hundreds of hours that i spent
on dice control i could have found a way to print $100 bills,
My walleye boat was $48,000, i could have bought another one of those for sure, maybe 1.5
of them.
After 4.5 years of practice, it seems i am back to random...
Given the changing tables and dice, the only thing you can do is get lucky.
As far as sharpshooters book or any other book on craps, they are fun to read but they
wont help you beat the casino.
Dicesetter
on dice control i could have found a way to print $100 bills,
My walleye boat was $48,000, i could have bought another one of those for sure, maybe 1.5
of them.
After 4.5 years of practice, it seems i am back to random...
Given the changing tables and dice, the only thing you can do is get lucky.
As far as sharpshooters book or any other book on craps, they are fun to read but they
wont help you beat the casino.
Dicesetter
July 31st, 2014 at 7:28:39 AM
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Quote: dicesitterMy walleye boat was $48,000
Fishing is a gamble, too.
You don't always catch one.
Hobbies, all.
"What, me worry?"
July 31st, 2014 at 7:39:09 AM
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Roll call~July 31, 2013:
All proponents of DI say "here"
Dicesetter- "here"
Ahigh- "yo"
Nickolay411- "present"
AlanMendelson, Alan. Is Alan here?- "umm, yeah, he has one foot the classroom but he's here"
July 31, 2014 roll call
All proponents of DI identify yourselves:
Dicesetter- "umm, he just left"
Ahigh, Ahigh- "he's hiding in the closet"
Nickolay411- "aqui"
AlanMendelson- "Oh, hello Alan, good to see you at the front of the class"
All proponents of DI say "here"
Dicesetter- "here"
Ahigh- "yo"
Nickolay411- "present"
AlanMendelson, Alan. Is Alan here?- "umm, yeah, he has one foot the classroom but he's here"
July 31, 2014 roll call
All proponents of DI identify yourselves:
Dicesetter- "umm, he just left"
Ahigh, Ahigh- "he's hiding in the closet"
Nickolay411- "aqui"
AlanMendelson- "Oh, hello Alan, good to see you at the front of the class"
July 31st, 2014 at 8:00:58 AM
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Quote: MaxSwelleRoll call~July 31, 2013:
All proponents of DI say "here"
Dicesetter- "here"
Ahigh- "yo"
Nickolay411- "present"
AlanMendelson, Alan. Is Alan here?- "umm, yeah, he has one foot the classroom but he's here"
July 31, 2014 roll call
All proponents of DI identify yourselves:
Dicesetter- "umm, he just left"
Ahigh, Ahigh- "he's hiding in the closet"
Nickolay411- "aqui"
AlanMendelson- "Oh, hello Alan, good to see you at the front of the class"
haha. nice one.
July 31st, 2014 at 8:13:46 AM
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If I had $1,000,000 per year in winnings from craps, that would put a 1/3rd of 1% ding in the state wide revenues for the game of craps.
Not only that, but with just over 300 tables, if I concentrated on a single AVERAGE (IE: not $3 or $5 but higher) table, I would kill the earnings for the entire table for a year or even put the earnings negative.
Something that could easily be done with a combination of:
1) Dice control being real
2) Betting big enough to do it ($5,000 on the felt at a time for couple hundred rolls a day)
When this sort of thing happens, there won't have to be any argument about what I'm doing. $83,333/month or $2,777 shown in cash will tell the story.
Not only that, but with just over 300 tables, if I concentrated on a single AVERAGE (IE: not $3 or $5 but higher) table, I would kill the earnings for the entire table for a year or even put the earnings negative.
Something that could easily be done with a combination of:
1) Dice control being real
2) Betting big enough to do it ($5,000 on the felt at a time for couple hundred rolls a day)
When this sort of thing happens, there won't have to be any argument about what I'm doing. $83,333/month or $2,777 shown in cash will tell the story.
aahigh.com
July 31st, 2014 at 8:18:12 AM
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I am honored to not have answered that roll call of pretenders. I am indeed the chosen one.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 31st, 2014 at 8:28:41 AM
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Quote: AhighIf I had $1,000,000 per year in winnings from craps, that would put a 1/3rd of 1% ding in the state wide revenues for the game of craps.
Not only that, but with just over 300 tables, if I concentrated on a single AVERAGE (IE: not $3 or $5 but higher) table, I would kill the earnings for the entire table for a year or even put the earnings negative.
