Random Shooter Law of Average vs. DI
11:14 will PSO
2:14 will make a point or two
1:14 will get lucky and make back most of your losses from the previous shooters.
A table full of DI's:
6:14 will make 1 point or 4 numbers.
4:14 will make 2 points and repeating numbers.
2:14 will roll 3 points or more and repeating numbers.
2:14 will PSO because it happens.
If there was a full table of DI's, the casino will experience a losing day 100% of the time.
Problem is each day there are 80% random shooters making the casino money 80% of the time.
Never mind. It's not worth a suspension.
Your data is not at all accurate except for the last oneQuote: CrapsGeniousRandom Shooter Law of Average:
11:14 will PSO
2:14 will make a point or two
1:14 will get lucky and make back most of your losses from the previous shooters.
here are the corrected values (actual dice rolls verify these values of mine)
"11:14 will PSO"
No way, not 11 out of 14 starting with the very first roll of their hand
it is 1 out of 9 (24/36 * 1/6) on average, but I think one should also include hands like
2,4,7
3,6,7
12,8,7
2,3,6,7
because those first craps rolls still are killer then followed by a P7O
that makes the average 1 in 8 or
1.75 in 14
"2:14 will make a point or two"
only 2 out of 14?
real number is 4.75 on average, will make 1 or 2 points per 14
look how close it is with actual dice rolls
Zumma shows this for points per shooter
4.725794884
yahoo!
(fear no math, very simple to do. add, divide, multiply)
for the record
the distribution of the number of points made per shooter
average is 0.683673469 points made per shooter (Yes, less than 1)
in Zumma: 0.676786995
Yahoo!
actual dice rolls rule!
# points prob
1 0.24117539
2 0.097931825
3 0.039766256
4 0.01614751
5 0.006556868
6 0.002662486
7 0.001081131
8 0.000439005
9 0.000178262
10 7.23854E-05
11+ 4.94879E-05
last
I do agree with this
"1:14 will get lucky and make back most of your losses from the previous shooters"
from my "length of a shooter hand" table I made in Excel (verified by actual casino dice rolls)
1 in 14 shooters make it past 19 rolls on average without the 7out showing
one should be able to make LOTS of real money over 19 rolls without a 7out, you would think
I would thinks so
as to data on the DI stuff, lack of any evidence abounds for your results
(I even looked at Frank Scoblete websites for such info, only silence. I had my headphones on)
But your conclusion about 100% DIs causing the casino craps table to lose 100% of the time
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Quote: CrapsGeniousRandom Shooter Law of Average:
11:14 will PSO
2:14 will make a point or two
1:14 will get lucky and make back most of your losses from the previous shooters.
A table full of DI's:
6:14 will make 1 point or 4 numbers.
4:14 will make 2 points and repeating numbers.
2:14 will roll 3 points or more and repeating numbers.
2:14 will PSO because it happens.
If there was a full table of DI's, the casino will experience a losing day 100% of the time.
Problem is each day there are 80% random shooters making the casino money 80% of the time.
Boy that's some great data you got there, in what great book of fiction did you get that from, or did you come up with it all by yourself?
Quote: CrapsGenious
If there was a full table of DI's, the casino will experience a losing day 100% of the time.
Problem is each day there are 80% random shooters making the casino money 80% of the time.
I really loved the above statement, most real DI's avoid tables full of DI's like the plague, once one of them has a short roll or a PSO, they all seem to follow suit.
Keep up the good work though, your great comedian!
Just how many of these so-called DI's do you see everyday? If there is a lot of them where you are playing how can the casinos keep the doors open?
Quote: superrickBoy that's some great data you got there, in what great book of fiction did you get that from, or did you come up with it all by yourself?
I really loved the above statement, most real DI's avoid tables full of DI's like the plague, once one of them has a short roll or a PSO, they all seem to follow suit.
Keep up the good work though, your great comedian!
Just how many of these so-called DI's do you see everyday? If there is a lot of them where you are playing how can the casinos keep the doors open?
