Ahigh
October 19th, 2013 at 9:09:03 PM
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Quote: AxelWolf
No matter how much you try to hide or deny it, it is so obvious you have some type of dislike for Ahigh. Are you really hurt he didn't say hi to you at Caesars?
Ask Ahigh if he said hello to me. He didn't. Ask him why. Then figure out who doesn't like who.
October 19th, 2013 at 9:17:25 PM
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No matter how much you try to hide or deny it, it is so obvious you have some type of dislike for Ahigh.
Is this the case? If so, I understand, some people just rub me the wrong way. A few people on this site no absolutely nothing about gambling or math, yet they have thousands of posts.
Is this the case? If so, I understand, some people just rub me the wrong way. A few people on this site no absolutely nothing about gambling or math, yet they have thousands of posts.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 19th, 2013 at 9:47:42 PM
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Ya lets not rehash all of that. He has answered that question repeatedly and it looks like he is sticking to his story. He had his reasons i'm sure. You seem overly obsessed with that situation. I can understand why he May not like you, certainly at this point, your his toughest critic by far. Your a smart guy, you seem to be quite clever when it comes to online debate. You do present some logical questions occasionally, however most of the time your just trying to set him off with the same few questions he cant really answer. " just show me one video of a controlled shot" DON'T WE ALL WANT THAT?Quote: AlanMendelsonAsk Ahigh if he said hello to me. He didn't. Ask him why. Then figure out who doesn't like who.
Ahigh is trying to prove something that's not generally accepted, add that to your personal vendetta against him, toss in a few more harsh critics. TIC TIC BOOM
I'm quite sure he has made it clear he dose not like you. I have a feeling he prays every night you don't wake up that day.
Just admit you don't like him and you get some personal enjoyment out of harassing him, you love to see him squirm, then get pissed, then explode.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 19th, 2013 at 9:49:59 PM
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Hold it Axel. Why are you trying to turn this into a personal issue? It isn't and has never been with the exception of Ahigh claiming that I was after his wife.
The only issue now is this: I asked Ahigh what the purpose of this "project" is and he is yet to give a straight answer. He could easily say it's to create a video game and that would be the end of it.
So perhaps you can tell me what this project is all about?
Or don't you know either?
The only issue now is this: I asked Ahigh what the purpose of this "project" is and he is yet to give a straight answer. He could easily say it's to create a video game and that would be the end of it.
So perhaps you can tell me what this project is all about?
Or don't you know either?
October 19th, 2013 at 10:05:44 PM
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For one, I believe he would like to have an easy way to record his throws. I understand people have suggested easier ways to do so. When has Ahigh ever done it the easy way? That dose not seem to be his style.Quote: AlanMendelsonHold it Axel. Why are you trying to turn this into a personal issue? It isn't and has never been with ghe exception of Ahigh claiming that I was after his wife.
The only issue know is this: I asked Ahigh what the purpose of this "project" is and he is yet to give a straight answer. He could easily say it's to create a video game and that would be the end of it.
So perhaps you can tell me what this proect is all about?
Or don't you know either?
2. I think he is trying to make a 3D computer model in order to see if there is any consistency with his shot. How this works I don't know
I don't believe he will find anything to help him beat craps. IT may help him understand what NOT to do.
the way YOU described a perfect DI shot previously, Is what, I believe, is needed in order to gain and advantage. If there is one to be had. In short, he throws the dice to high, to hard and from to far away. IMO
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 19th, 2013 at 11:02:33 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonthe slow easy toss to the end of the come box,
the dice travel close together appearing as mirror images of each other,
the soft bounce
the slow easy roll to the center (flat part) of the back wall rolling to under the first row of alligator bumps
the dice gently kissing or ever so slightly bouncing a small amount off the back wall
THAT is the only way to have any influence on the dice.
This where you are wrong Alan. Ahigh made a clear example here.
Quote: AhighHere's an example of a dice roll that's not random: two dice are thrown, the first one resolves to a six on the felt and the second one pops up and hits a player on the arm. The player already saw the six die on the felt and does not flinch. The second die bounces off the players arm who did not flinch, and the roll is called winner ten.