Something that could easily be done with a combination of:
1) Dice control being real
2) Betting big enough to do it ($5,000 on the felt at a time for couple hundred rolls a day)
When this sort of thing happens, there won't have to be any argument about what I'm doing. $83,333/month or $2,777 shown in cash will tell the story.
Dice control. Dice influence. What is the theoretical difference in definition? Or are they in theoretical fact synonomous?
July 31st, 2014 at 8:39:48 AM
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I ask because I saw an irate fella returning a smashed up model airplane at a hobby store. Evidently the clerk sold him the radio influenced model, despite him asking for a radio controlled model.
July 31st, 2014 at 8:45:53 AM
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If I could control dice, I would never roll a 7. But my clclonic effect does limit the appearance of a 7 to 1 in 11.6 rolls. Now that is INFLUENCE.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 31st, 2014 at 8:59:58 AM
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Quote: MaxSwelleDice control. Dice influence. What is the theoretical difference in definition? Or are they in theoretical fact synonomous?
As a useful analogy, consider bowel movements.
Bowel control = defecation.
Bowel influence = flatulance.
SS,DD
"What, me worry?"
July 31st, 2014 at 9:35:03 AM
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When all of this started it was called dice control in order to sell classes then books and hype it up to get the suckers involved. Not everyone who believes in DI or tried it is a sucker. At the beginning before the slow motion videos, some very smart logical people who thought there was something to it. At the beginning there were some places that had some dead tables(less bouncing going on) where it was more probable and even maybe possible with a 2" or 3" strike zone or whatever you want to call it. (With the mailers at some places, knowing exactly how to maximize them, it was a win anyways.). 2 to 3 inch strike zone is very hard, very few people could do this. The guys selling classes realized they needed to extend that zone 6" to 10", not hard for anyone to learn that quickly.Quote: MaxSwelleDice control. Dice influence. What is the theoretical difference in definition? Or are they in theoretical fact synonomous?
Most people realized dice control is not possible and it didn't accurately describe what was going on. They needed to come up with a better name, dice influencing, that sounded more believable and added merit. They used this to their advantage to discredit others who used that term. Everyone had to follow their lead or be considered quacks. So now the term is DI.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 31st, 2014 at 9:44:46 AM
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Perhaps "dice suggestion" or "dice molestation" would be a more appropriate term? Show me where the bad shooter touched you.
July 31st, 2014 at 10:10:03 AM
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If it were real, AP craps would be the more technically appropriate way to describe the activity.
All the names currently in use, as suggested, are to benefit the sales pitches being offered by those who are "invested" into these terms.
All the names currently in use, as suggested, are to benefit the sales pitches being offered by those who are "invested" into these terms.
aahigh.com
July 31st, 2014 at 10:50:42 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfWhen all of this started it was called dice control in order to sell classes then books and hype it up to get the suckers involved. Not everyone who believes in DI or tried it is a sucker. At the beginning before the slow motion videos, some very smart logical people who thought there was something to it. .
So now days the guys that have been taking advantage of the suckers have one thing going for themselves, when anybody questions them on anything they are writing, they cut off the poster and lock down the thread. If that doesn't work they fire up all of their followers and start calling the person names that don't think the same way that they do. Common sense went out the casinos doors, when these guys started looking for the magic bullet!
Quote: AxelWolf
Most people realized dice control is not possible and it didn't accurately describe what was going on. They needed to come up with a better name, dice influencing, that sounded more believable and added merit. They used this to their advantage to discredit others who used that term. Everyone had to follow their lead or be considered quacks. So now the term is DI.
There are always going to be suckers out there, these guys that are telling everybody that their dice stay on axis, now have to come-up with something else to convince their followers that by taking their classes, then can win at craps.
Most likely they will be doing that with their made up trip reports, and lets not forget their use of the great fiction writers, that no one has ever met!
All you have to do is to watch the slow-motion videos and that should knock some sense into your head.
Slow motion videos of dice shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FYrndlrpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiZf3jbjie0&list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag
Don't you think that these so-called experts could keep their dice on axis, they would have countered these videos with one of their own, showing the dice staying on axis? Why hasn't that happened, they are after all the greatest shooters there ever was! Why can't they put together five shots that show that they can actually do what they are preaching?
The other thing is why do they need fiction to sell what they are doing, they know that our great fiction writers are just that, they have never met the one fiction writer that writes on all of these DI boards, what's that tell you? Not one so-called DI has ever played on the same table with the greatest fiction writer there is on the game of craps, that has been hiding behind the curtain for years!