Here, let me make it easier for you to understand:
RANDOM SHOOTERS SUCK,
superman.
Quote: CrapsGenious
Here, let me make it easier for you to understand:
RANDOM SHOOTERS SUCK,
Well maybe you never looked at what your shots are doing when they hit the tables you play on, just in case you never did look at them in slow-motion, here is a good look at what happens, totally RANDOM!
Slow motion videos of dice shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FYrndlrpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiZf3jbjie0&list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag
Quote: sodawaterI do not understand why the moderators here will suspend someone for "profanity" but will let at an obvious troll make hundreds of posts that waste everyone's time. Seems to me like the focus of moderation has lost the thread, so to speak.
It's a "forum" Geez, isn't that what members do is create a discussion and then post. It is your choice if you want to enter the thread and read it. Personally I don't think it's a waste of time, in fact I think these forums allow readers to enlighten themselves on some education to save money and gain some knowledge about playing craps and not betting "over your head"
Many readers may not be as superior like others, and my apologies if these posts waste your time.
Quote: superrickWell maybe you never looked at what your shots are doing when they hit the tables you play on, just in case you never did look at them in slow-motion, here is a good look at what happens, totally RANDOM!
Slow motion videos of dice shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FYrndlrpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiZf3jbjie0&list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag
I do not need to look at "slow motion" I see with my own eyes what the dice do when they leave my fingers. thank you for sharing these though. I'm sure they will be of great help to "other" readers
Quote: CrapsGeniousIt's a "forum" Geez, isn't that what members do is create a discussion and then post. It is your choice if you want to enter the thread and read it. Personally I don't think it's a waste of time, in fact I think these forums allow readers to enlighten themselves on some education to save money and gain some knowledge about playing craps and not betting "over your head"
Many readers may not be as superior like others, and my apologies if these posts waste your time.
I have to agree with you CrapsGenious! Even though I find most of your post very funny, someone may get something out of them! I have always believed self-censorship, if you don't like what somebody posts, you don't have to read it. What may seem silly to some, others may find interesting, and get something out of it.
Most of the stuff that you post, I have to ask myself if you're really serious, or just trying to give everybody a good laugh!
Quote: CrapsGeniousI do not need to look at "slow motion" I see with my own eyes what the dice do when they leave my fingers. thank you for sharing these though. I'm sure they will be of great help to "other" readers[/q
CrapsGenious, I question whether or not you can see what is happening with the dice with your bare eye as well as these or other slo-mo videos.
I'm not sure which speed these were filmed at but down in comments 250hz is mentioned, not sure if that is 250fps or not but I know some of the clips are shot anywhere from 30 to 1000 fps. In my case that's exactly what I could not do is see as well without the help of slo-mo. Once I was able to see what the dice do not only after they leave the hand but once they hit the felt, all doubt about dice control is removed. Those dice after hitting the alligators are rotating at over 1000 rpm. I defy anyone to see that with a naked eye which is used to seeing the world at 14 fps. Jmo
Im sure you do see what dice do when they leave your fingers, to bad you don't see what they do once they hit the table and bounce around chaotically.Quote: CrapsGeniousI do not need to look at "slow motion" I see with my own eyes what the dice do when they leave my fingers. thank you for sharing these though. I'm sure they will be of great help to "other" readers
That first toss seems to be as good as you can realistically get.
Evidence.....we don't need no stinking evidence.
Quote: AxelWolfIm sure you do see what dice do when they leave your fingers, to bad you don't see what they do once they hit the table and bounce around chaotically.
That first toss seems to be as good as you can realistically get.
Evidence.....we don't need no stinking evidence.
That extra information is not needed. Once you shoot the dice, your main objective is to avoid the 7.