Absolutely nothing was done, but it is lack of action on part of the person who chose not to move that made the throw an advantaged throw. If the resolved face had read four, three, two, or ace, the player could have moved and caught the dice that went off the table.
That's just one example of a two-man advantaged throw. There are others that are not slides.
You guys are thinking WAY inside the box.
That's pretty close to cheating but so what. For an example of an unrandom shot, it works.
It's hard for me to believe you guys haven't spoke/wrote about any real advantage play at the craps table yet.
Although I don't believe Ahigh's current shot has any advantage whatsoever I can't completely shoot his shot down. His toys, cameras, and gizmos are seriously on the right path to advantage play in craps. I truly believe he will find an advantage shot for himself eventually though. Honestly I already have an advantage shot when I play craps, which is almost never nowadays. I don't share much about it nor do I care that much about it. There's so much more in the AP world that it is just not worth my time at this point.
Seriously, my 2 cents here, Ahigh- continue to just disregard AlanMendelson's posts. You've tried to help him; He's too hard headed to believe there's advantage shots that don't confine to his parameters. Mickey Crimm said a few weeks ago to put your money where your mouth is, so to speak. I think he said that out of the ongoing frustration of reading Ahigh, Alan, Dicesitter and whoever I'm forgetting's posts about advantage craps shots. I read all of the posts everyday and can agree that it is frustrating to read the circle arguments. But I disagree with anybody putting money on the shots I've read/seen that you guys shoot. Drunk rant over. Carry on.
$1700, 18, 19, 1920, 40, 60,... :/ Thx 'Do it again'. I'll try
October 19th, 2013 at 11:12:38 PM
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I respect Mickey a great deal and he hit the nail on the head. I am not about to put my own money behind my own shot and that speaks volumes about my confidence in my throw. I would much rather buy computer equipment and stuff that furthers my career than risk literally flushing it down the toilet by making over-sized bets before I am ready for that.
All the other guys who say that they have the greatest shot or even a better shot than me: I don't see them putting big money behind it. All the big money plays I generally see look just like gambles to me out there on any given day any given place, etc.
I may just stop gambling completely and just sit here and shoot dice on camera for months with no money behind it just to see what happens. Who knows?!
All the other guys who say that they have the greatest shot or even a better shot than me: I don't see them putting big money behind it. All the big money plays I generally see look just like gambles to me out there on any given day any given place, etc.
I may just stop gambling completely and just sit here and shoot dice on camera for months with no money behind it just to see what happens. Who knows?!
aahigh.com
October 19th, 2013 at 11:24:34 PM
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Excellent. And well spoken. I totally agree.
Edit: Ahigh-I don't think it needs to be said but whatever here goes: Don't let all the AlanM, Zcore, etc. get you down. The path to enlightenment is through learning as much you can. You are on that path.
Edit: Ahigh-I don't think it needs to be said but whatever here goes: Don't let all the AlanM, Zcore, etc. get you down. The path to enlightenment is through learning as much you can. You are on that path.
$1700, 18, 19, 1920, 40, 60,... :/ Thx 'Do it again'. I'll try
October 20th, 2013 at 12:37:24 AM
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I just ordered my final BlackMagic card for the DSLR still camera with the sound triggered flash. That should finalize all that I want to get in there for recording throws. That will give me 5 inputs (I'm at 4 right now).
It has been really stressful writing code at home with everything else going on around me. My home is not an ideal programming environment with kids, pets, and all the things going on around here on the weekend.
The EXACT position on initial touchdown of the first die (or dice if they both hit at the same time) is what I get out of this. And it's actually one of the most important time-normalized capture points to get as all the other bounces truly depend on the details of the first hit of the first die.
It may be a good idea to start the 3d capture software off that single still frame first. Because knowing exactly where I landed and plotting out the landing positions and orientations is something that I have 100% control over with enough dexterity. If I screw that up, I can't blame anything but my actual shot. So testing skill using this image is a good place to start in training.
It has been really stressful writing code at home with everything else going on around me. My home is not an ideal programming environment with kids, pets, and all the things going on around here on the weekend.