If they allow fiction on their craps board for becoming a DI, how could you trust them?
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction
http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php
...
July 31st, 2014 at 10:59:24 AM
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Or no one would have been describing it because the cash would have been rolling in (no pun intended). Once the initial guys realized they could not make money playing it they sold it.Quote: AhighIf it were real, AP craps would be the more technically appropriate way to describe the activity.
All the names currently in use, as suggested, are to benefit the sales pitches being offered by those who are "invested" into these terms.
Classes were never the original intentions, it just happened. Once the roomers got out about DI, guys were begging to get in on this. Someone realized if they sold themselves and held strong that DI works. They could make a fortune with little or no overhead(AWESOME). Anyone with a real craps table and a nice place could have rented it out for big bucks at the beginning of the DI boom, and people did.
They asked in a different thread, What would you do for money? Take me back 10 YEARS. I didn't just realize enough people were foolish enough to pay money to learn something that seems so improbable. I knew it was going on but I thought for sure it was going to fizzle out in a few months. At the time, I thought it might be possible, I didn't think teaching people was the right move.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 31st, 2014 at 11:25:54 AM
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I didn't want this thread to be a debate about DI but only a discussion of Sherpsooter's book. But the discussion left the high road and careened into the gutter.
The slo mo videos above posted by superrick do not show anything that can be called a controlled or influeced shot. They are the products of pretenders. They don't even come close to what a true DI can do.
You probably never saw a true DI shot -- not one of you.
You probably never saw Sharpshooter throw but I did.
I am not surprised you all say it's impossible because you've never seen it.
And then if you ever saw it you would fail to understand the limitations and would expect more... and only charlatans promise more.
The slo mo videos above posted by superrick do not show anything that can be called a controlled or influeced shot. They are the products of pretenders. They don't even come close to what a true DI can do.
You probably never saw a true DI shot -- not one of you.
You probably never saw Sharpshooter throw but I did.
I am not surprised you all say it's impossible because you've never seen it.
And then if you ever saw it you would fail to understand the limitations and would expect more... and only charlatans promise more.
July 31st, 2014 at 11:31:08 AM
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No this thread elevate that book to the gutter. It belongs in an incinerator.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 31st, 2014 at 11:39:33 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
July 31st, 2014 at 11:48:17 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesI'm sure any video offering any form of proof will be "edited" to only show the good rolls.
Other than editing for time, and not content, why wouldn't the video proof only showcase successful throws. Successful throws being repeatedly landing on axis, maintaining correlation throughout back wall contact and returning to the felt as hypothesized
July 31st, 2014 at 11:55:08 AM
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I think the viewers are hypnotized, to say the least. Hopefully my book will enlighten them. Amazon is tryin to get me to allow a kindle version. No way I am going to allow a $3,000 book to be pirated.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 31st, 2014 at 11:58:41 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonThe slo mo videos above posted by superrick do not show anything that can be called a controlled or influeced shot. They are the products of pretenders. They don't even come close to what a true DI can do.
Two of those three are my videos. I'm not entirely sure, but if you're calling me a "pretender" I think that's a violation of the rules seeing as I'm a forum member, and the use of the word "pretenders" in this case is something I would consider to be name-calling.
aahigh.com
July 31st, 2014 at 12:00:59 PM
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This one does tickle me I must say. There's a fella that goes by the moniker Koganinja777 and he is a "DIP" in the truest sense. Anyway, he has posted a few slow motion videos on Youtube, one of which shows a pair of dice landing on the felt in beautiful correlation and immediately splaying apart and bouncing erratically. When a commenter pointed out how the dice bounce randomly upon impact, the ninja cited the following..."I do not have a complete 100% explanation as to this phenomenon; I’m not a scientist, other than to say it is “Controlled Chaos”. It is my guess that once we apply a proper amount of toss energy, proper rotation, height, 45° angle, and all the other variables which must be in place to achieve a proper control throw the result IS an influence over the dice!" C'mon, friggin' genius, yeah?
July 31st, 2014 at 12:04:10 PM
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Quote: AhighTwo of those three are my videos. I'm not entirely sure, but if you're calling me a "pretender" I think that's a violation of the rules seeing as I'm a forum member, and the use of the word "pretenders" in this case is something I would consider to be name-calling.
pre-ten-der: [noun] person who makes unjustified or false claims, statements.