So what if I see them land and the first dice rolls forward 3 and second dice rolls 2 time and left once. Does that mean I need to shoot them differently to make the first dice roll 1 time. (It doesn't matter)
"just set them and roll, and pray you don't get a seven"
EXACTLY!!!!!Quote: CrapsGenious
"just set them and roll, and pray you don't get a seven"
Quote: petroglyphQuote: CrapsGeniousI do not need to look at "slow motion" I see with my own eyes what the dice do when they leave my fingers. thank you for sharing these though. I'm sure they will be of great help to "other" readers
CrapsGenious, I question whether or not you can see what is happening with the dice with your bare eye as well as these or other slo-mo videos.
I'm not sure which speed these were filmed at but down in comments 250hz is mentioned, not sure if that is 250fps or not but I know some of the clips are shot anywhere from 30 to 1000 fps. In my case that's exactly what I could not do is see as well without the help of slo-mo. Once I was able to see what the dice do not only after they leave the hand but once they hit the felt, all doubt about dice control is removed. Those dice after hitting the alligators are rotating at over 1000 rpm. I defy anyone to see that with a naked eye which is used to seeing the world at 14 fps. Jmo
There is no such thing as "Dice Control" forget about it.
noone in all my life can call a number and roll it.
I myself in 15 years of playing craps have yet to see anyone prove to be a dice controller.
As a "dice influencer" I could say if you use a selected set and shoot them to the wall, I can easily say, not gonna get a seven this throw before they even land.
the goal as a "DI" is to avoid the 7 and make lots of numbers.
Quote: AxelWolfEXACTLY!!!!!
Sheesh, I'm so glad we are on the same page now.
Thanks!
Just not sure how often God answers gambling prayers, at least he knows you mean it.Quote: CrapsGeniousSheesh, I'm so glad we are on the same page now.
Slow-motion video is the only way that you would really see what's happening with the dice when they hit the table! I must say that one of the funny things in life is we can convince ourselves of just about anything when it comes to gambling.
Every gambler wants to convince themselves that they have found the way to beat the games they play, and becoming a DI has been an easy sell, to all the dreamers out there. The whole bit about the dice staying on axis just doesn't make any sense. But once the books hit the market, it because a whole lot easier for all the fiction writer to sell what they were pushing, hell they were so good what they did they convinced the casinos that the so-called DI's were taken hundreds of thousands of dollars off the tables a year.
Craps players have been looking for the magic bullet since the game first began. The last few decades before our present recession when money was flowing like water, becoming a DI was an easy sell. Now that were still in a recession, it's a little harder for some of these schools to sell their classes.
It wasn't till only recently that slow-motion cameras have come down in price so anybody can own one. With the onset of these new slow motion cameras, we have been able to see what really happens when the dice hit the tables, there has been two dice camps, some that teaches on axis dice control, and some that teaches off axis.
The guys that teach on axis have said that off axis shots could not work. Now days we know that every shot someone makes this truly off axis even though the on axis schools will never admit it!
Even with that said, I still think it's a good idea for someone to take a class if the school teaches good betting skills, and has a program that will actually work in a casino.
But when it comes to the dice staying on axis, it just doesn't happen!
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Quote: RonCPlease tell me what source you used to provide your statistics on DI's.
Thanks!
Son, I've been playing craps for more than 15 years. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to come up with stats through law of averages, trends, lucky random shooters.
Back in the day, we didn't have "dice controllers", "dice influencers". We had "Sharp shooters" who create trends that we follow. If you ever notice every time the same shooter gets the dice and rolls repeating 9's... then why in the world would you bet the 6/8 on that shooter.
Ever hear of that phrase "When you walk up to a poker table and can not spot the sucker, then you are the sucker"
In the case of craps, you "spot the DI's and bet with them on what they roll".
This is how I get my stats. the source is 15+ years at a live table.
What's your former occupation ?Quote: CrapsGenious
Quote: AxelWolfWhat's your former occupation ?
Machinist. Why do you ask?
Quote: CrapsGeniousSon, I've been playing craps for more than 15 years. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to come up with stats through law of averages, trends, lucky random shooters.