The EXACT position on initial touchdown of the first die (or dice if they both hit at the same time) is what I get out of this. And it's actually one of the most important time-normalized capture points to get as all the other bounces truly depend on the details of the first hit of the first die.
It may be a good idea to start the 3d capture software off that single still frame first. Because knowing exactly where I landed and plotting out the landing positions and orientations is something that I have 100% control over with enough dexterity. If I screw that up, I can't blame anything but my actual shot. So testing skill using this image is a good place to start in training.
aahigh.com
October 20th, 2013 at 6:49:57 AM
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Just waking up and realizing that the flash without the DSLR is all that I need. Two cameras already have full frame exposure, and the flash will show the frame of the initial die touch point on those cameras. A DSLR is actually unnecessary. But I can still hook up a fifth camera. I will hook up the sound triggered flash and try it out. The GoPro camera should give the best result on that. Just one of those kind of things I needed to sleep on is all.
Part of my goal is to be able to compare my initial touch points in a series of image files.
Part of my goal is to be able to compare my initial touch points in a series of image files.
aahigh.com
October 20th, 2013 at 7:10:54 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfgoodshooter.com: It's a great website name for a craps site ... I would think that domain name has value.
Renaming it "bullshooter.com" would not only have value, it would be much more accurate.
But hey, this is America, we are all free to throw as much money into our personal delusions as we wish.
"What, me worry?"
October 20th, 2013 at 7:12:07 AM
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Quote: MrVRenaming it "bullshooter.com" would not only have value, it would be much more accurate.
But hey, this is America, we are all free to throw as much money into our personal delusions as we wish.
Don't forget, I've seen you play at craps. Stop projecting. All of my wins and losses are posted on my forum, and that's no bull.
If I were to describe your craps play, I would call it chicken betting with no shot.
aahigh.com
October 20th, 2013 at 7:14:31 AM
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Quote: Ahigh
If I were to describe your craps play, I would call it chicken betting with no shot.
Fair enough.
I have no shot, but that is to be expected: nobody else does, either.
As for being "chicken:" typically if I play and am not winning, I soon walk.
That is how it went that session at WoVCon; as I recall, you posted that you continued to play and continued to lose after I left.
Don't forget, I've seen you play too, Mr. HIGHtower, while standing next to you at Casino Royale and from perusing a few of your youtube videos.
Get over yourself, you're no better at the game than anybody else, including me.
The fact that you devote time, thought and money in service of your conceit is your choice, but it is probative of nothing of real value.
How Shakespearean!
"Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more."
"What, me worry?"
October 20th, 2013 at 7:17:03 AM
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Quote: AhighDon't forget, I've seen you play at craps. Stop projecting. All of my wins and losses are posted on my forum, and that's no bull.
If I were to describe your craps play, I would call it chicken betting with no shot.
Why do you insist on pushing all of this on us here when you have your own forum specializing on this very subject?
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
October 20th, 2013 at 7:18:26 AM
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Quote: Zcore13Why do you insist on pushing all of this on us here when you have your own forum specializing on this very subject?
Why do you post on craps topics when you don't report to play craps nor do you have a craps table at your casino? How many times per year do you even see a real craps table?
As far as "pushing" I only read craps topics, in general. Maybe you should be equally selective about what you read.
aahigh.com
October 20th, 2013 at 7:23:23 AM
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Quote: AhighWhy do you post on craps topics when you don't report to play craps nor do you have a craps table at your casino? How many times per year do you even see a real craps table?
I don't have to report things and talk about myself all the time for something to be true. I play craps when in Laughlin and Las Vegas.
I guess I just answered my own question. You love the attention and the handful of active users on your site doesn't do it for you.
EDIT - As only you do, you added content to your post after posting. So to answer your question... 3 or 4 times a year.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
October 20th, 2013 at 7:31:27 AM
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Enough
I think this nonsense with Ahigh has gone about far enough.
For the record i dont dislike the guy, i dont know him. All i know is
from the time i got on here and posted what happened at the casino
or my practice data, he has called me a liar.
Now he couches this some what by saying, it was possible that is what
what happened but very unlikely.. ( i like that one)
When a person posts what happpened at a casino, good or bad or practice
it is interesting, not bragging, any DI has had his or her butt kicked, over and over.