July 31st, 2014 at 12:08:10 PM
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Quote: MaxSwellepre-ten-der: [noun] person who makes unjustified or false claims, statements.
But what is that person truly believes those claims to be true ? Isn't a forum the proper place to state those beliefs and allow other to disagree.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 31st, 2014 at 12:15:21 PM
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Quote: BuzzardQuote: MaxSwellepre-ten-der: [noun] person who makes unjustified or false claims, statements.
But what is that person truly believes those claims to be true ? Isn't a forum the proper place to state those beliefs and allow other to disagree.
Sure, I would agree with that, but what does Ahigh believe to be true? What's todays date?
July 31st, 2014 at 12:20:09 PM
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But at all times be posts what he believes in at that moment. That to me is a sign of integrity.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 31st, 2014 at 12:23:22 PM
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Quote: AhighTwo of those three are my videos. I'm not entirely sure, but if you're calling me a "pretender" I think that's a violation of the rules seeing as I'm a forum member, and the use of the word "pretenders" in this case is something I would consider to be name-calling.
You should quickly sent a private message to the Wiz like you usually do when your feelings are hurt by something that most people would just ignore. It's the only solution I can see.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
July 31st, 2014 at 12:29:25 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI didn't want this thread to be a debate about DI but only a discussion of Sherpsooter's book. But the discussion left the high road and careened into the gutter.
The slo mo videos above posted by superrick do not show anything that can be called a controlled or influeced shot. They are the products of pretenders. They don't even come close to what a true DI can do.
You probably never saw a true DI shot -- not one of you.
You probably never saw Sharpshooter throw but I did.
I am not surprised you all say it's impossible because you've never seen it.
And then if you ever saw it you would fail to understand the limitations and would expect more... and only charlatans promise more.
Alan I have more time on the craps tables around Vegas then you will ever have, I know some of the best DI's on this planet, and I know for a fact that your dice do not stay on axis. You show me five shots that your heroes made that stayed on axis in slow motion and I will tell you that you are right. That will never happen!
Your definition of a DI doesn't hold water, your statement of they were the products of pretenders had me cracking up, you yourself said that you only thought you seen one true DI, in all of the years you have been playing! None of your arguments hold water because you don't know what a DI is!
Answer me one question, just how many times a year do you play real craps, we won't count your card craps that you play over in California! Your the expert, so you say, you read one book and you know it all, I guess that is why Sharpshooter still has a day job, just like you!
We already debated Sharpshooter book and the consensus is forget about it, its just a sales tool to sell classes and any other junk that they can sell.
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction
http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php
...
July 31st, 2014 at 12:45:01 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI didn't want this thread to be a debate about DI but only a discussion of Sherpsooter's book. But the discussion left the high road and careened into the gutter.
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You posted here instead of Amazon
Is the book sold on Amazon?
Then post there if you only want to discuss the book.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
July 31st, 2014 at 12:45:03 PM
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Quote: superrick...I know some of the best DI's on this planet, and I know for a fact that your dice do not stay on axis.
Superrick,
Re: the DI's that your know-do they utilize more than a single type of, side by side style toss? I'm serious when I ask because the few folks I've believed to convey influence on casino dice did it with subtlety and the throws looked nothing like GTC/PARR throws.
July 31st, 2014 at 12:50:16 PM
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Are there any guys out here making money and supporting themselves on DI and DI alone? Not selling classes not selling books or conning people. No mailers, just DI?
Please don't tell me about some doctor who shoots craps and looks like a DI.
I'm talking someone who has been playing at least 20 hrs a week for over a year and keeps records.
Please don't tell me about some doctor who shoots craps and looks like a DI.
I'm talking someone who has been playing at least 20 hrs a week for over a year and keeps records.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 31st, 2014 at 1:15:36 PM
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Quote: Zcore13You should quickly sent a private message to the Wiz like you usually do when your feelings are hurt by something that most people would just ignore. It's the only solution I can see.
I might actually listen to your advice once in a while if I respected you. I didn't report his message, and if I felt that he did it intentionally to be mean and hurtful to me as I more often feel when you make comments about me, I would have reported it to the administrators. In this case I didn't.
I didn't make up the rules, but I have choices. First choice is to break the rules myself in response. Second choice is to point out the rules or report the post.