Back in the day, we didn't have "dice controllers", "dice influencers". We had "Sharp shooters" who create trends that we follow. If you ever notice every time the same shooter gets the dice and rolls repeating 9's... then why in the world would you bet the 6/8 on that shooter.
Ever hear of that phrase "When you walk up to a poker table and can not spot the sucker, then you are the sucker"
In the case of craps, you "spot the DI's and bet with them on what they roll".
This is how I get my stats. the source is 15+ years at a live table.
I've given you the benefit of the doubt by saying things like "if you could" influence the dice even though dice control, setting, sharp shooting and such have pretty much been discounted by all but a few rabid believers who show no real proof of anything. I am still not saying that "it" is not possible but no one has proven, here on a forum about Vegas and math (and some other varied stuff), that they can influence, control, sharp shoot or do anything, outside of dice sliding (illegal) the dice.
I have tried to give you ideas on how to bet based on your perception of both your abilities and the shooting of random rollers, based on the math and your basic ideas of betting.
The one thing I won't tolerate in this conversation is the pejorative use of the word "Son" when addressing me. I respect that you've been playing craps for 15 years and that you are 8 years from retirement but there is no need for that.
Supperick does or does NOT believe in DI or DC?
Quote: KeyserCan somebody give me a quick update?
Supperick does or does NOT believe in DI or DC?
Everybody calls me a DI, for what it is worth, but unfortunately for some of the schools I tell it like it is. I live in the Las Vegas area and play craps all time, I know some of the best DI's in this country, and will be the first to tell you they can't win all the time, nor do they take hundreds of thousands of dollars of the craps tables a year. Think about it for one minute, if you were winning that kind of money the casinos would ban you. Their are in business to make money and they damn sure aren't your personal ATMs!
Unfortunately we have some fantastic fiction writers in the craps playing community, that happens to write some of the best fiction you will read on the game of craps. Therefore causing everybody that plays craps a lot of grief, with their BS.
The way I look at it, the casinos have a lot more to fear from the so-called random rollers, because they outnumber the DI's tens of thousands to one! Just attend one of these classes and go to the tables with a bunch of the so-called DI's, and see what happens. Most of the time you going to see a lot of money dropped by them. Sure every once in a while they get lucky, just like anybody else does.
Once one of them has a short roll or a PSO it seems to go right around the table everybody following suit! I will not play with the whole group of DI's, for that very reason.
Most craps players will be lucky if they ever really see a DI, and when they do most likely they won't even know it!
Here you can look and see what we go through to practice our shooting, and betting. Craps even with the small house edge that it holds on players, can at times be almost impossible beat, even for someone who practices shooting and betting all the time.
It is plain out and out BS, when some of these dice camps are talking about AP craps playing! They want you to believe that if you practice enough you can become almost godlike, with your shooting, therefore winning all that money that they claim they are taken off the tables every year.
Common sense should tell anybody that it's not happening, but some of these fiction writers are so good that,.. they even have the casinos believing their BS.
Here's the link, where you can see what I practiced on and where I help some of the other guys out when they are in town.
http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/Praticing_Videos_with_the_guys_about2876.html
I do not sell anything or charge my friends to help them out, I do not teach a class or anything like one.
When out-of-town players come in that knows me, I try to show them the other part of Vegas they will never see, because all they want to do is spend 24 hours a day in the casinos.
You can't win if your spending to much time in the casinos, that is why they give you comps, to keep you in their casinos, until you are broke! I know that every time I set foot in a casino, I'm putting my money at risk, just like everybody else, the only way you can win is is through smart money management, and by getting lucky when you get on a good roll. Most so-called DI's don't know the first thing about good money management, because they always have that job they can fall back on, to replenish their bankroll.
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Quote: RonCQuote: CrapsGeniousSon, I've been playing craps for more than 15 years. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to come up with stats through law of averages, trends, lucky random shooters.