On another site efforts and results are posted all the time.. I have never
seen any other player call another a liar in 5 years on there. I was really surprised
that ahigh, or another associated with him would do it.
Now as far as ahigh's software.... i think it is great, i would love to have a set up or
program like that. i sure as hell dont have the talent to do that. But i also dont think
it will help at all unless you develope a repeatable toss. Recording a bad throw, whether it
is Ahighs or mine hundreds of times wont make you a dime.
So in the end, i dont hate the guy, i dont question his ability, i dont question his
efforts, i just dont care. I gave him enough chances to be civil.
dicesetter
I think this nonsense with Ahigh has gone about far enough.
For the record i dont dislike the guy, i dont know him. All i know is
from the time i got on here and posted what happened at the casino
or my practice data, he has called me a liar.
Now he couches this some what by saying, it was possible that is what
what happened but very unlikely.. ( i like that one)
When a person posts what happpened at a casino, good or bad or practice
it is interesting, not bragging, any DI has had his or her butt kicked, over and over.
On another site efforts and results are posted all the time.. I have never
seen any other player call another a liar in 5 years on there. I was really surprised
that ahigh, or another associated with him would do it.
Now as far as ahigh's software.... i think it is great, i would love to have a set up or
program like that. i sure as hell dont have the talent to do that. But i also dont think
it will help at all unless you develope a repeatable toss. Recording a bad throw, whether it
is Ahighs or mine hundreds of times wont make you a dime.
So in the end, i dont hate the guy, i dont question his ability, i dont question his
efforts, i just dont care. I gave him enough chances to be civil.
dicesetter
October 20th, 2013 at 7:33:54 AM
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If such a question is an expression of the consensus, then it is not personal.Quote: AxelWolfYou do present some logical questions occasionally, however most of the time your just trying to set him off with the same few questions he cant really answer. " just show me one video of a controlled shot" DON'T WE ALL WANT THAT?
That is almost an oxymoron. What Ahigh is presumably trying to do is not toss the dice randomly. There is not much reason to expect that tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of the highest technology will help with that.Quote: AxelWolf2. I think he is trying to make a 3D computer model in order to see if there is any consistency with his shot. How this works I don't know. I don't believe he will find anything to help him beat craps. IT may help him understand what NOT to do.
October 20th, 2013 at 8:11:40 AM
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Quote: MoosetonHonestly I already have an advantage shot when I play craps, which is almost never nowadays. I don't share much about it nor do I care that much about it.
What's your edge with your AP shot?
And assuming you use fair dice, is it a percentage shot that relies on keeping one axis steady, is it a kill shot that relies on keeping one face upward, does it rely on correlation between both dice, or does it work in some other way?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
October 20th, 2013 at 9:57:50 AM
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I won't be adding anything else to this thread. My shot will remain completely private. Sorry, I know that's a total teaser but whatever. I'm stingy.
$1700, 18, 19, 1920, 40, 60,... :/ Thx 'Do it again'. I'll try
October 20th, 2013 at 10:44:49 AM
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Quote: MoosetonI won't be adding anything else to this thread. My shot will remain completely private. Sorry, I know that's a total teaser but whatever. I'm stingy.
Fair enough, but I think you'll understand any healthy skepticism. Even if you only had a +0.5% edge, vs. say a +3.5% edge on hole carding or what not, the high limits in craps plus the wide variety of bets means you can both increase your wager and minimize variance so your expected hourly win is greater with lower risk of ruin. It doesn't matter how good the +EV is in percentage terms, what matters is your net win.
In short, if you had a +EV throw in dice that you could get away with (as opposed to a slide or something else you could only use infrequently), it would be a great AP opportunity. Perhaps you don't know how to bet properly given the parameters of your shot, or perhaps you haven't actually quantified the EV on your shot and you only think it's an advantage shot. But the fact that you're not using it is interesting.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
October 20th, 2013 at 12:27:51 PM
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Quote: Zcore13I don't have to report things and talk about myself all the time for something to be true.
You do however apparently like to make obvious yet meaningless statements such as this.