I have no interest in violating the rules, so I am left pointing out the rules and/or reporting the post.
aahigh.com
July 31st, 2014 at 1:22:19 PM
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Quote: AhighI might actually listen to your advice once in a while if I respected you. I didn't report his message, and if I felt that he did it intentionally to be mean and hurtful to me as I more often feel when you make comments about me, I would have reported it to the administrators. In this case I didn't.
I didn't make up the rules, but I have choices. First choice is to break the rules myself in response. Second choice is to point out the rules or report the post.
I have no interest in violating the rules, so I am left pointing out the rules and/or reporting the post.
Your type never do. But I know it's just the facts and truth you have issues with so it's ok.
On a brighter note, welcome to the world of reality. I love that you've come around to know what normal people have known about Dice Wishing for a long time. Congrats Dwight, you've earned it.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
July 31st, 2014 at 1:30:57 PM
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Quote: Zcore13Quote: AhighI might actually listen to your advice once in a while if I respected you. I didn't report his message, and if I felt that he did it intentionally to be mean and hurtful to me as I more often feel when you make comments about me, I would have reported it to the administrators. In this case I didn't.
I didn't make up the rules, but I have choices. First choice is to break the rules myself in response. Second choice is to point out the rules or report the post.
I have no interest in violating the rules, so I am left pointing out the rules and/or reporting the post.
Your type never do. But I know it's just the facts and truth you have issues with so it's ok.
On a brighter note, welcome to the world of reality. I love that you've come around to know what normal people have known about Dice Wishing for a long time. Congrats Dwight, you've earned it.
ZCore13
Your message is clearly lacking character and sincerity.
aahigh.com
July 31st, 2014 at 1:33:53 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfAre there any guys out here making money and supporting themselves on DI and DI alone? Not selling classes not selling books or conning people. No mailers, just DI?
To distinguish DI from good luck you need at least 100,000 throws of the dice assuming you're betting to give yourself the best chance to be ahead (using odds). Good betting can easily allow you to support yourself for a year or more from good luck alone.
So you'll find folks who THINK that they are doing it, and far fewer (some suggest zero) who know.
aahigh.com
July 31st, 2014 at 1:41:45 PM
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Quote: Zcore13Quote: AhighCongrats Dwight, you've earned it. ZCore13
Well if that don't BEET all.
July 31st, 2014 at 2:35:45 PM
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Well okay, due to inspiration from this thread I invested several minutes looking into this book with half of one eye and two fingers of my left hand, while paying bills and updating data on other stuff with the rest of my decrepit ol' self. I found that it has apparently been out of print for about a decade, but is readily available on Amazon for $0.01 + shipping. According to Wikipedia the publisher ("Bonus Books") has been bought & sold & moved from Chicago to LA by the publisher of a celebrity gossip magazine, and then as of 2012 there was no longer any contact information available for them, and they no longer pay to maintain a working website.
EDIT: In the paragraph below, I misidentified the author, and this paragraph is from publicly posted information about the author of the forward who is NOT the "Sharpshooter" who is the topic of this thread. I've deleted some mistaken references confusing the two, while leaving the paragraph about the fellow who wrote the "forward" recommendation for it:
[DELETE misidentification] degrees in literature, history, and philosophy, and has been variously employed teaching classes on science fiction to middle & high school students and as a travelling actor with a dinner theater troupe, when not writing pieces for small 'freebee' type gambling publications of the sort that are commonly given away in casinos. His first book on the subject was "Beat the Craps Out of the Casinos" published in 1991 by Paone Press, a mail-order publishing house founded by his future wife Paone, who has also taught at Lawrence Middle School. It seems his interests in instructing others on making money from casinos is rather wider than dice, at least encompassing other pit games such as blackjack. He also writes under the pen name "King Scobe."
In the unlikely event I feel moved to purchase [EDIT-Sharpshooter's] work, I think I'll hold out for free shipping on that $0.01. What's Buzzard's book going for again? Does he also offer $300 personal seminars like "King" apparently was? If not, why not? Seems that's where its really at, no?
EDIT: In the paragraph below, I misidentified the author, and this paragraph is from publicly posted information about the author of the forward who is NOT the "Sharpshooter" who is the topic of this thread. I've deleted some mistaken references confusing the two, while leaving the paragraph about the fellow who wrote the "forward" recommendation for it:
[DELETE misidentification] degrees in literature, history, and philosophy, and has been variously employed teaching classes on science fiction to middle & high school students and as a travelling actor with a dinner theater troupe, when not writing pieces for small 'freebee' type gambling publications of the sort that are commonly given away in casinos. His first book on the subject was "Beat the Craps Out of the Casinos" published in 1991 by Paone Press, a mail-order publishing house founded by his future wife Paone, who has also taught at Lawrence Middle School. It seems his interests in instructing others on making money from casinos is rather wider than dice, at least encompassing other pit games such as blackjack. He also writes under the pen name "King Scobe."