Back in the day, we didn't have "dice controllers", "dice influencers". We had "Sharp shooters" who create trends that we follow. If you ever notice every time the same shooter gets the dice and rolls repeating 9's... then why in the world would you bet the 6/8 on that shooter.
Ever hear of that phrase "When you walk up to a poker table and can not spot the sucker, then you are the sucker"
In the case of craps, you "spot the DI's and bet with them on what they roll".
This is how I get my stats. the source is 15+ years at a live table.
I've given you the benefit of the doubt by saying things like "if you could" influence the dice even though dice control, setting, sharp shooting and such have pretty much been discounted by all but a few rabid believers who show no real proof of anything. I am still not saying that "it" is not possible but no one has proven, here on a forum about Vegas and math (and some other varied stuff), that they can influence, control, sharp shoot or do anything, outside of dice sliding (illegal) the dice.
I have tried to give you ideas on how to bet based on your perception of both your abilities and the shooting of random rollers, based on the math and your basic ideas of betting.
The one thing I won't tolerate in this conversation is the pejorative use of the word "Son" when addressing me. I respect that you've been playing craps for 15 years and that you are 8 years from retirement but there is no need for that.
OK!, i take it back, I take it back. I'm not saying I do not learn anything from this forum, because I do. This forum has saved me a ton of money and also a few members helping me has also made me extra money. I take in everything and enjoy the reads even though some are steering toward biting my head off.
:P
So are you an AP craps player?
I like the smoke free casino in canada, Fallsview casino, where many of the DI's hang out. That's the only casino that has proved itself to me for Firebet shooters. It's worth the 30 minute drive.Quote: endermikeCG, where do you tend to play?
Quote: RonCQuote: CrapsGeniousSon, I've been playing craps for more than 15 years. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to come up with stats through law of averages, trends, lucky random shooters.
Back in the day, we didn't have "dice controllers", "dice influencers". We had "Sharp shooters" who create trends that we follow. If you ever notice every time the same shooter gets the dice and rolls repeating 9's... then why in the world would you bet the 6/8 on that shooter.
Ever hear of that phrase "When you walk up to a poker table and can not spot the sucker, then you are the sucker"
In the case of craps, you "spot the DI's and bet with them on what they roll".
This is how I get my stats. the source is 15+ years at a live table.
I've given you the benefit of the doubt by saying things like "if you could" influence the dice even though dice control, setting, sharp shooting and such have pretty much been discounted by all but a few rabid believers who show no real proof of anything. I am still not saying that "it" is not possible but no one has proven, here on a forum about Vegas and math (and some other varied stuff), that they can influence, control, sharp shoot or do anything, outside of dice sliding (illegal) the dice.
I have tried to give you ideas on how to bet based on your perception of both your abilities and the shooting of random rollers, based on the math and your basic ideas of betting.
The one thing I won't tolerate in this conversation is the pejorative use of the word "Son" when addressing me. I respect that you've been playing craps for 15 years and that you are 8 years from retirement but there is no need for that.
sorry for still being a new member since christmas, but where does it say that this is a "Math" forum. I'm posting in "Dice Setting" I'm trying to figure out what math has to do with dice setting?
I'm getting the impression, what the wizard says, they follow. If the wizard says it can not be proven, then that's his point of view. I said this a couple times and i'll say it again in a more clear form of way:
"YOU HAVE TO PHYSICALLY BE AT A TABLE TO WATCH A DI SHOOT THE DICE TO PROVE IT TO YOURSELF"
The clapping and smiling faces along with pat on the back and hi 5's, along with requests to shoot the dice again, that's just not good enough to count as "Proof"
Just so we on the same page, a "DI" (Dice influencer) is "NOT" someone who calls a certain number and rolls it, "this is not physically possible".
However if DI is shooting the dice to make a number, chances are he/she will make that number before a 7.
"Just accept the fact that DI's exist, because they are on your side, not against you."