Quote: Zcore13I play craps when in Laughlin and Las Vegas.
I've been the Laughlin once with Super Rick. What an interesting place to play craps. They had the absolute worst group of craps tables (meaning the physical condition was horrific) I have ever seen in terms of quality. I wouldn't be attempting any advantage play there for sure. But not a bad place to gamble.
Quote: Zcore13I guess I just answered my own question. You love the attention and the handful of active users on your site doesn't do it for you.
Look: I wouldn't have my own website if I hadn't gotten such a rash of crap from people on this website who have very limited abilities to consider possibilities beyond "advantage play craps is not possible" and "it's a negative expectation game." This website is geared for the beginner craps player. I can appreciate that. Most questions about craps on this website are about betting systems and basic questions about which bets are best in the game.
I am not offended by attention. I am not offended by money. I am offended by comments in posts from folks who speak beyond their competency level, especially when said comments are directed at criticizing me. Bring some actual food to the table next time you post instead of just talking trash and messing up everyone else's plates.
Your posts about craps are very vapid on content outside of criticizing me.
Just hearing the information that you actually played and where seems to represent about 30% or more of what I know about you and your history with craps.
aahigh.com
October 20th, 2013 at 12:53:40 PM
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So when I met AxelWolf in the casino, he had a really good idea: let you choose which shots you think are good shots and which shots you think are random to cull out the random shots for establishing what a potential advantage might be more quickly.
The trick is to not allow yourself to consider the outcome when deciding which shots to cull out.
I don't know a foolproof way of doing this, but one thing that would make it harder would be to have the computer instruct you which set to use before you throw the dice. The set you would use would be randomly generated so that you couldn't automatically just know from the outcome if the result was good or bad.
Now for my shot, I could look at what is on the top and know that if I get what's on the top, I consider that a good roll, so I could still cheat if my brain was thinking I had a good shot from looking at the set.
But if you just used whatever set happened to be there when you shot and took a photo of the set without looking before you shot that could work.
And the benefit would be that you wouldn't have to spend any time at all setting the dice. You would just have to make a conscious effort not to look at the set before throwing just hit a button to have the set arrangement recorded by the computer without looking and just decide if you thought the throw was a good throw or not based on how it bounced.
The trick is to not allow yourself to consider the outcome when deciding which shots to cull out.
I don't know a foolproof way of doing this, but one thing that would make it harder would be to have the computer instruct you which set to use before you throw the dice. The set you would use would be randomly generated so that you couldn't automatically just know from the outcome if the result was good or bad.
Now for my shot, I could look at what is on the top and know that if I get what's on the top, I consider that a good roll, so I could still cheat if my brain was thinking I had a good shot from looking at the set.
But if you just used whatever set happened to be there when you shot and took a photo of the set without looking before you shot that could work.
And the benefit would be that you wouldn't have to spend any time at all setting the dice. You would just have to make a conscious effort not to look at the set before throwing just hit a button to have the set arrangement recorded by the computer without looking and just decide if you thought the throw was a good throw or not based on how it bounced.
aahigh.com
October 20th, 2013 at 1:05:18 PM
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IMO that would be striving for perfection before knowing if it's possible.
I'd say you need literally thousands of shots with the same set. Certainly you could establish a reject criteria, but it needs to be objective, not subjective. FREX if the dice land more than 'x' distance apart, and/or one of them ends up more than 'y' distance from the other, or they collide after landing...
Then with all the shots that are left, you measure if they differ enough from a random distribution to be proven to be non-random.
We already all know what the random distribution is.
I'd say you need literally thousands of shots with the same set. Certainly you could establish a reject criteria, but it needs to be objective, not subjective. FREX if the dice land more than 'x' distance apart, and/or one of them ends up more than 'y' distance from the other, or they collide after landing...
Then with all the shots that are left, you measure if they differ enough from a random distribution to be proven to be non-random.
We already all know what the random distribution is.
October 20th, 2013 at 2:38:54 PM
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Quote: AhighI am offended by comments in posts from folks who speak beyond their competency level, especially when said comments are directed at criticizing me. Bring some actual food to the table next time you post instead of just talking trash and messing up everyone else's plates.