In the unlikely event I feel moved to purchase [EDIT-Sharpshooter's] work, I think I'll hold out for free shipping on that $0.01. What's Buzzard's book going for again? Does he also offer $300 personal seminars like "King" apparently was? If not, why not? Seems that's where its really at, no?
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
July 31st, 2014 at 2:46:21 PM
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Frank posts here, and this article a few years old suggests that dice is possible to AP play.
http://www.casinocitytimes.com/article/advantage-play-it-aint-for-everyone-60007
http://www.casinocitytimes.com/article/advantage-play-it-aint-for-everyone-60007
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July 31st, 2014 at 2:56:49 PM
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Hmmm, thanks for that information, I guess it figures that he would both hold that point of view and might post here.
I found myself being more intrigued by imagining the experience of his travelling dinner theater thing that I stumbled into in my brief search (vicariously - not that I'd be a candidate to do that) but hey, that might be slightly off topic.
EDIT to add: Full disclosure, I just remembered that I once did handicapping seminars at a racetrack on the side from my day job many moons ago. Mostly because my girlfriend at the time worked for the track & the national company that owned it, and was asked by her boss to find somebody to do that. "No thanks" was not a sensible option.
I found myself being more intrigued by imagining the experience of his travelling dinner theater thing that I stumbled into in my brief search (vicariously - not that I'd be a candidate to do that) but hey, that might be slightly off topic.
EDIT to add: Full disclosure, I just remembered that I once did handicapping seminars at a racetrack on the side from my day job many moons ago. Mostly because my girlfriend at the time worked for the track & the national company that owned it, and was asked by her boss to find somebody to do that. "No thanks" was not a sensible option.
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July 31st, 2014 at 4:35:05 PM
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How could you say you did some research..... Frank S isn't sharpshooter and didn't write the book! Just reflects the quality of posts regarding this subject.
July 31st, 2014 at 4:40:35 PM
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Quote: DanMahoneyHow could you say you did some research..... Frank S isn't sharpshooter and didn't write the book! Just reflects the quality of posts regarding this subject.
Correct.
Scoblete is not Sharpshooter.
"What, me worry?"
July 31st, 2014 at 5:49:28 PM
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Well okay then, I see that I'm that I'm mistaken. He merely wrote a forward to the book by "Sharpshooter" highly recommending it: "Learn the application as Sharpshooter teaches it, and you'll be able to beat the game of craps - at least when you roll." So I stand corrected.
I thought I made the how & what of that clear enough:Quote: DanMahoneyHow could you say you did some research.....
"Several" means slightly more than two, like maybe about three, with minimal effort and little attention, of the limited sort that might be used while deciding not to put it on the list of things one chooses to spend further time on. If you are offended and outraged that someone treats the subject so very casually by looking at it only about as briefly as a fruit fly, without the greater depth & seriousness of purpose you apparently feel is warranted... well, that's too bad. Surely this can't come as a great surprise, does it? Hope not, I wouldn't think many would find that the least bit surprising, but if so, best be getting used to it. This is several more minutes than most would choose to invest, and that really doesn't get in the way of doing what you might want to do with it, now does it? I'm pretty sure you'll find (and probably have found quite a bit) that my response to the notion is deliberately less derogatory than most folk might choose to be, so you might want to think through how you really want to be dealing with that simple reality.Quote: Me...several minutes looking into this book with half of one eye and two fingers of my left hand...
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July 31st, 2014 at 6:13:03 PM
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I think your assessment is on target
July 31st, 2014 at 6:14:21 PM
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The casinos are pretty smart.
The dice can be any size.
Gigantic big heavier dice, easy to control.
Tiny lite dice, impossible to control.
Gotta have something in between, small enough to insure a random result, big enough to give people a false hope they can control the result thereby increasing business.
The dice can be any size.
Gigantic big heavier dice, easy to control.
Tiny lite dice, impossible to control.