I am begining to wonder who you are, if you were called something other than the name you are
now using...Mad professor....nah that cant be it.....he made even more goofy statements than you
do about DI's....maybe you are that guy that used to have a show every week on the computer that
thought he was the best shooter he had ever seen......nah you cant even be him because he admits
now and then that he loses.
I give up.. maybe you are just you and think that we all beleive that you win every time your at the casino with
a DI and that every roll a DI has he or she will hit the point they want. I have no idea which DI's
you play with , I have spoken with or played with many of the real good ones in the country and i
never heard any of them say they always win or always hit their points.
One thing is for sure, when you have your classes this year teaching a way to throw that no other
DI in america has made work like that, i am for damn sure going to be there. I have always looked for
a way to win everytime and get every point.
I think we need to call it the Method-PLus..... i hope you dont charge $3500 because i lost last night
dicesetter
Quote: sodawaterI do not understand why the moderators here will suspend someone for "profanity" but will let at an obvious troll make hundreds of posts that waste everyone's time. Seems to me like the focus of moderation has lost the thread, so to speak.
This is a very interesting question.... Maybe I am being fooled.... but I think CG believes the things he writes.... I will try once again to meet up with CG as I have time next week and haven't been to Seneca in a few months....
So, CG.... you ready for a meet up with a forum member at your home casino? I would watch you roll them bones, you tell me what you are shooting for and I would report to the forum.... I am of course willing to bet you can't do what you claim, as an example, 20 7's out of 100 rolls...., but even if you don't want to bet I'd still use some of my leisure time to meet up.... You really have done a lot of talking/boasting/etc... Why not 'show off' to a forum member? Any day next week...
As near as I can tell, there's one person in this thread that's a DI - that's attempting to convince everyone else that DI and DC is impossible, because it's too difficult for anyone, other than himself or one of his closest associates, to learn, since it requires god like skills. Skills that only he and his close associates possess.
Am I correct?
-Keyser
Quote: dicesitterCrapsgenious
I am begining to wonder who you are, if you were called something other than the name you are
now using...Mad professor....nah that cant be it.....he made even more goofy statements than you
do about DI's....maybe you are that guy that used to have a show every week on the computer that
thought he was the best shooter he had ever seen......nah you cant even be him because he admits
now and then that he loses.
I give up.. maybe you are just you and think that we all beleive that you win every time your at the casino with
a DI and that every roll a DI has he or she will hit the point they want. I have no idea which DI's
you play with , I have spoken with or played with many of the real good ones in the country and i
never heard any of them say they always win or always hit their points.
One thing is for sure, when you have your classes this year teaching a way to throw that no other
DI in america has made work like that, i am for damn sure going to be there. I have always looked for
a way to win everytime and get every point.
I think we need to call it the Method-PLus..... i hope you dont charge $3500 because i lost last night
dicesetter
it's in the air. I didn't do to well either. I can gracefully say, yes put me up against the best you've seen and I will out play them in the "Who can roll more numbers and points game"
last night though was not so "hot" even though I made a few numbers I could not catch a two win hit on my hardway numbers. I rolled a few 3 points to the fire, but never got any last night.
I think that is a "losing" night for me to consider.
Quote: SOOPOOThis is a very interesting question.... Maybe I am being fooled.... but I think CG believes the things he writes.... I will try once again to meet up with CG as I have time next week and haven't been to Seneca in a few months....
So, CG.... you ready for a meet up with a forum member at your home casino? I would watch you roll them bones, you tell me what you are shooting for and I would report to the forum.... I am of course willing to bet you can't do what you claim, as an example, 20 7's out of 100 rolls...., but even if you don't want to bet I'd still use some of my leisure time to meet up.... You really have done a lot of talking/boasting/etc... Why not 'show off' to a forum member? Any day next week...
I never said I wouldn't meet up with you, we can meetup anytime, I just don't want to wager against members of the forum. I will be at the Canadian casino (Fallsview) this Saturday 3am and (Brantford) casino on Sunday at noon till 9pm.