The fact is, many of us disagree completely and fundamentally with the entire concept of dice control.
You yourself are ambivalent: sometimes in your posts you recognize you are not in fact controlling the dice; other times you consider yourself an AP.
Which is it?
Let me tell you: you're just a mere mortal, like the rest of us.
I am very well qualified to tell you that, too, as I recognize my mortality and have no delusions of grandeur.
Just belly up to the rail, bet, then roll dem bones.
Luck happens.
"What, me worry?"
October 20th, 2013 at 10:25:40 PM
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Quote: AhighSo when I met AxelWolf in the casino, he had a really good idea: let you choose which shots you think are good shots and which shots you think are random to cull out the random shots for establishing what a potential advantage might be more quickly.
The trick is to not allow yourself to consider the outcome when deciding which shots to cull out.
Well, this is an interesting concept: you can pick and choose which of your "at bats" you want to count in your statistics. Hmmm... is there any sport that allows this? Is there any business that can decide which weekly or monthly stats they can include in shareholder reports?
I recall one other person in recent memory who decided to pick and choose what to report -- he was Bernie Madoff.
October 20th, 2013 at 10:40:05 PM
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Quote: AhighLook: I wouldn't have my own website if I hadn't gotten such a rash of crap from people on this website who have very limited abilities to consider possibilities beyond "advantage play craps is not possible" and "it's a negative expectation game."
Here's where we have to be careful -- all of us. Yes, you too, Ahigh. We need some definitions. Some will say -- and they are correct -- that you cannot be an advantage player at a negative expectation game. Blackjack is basically a negative expectation game until the "count" changes and then for a brief period of time you can have an advantage and be an advantage player. In craps, the "count" never changes. While you can argue all you want that dice influencing and dice control can give you an advantage NO ONE HAS PROVEN it. Not even you, Ahigh.
In fact, Ahigh, you used to be a researcher about dice control --whether it is possible or not. But now are you a researcher or just trying to prove your own claims and your own ability? I don't know. There have been too many conflicting statements made by you that most of us can't keep track anymore.
In fact, you can do some advantageous things such as betting properly, and using bankroll management, and checking for "signature numbers" on players who think or attempt dice influencing and dice control, and using comps and bonuses from casinos. But you will never be a true "advantage player in craps" because by the strict definition it is impossible.
Quote: AhighI am offended by comments in posts from folks who speak beyond their competency level, especially when said comments are directed at criticizing me.
He who lives in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
October 20th, 2013 at 11:10:30 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonyou cannot be an advantage player
Yes I can! I can also selectively copy just part of your message and try to make you look like you are saying something that you are not.
Context matters. Why not respond to the whole message instead of just the parts that you can isolate out of context and attack that.
Your posts are super weak. The weak sauce.
aahigh.com
October 20th, 2013 at 11:13:49 PM
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Here's a definition for you:
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October 20th, 2013 at 11:17:12 PM
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How about we stay on the topic of "software" and techniques to improve the software, and discussions related to that? Would that be possible?
Tonight I hooked up my sound-based flash, and I fiddled with the settings on my cameras. The lighting and exposure times are particularly tricky to deal with.
One realization that I had is that I need another camcorder that has a manual exposure time control. Two of my camcorders are the under $500 variety from Sony which make things easier for novices, but don't offer a manual dial for changing the exposure time.
I need one camera to do 1/1000th second exposure and another to do 1/60th. Well the cheaper camera has to do the slower shutter because it's not sensitive enough to light to dial the exposure down and get a clear image of the dice.
But it is too sensitive (guessing no aperture control) to be able to keep a full 1/60th of a second exposure.
So I really need two cameras that are in the $800 and up price range that have more manual controls.
I am currently thinking of the Sony HDR-PJ650V. It's about $1,100. Basically when the sound-triggered flash goes off, the camera is using a rolling shutter, and there are two frames that show the instantaneous shutter at 1/60th of a second exposure. But with the cheap camera, sometimes the flash is caught, and sometimes it's not because it's usually using like a 1/120th second or 1/240th of a second exposure time in order to get the right light sensitivity because it's a cheaper camera.