Gotta have something in between, small enough to insure a random result, big enough to give people a false hope they can control the result thereby increasing business.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
July 31st, 2014 at 6:21:51 PM
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Quote: MaxSwelleSuperrick,
Re: the DI's that your know-do they utilize more than a single type of, side by side style toss? I'm serious when I ask because the few folks I've believed to convey influence on casino dice did it with subtlety and the throws looked nothing like GTC/PARR throws.
You are absolutely correct, there are more ways to skin a cat, then these shots that GTC or PARR shooter came up with that don't work on all tables, so the true DI's came up with different shots. You don't have to be a GTC or PARR shooter to be a DI, that is why Alan is wrong! He simply doesn't play craps enough to know what he is talking about, all of his DI experience is based on one book, that was a sales tool, for the school that helped to produce it.
Lets not forget that one guy he thought might have been a DI, because all he can see is what that one book said in it. If you don't fit into his little box that he made for himself your not a DI!
That book is just like the well edited videos they made to sell their schools. Now I'm not saying that I didn't buy his book I do have a copy of the book in my library, and I do tell some of the guys that they should read it, there are a few things in it like any book out there that might help them out, but you can't take it at 100% verbatim! Some of the worst books that I've read gave me a lot on insight into bets that you should never make. You can get something out of just about any book, if you have an open mind when reading them!
There are a lot of DI's that if I told Alan that they were a DI, he would simply wouldn't believe it, but their shooting would tell a different story!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
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July 31st, 2014 at 7:54:02 PM
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RE: Bibliography of available evidence, non-anecdotal publications?
Okay, I'm sure this question will duplicate some others that are nearly identical from time to time, but I inadvertently goaded myself into looking slightly further, and the result of that is when casting about for something resembling controlled studies on the matter, I find Stanford Wong coming up (mildly surprising to me) and I then find links back to an experiment in 2004, as described on this site by the site's owner. Just as a matter of what does or doesn't get my personal curiosity I'm tentatively moving the notion from the "nah no further time looking" category to the smaller "ehhh maybe sometime later perhaps" bin. So, if someone happens to feel like indulging my mild merely spectator's type curiosity, has there been a suggested bibliography put together on this general topic that's already available as a handy reference, sorting out what has been written that doesn't amount to a marketing pamphlet for selling a seminar? Ideally with some knowledgeable editorial remarks evaluating the possibilities to help sort out the inevitable goofy dreck that's always attached to any gambling related topic?
I'm thinking perhaps it is already here but it just isn't obvious to me in looking through the thread titles in this sub-forum. Or is the Wong/Wizard 2004 thing really the entirety of what is publicly available for empirical evidence looking into it? Seems it would be the kind of thing some academics (and their bright-eyed grad students) like to poke at. If it doesn't exist, or isn't sufficiently handy to point to and I would need to go on my own foraging expedition, so be it...
Okay, I'm sure this question will duplicate some others that are nearly identical from time to time, but I inadvertently goaded myself into looking slightly further, and the result of that is when casting about for something resembling controlled studies on the matter, I find Stanford Wong coming up (mildly surprising to me) and I then find links back to an experiment in 2004, as described on this site by the site's owner. Just as a matter of what does or doesn't get my personal curiosity I'm tentatively moving the notion from the "nah no further time looking" category to the smaller "ehhh maybe sometime later perhaps" bin. So, if someone happens to feel like indulging my mild merely spectator's type curiosity, has there been a suggested bibliography put together on this general topic that's already available as a handy reference, sorting out what has been written that doesn't amount to a marketing pamphlet for selling a seminar? Ideally with some knowledgeable editorial remarks evaluating the possibilities to help sort out the inevitable goofy dreck that's always attached to any gambling related topic?
I'm thinking perhaps it is already here but it just isn't obvious to me in looking through the thread titles in this sub-forum. Or is the Wong/Wizard 2004 thing really the entirety of what is publicly available for empirical evidence looking into it? Seems it would be the kind of thing some academics (and their bright-eyed grad students) like to poke at. If it doesn't exist, or isn't sufficiently handy to point to and I would need to go on my own foraging expedition, so be it...
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
July 31st, 2014 at 8:53:45 PM
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Superrick I've been waiting for you to tell us how you are a DI and know other DIs. So please go ahead
..my thread no longer exists. Go ahead and tell us all about it.
..my thread no longer exists. Go ahead and tell us all about it.
July 31st, 2014 at 9:28:38 PM
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I am not going to set up any classes. If I teach any number of students, the end result will be casino's removing crap tables. No oath or signed document will stop at least several students from killing the golden goose.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