I try to visit (Fallsview) most Saturday nights 3am to 8am. I prefer that time because I can roll the dice more. I shoot always left side of the stick man. My primary numbers are 6/8/9. If you want to know ahead of time on what to bet, You should also notice I am the only shooter who plays "Doey/Don't" when shooting the dice.
Quote: KeyserI think I now understand what's happening here.
As near as I can tell, there's one person in this thread that's a DI - that's attempting to convince everyone else that DI and DC is impossible, because it's too difficult for anyone, other than himself or one of his closest associates, to learn, since it requires god like skills. Skills that only he and his close associates possess.
Am I correct?
-Keyser
Ahh, Wrong answer.
I believe DI's are out there at the tables and I may not be a perfect shooter, but I make enough numbers and points to call myself an experienced shooter. at this point I call myself a "DI" when it comes to rolling a "7" I can almost call it as I make it, just not every roll but yes, I'd say on a good day 1:3 and on a fair day 1:5 on a bad day 1:6.
Reminds me of Fat Earl Magod. He always said he was a good enough shooter to lose his money in any poolroom there ever was.
Quote: Buzzard" but I make enough numbers and points to call myself an experienced shooter."
Reminds me of Fat Earl Magod. He always said he was a good enough shooter to lose his money in any poolroom there ever was.
As I asked RonC, give me a chance to prove it, I'm gonna work on getting a spy cam i can attach to my shirt to record rolls, or even an audio device to record the stick man calls during my rolls.
Quote: BuzzardRIGHT ! Yeah, a video will prove something. Get a forum witness !
There are a couple forum members that watch me play/shoot, but they don't say too much on here. I mentioned to many members I will be in Canada this saturday at Fallsview 3am-8am and also Brantford on sunday 12pm-9pm.
I can use some competitive shooters out there that like to challenge "highest rolls per session"
This sounds like a great idea however, to avoid cherry picking, if you want to show absolute proof of your supposed skills.Quote: CrapsGeniousAs I asked RonC, give me a chance to prove it, I'm gonna work on getting a spy cam i can attach to my shirt to record rolls, or even an audio device to record the stick man calls during my rolls.
You need to let us know PRIOR to recording: When where and for how long you will be shooting. Don't expect people to believe a random posted video after the fact. Anyone could just go record 10 sessions lose bad on 9 out of ten then have a monster session and post that one lucky winning session up. If you do that, and you get as many sevens as your claiming then we might have something.
Whats with the not betting forum members? Do you know how that looks( looks like you cant afford a side wager)? If we are foolish enough to put up our money, then take it. No ill will will be had, there have been lots of side bets on this forum and most people have been very gracious and things went smooth. People who put their money where their mouth is fail or succeed usually get a lot more respect.
We all believe you wont out any money on it because you know dam well you can do it. Your angle seems to be getting a free roll on getting lucky and doing well and then hoping someone will "tip" you and back up your next story. If you fail you will just claim you it was a joke/con and you succeeded winning some side wager you had about getting some sucker to "tip" you or get the most page views or some crap.
The person to which I was referring was Supperick.
Quote: AxelWolfThis sounds like a great idea however, to avoid cherry picking, if you want to show absolute proof of your supposed skills.
You need to let us know PRIOR to recording: When where and for how long you will be shooting. Don't expect people to believe a random posted video after the fact. Anyone could just go record 10 sessions lose bad on 9 out of ten then have a monster session and post that one lucky winning session up. If you do that, and you get as many sevens as your claiming then we might have something.
Whats with the not betting forum members? Do you know how that looks( looks like you cant afford a side wager)? If we are foolish enough to put up our money, then take it. No ill will will be had, there have been lots of side bets on this forum and most people have been very gracious and things went smooth. People who put their money where their mouth is fail or succeed usually get a lot more respect.
We all believe you wont out any money on it because you know dam well you can do it. Your angle seems to be getting a free roll on getting lucky and doing well and then hoping someone will "tip" you and back up your next story. If you fail you will just claim you it was a joke/con and you succeeded winning some side wager you had about getting some sucker to "tip" you or get the most page views or some crap.
I work a part time job, I play craps on weekends, I can't afford to make bets everywhere. I have approx $3k for my bank roll and I use that for hedging my firebets.
I can't be a "high roller" but I want to be.
It's far to risky to chance even setting up a spycam in my clothes. I can be banned for life and be red flagged. again, may not be worth it just to prove I can roll a "7" as silly as it sounds.
Quote: KeyserCrapsGenious,
The person to which I was referring was Supperick.
I butt heads with some of his posts, but I respect him for some of his reads, He may be a Good "DI" shooter but he doesn't brag like I do.
I'd wager on his rolls, because I know he will PSO on his rolls, but I trust I will show profit in the long haul from his rolls. Just like Bob 69.5 in canada. I bet those numbers steady when he rolls, because I know he rolls them much more than I can roll "7's" That guy is impressive to wager on, in 15 rolls, he will make at least 3 of each number 6,9 &5. I believe Superick can do the same.
Maybe not as good as myself, but I will challenge him if we meetup at one of the casino's.
Quote: CrapsGeniousI never said I wouldn't meet up with you, we can meetup anytime
Any 'regular' time during any weekday next week, I am basically free. I'll give you a bunch of choices.... US side... Seneca Niagara
Monday 8a - whenever
Tuesday 8a- 4p
Wednesday 10a- whenever
Thursday 8a- 4p
Friday 8a- whenever
I don't stay up too late so whenever probably means 10pm....
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I am begining to wonder who you are, if you were called something other than the name you are
now using...Mad professor....nah that cant be it.....he made even more goofy statements than you
do about DI's....maybe you are that guy that used to have a show every week on the computer that
thought he was the best shooter he had ever seen......nah you cant even be him because he admits
now and then that he loses.
The wonderful thing about the internet is you can be anybody you want to be, even a Crapsgenious!
There is no way of telling who someone is unless you met them! Then you can't even be sure if you met them in a casino setting!
So Mr. Crapsgenious could very well be the Madprofessor taking on one more different persona. It doesn't take much to disguise who you really are on the Internet!
This has been proven many times over here on this board when somebody gets banned they come back with a different handle!
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Quote: superrickQuote:dicesitter
I am begining to wonder who you are, if you were called something other than the name you are
now using...Mad professor....nah that cant be it.....he made even more goofy statements than you
do about DI's....maybe you are that guy that used to have a show every week on the computer that
thought he was the best shooter he had ever seen......nah you cant even be him because he admits
now and then that he loses.
The wonderful thing about the internet is you can be anybody you want to be, even a Crapsgenious!
There is no way of telling who someone is unless you met them! Then you can't even be sure if you met them in a casino setting!
So Mr. Crapsgenious could very well be the Madprofessor taking on one more different persona. It doesn't take much to disguise who you really are on the Internet!
This has been proven many times over here on this board when somebody gets banned they come back with a different handle!
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I can never be the "Mad Professor" I don't have money to throw away like he does, if he exists. Allthough when I hit them 6 number firebets, I do have an evil twin that likes to "let it ride" but then leaving the casino after a 5 or 6 point fire is what I most likely do.
Quote: CrapsGeniousThat guy is impressive to wager on, in 15 rolls, he will make at least 3 of each number 6,9 &5. I believe Superick can do the same.
Question please for CrapsGenious or anyone reading the thread: I'm not a craps player, but was my head supposed to explode at this point? The ability as described seems basically impossible.
Quote: gpac1377Question please for CrapsGenious or anyone reading the thread: I'm not a craps player, but was my head supposed to explode at this point? The ability as described seems basically impossible.
yup, you're not a craps player sir.
Quote: CrapsGeniousyup, you're not a craps player sir.
Indeed, but (if my math is correct) you're talking about a sub-40% event achieved better than 60% of the time. That's clearly not realistic on a sustained basis in an actual casino.
IMO :)