So after thinking about all of this, though, I realize that when I get my tracking algorithm done, I can just DRAW with virtual dice where the touch-down points are with the proper orientation.
So I'm on the fence about needing another camcorder. And instead thinking that when I get the capture stuff working, I won't be needing the extra camcorder. But I really kinda do need it to get a cleaner full 1/60th of a second exposure so I can see a blurred representation of exactly where the die went for that frame.
That's my mental state right now, justifying ANOTHER $1,000 camera.
I will first go through my other cameras to see if I can figure something out. My Casio doesn't do real-time HDMI (only playback) .. and the DSLR doesn't do 720p60 HDMI output (only 1080i60) so that makes those pretty unworkable. I just already have so many cameras, it's amazing I need another one.
One option might be to reduce the lighting to get a longer exposure on the cheaper camera and move from 1/1500th of a second on the more expensive camera to 1/1000 of a second and see if that works.
Tonight I hooked up my sound-based flash, and I fiddled with the settings on my cameras. The lighting and exposure times are particularly tricky to deal with.
One realization that I had is that I need another camcorder that has a manual exposure time control. Two of my camcorders are the under $500 variety from Sony which make things easier for novices, but don't offer a manual dial for changing the exposure time.
I need one camera to do 1/1000th second exposure and another to do 1/60th. Well the cheaper camera has to do the slower shutter because it's not sensitive enough to light to dial the exposure down and get a clear image of the dice.
But it is too sensitive (guessing no aperture control) to be able to keep a full 1/60th of a second exposure.
So I really need two cameras that are in the $800 and up price range that have more manual controls.
I am currently thinking of the Sony HDR-PJ650V. It's about $1,100. Basically when the sound-triggered flash goes off, the camera is using a rolling shutter, and there are two frames that show the instantaneous shutter at 1/60th of a second exposure. But with the cheap camera, sometimes the flash is caught, and sometimes it's not because it's usually using like a 1/120th second or 1/240th of a second exposure time in order to get the right light sensitivity because it's a cheaper camera.
So after thinking about all of this, though, I realize that when I get my tracking algorithm done, I can just DRAW with virtual dice where the touch-down points are with the proper orientation.
So I'm on the fence about needing another camcorder. And instead thinking that when I get the capture stuff working, I won't be needing the extra camcorder. But I really kinda do need it to get a cleaner full 1/60th of a second exposure so I can see a blurred representation of exactly where the die went for that frame.
That's my mental state right now, justifying ANOTHER $1,000 camera.
I will first go through my other cameras to see if I can figure something out. My Casio doesn't do real-time HDMI (only playback) .. and the DSLR doesn't do 720p60 HDMI output (only 1080i60) so that makes those pretty unworkable. I just already have so many cameras, it's amazing I need another one.
One option might be to reduce the lighting to get a longer exposure on the cheaper camera and move from 1/1500th of a second on the more expensive camera to 1/1000 of a second and see if that works.
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October 20th, 2013 at 11:32:18 PM
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I don't know if DI is still possible, I do think most DIs including GT and people like the dominator are full of SHT. I do know some people that had tons of recorded data that showed they had a significant edge, with certain sets and a toss, similar to how Alan describes. They didn't slow down games, harass players or dealers. still They were banned from many casinos. They made a significant amount of money. (they were not selling anything and didn't want anyone to know) table conditions changed, Heat was applied. The time and effort was not worth it because other AP opportunities were worth far more. I believe they wont argue the fact that maybe they did just get lucky. The famous slow motion roll defiantly put doubt in peoples minds.
What I said on here before and to Ahigh, regarding calling out when you know your throw is good VS knowing its not good. Right when the dice leave your hand or its in the air. Its simple in my mind (Im not sure if i can explain it via written text). If you know before the dice hit the table, that its a good shot, then your S numbers should match that. If it dose then the numbers should be so correlated that you would know very quickly if you even had the ability to influence the dice.
this would defiantly eliminate DIs from saying, "I was off tonight or bad toss after the fact" during some challenge, since you would only be counting ones he felt were good, then he would have no excuses.
make a challenge where they can call it a good or bad toss in the air. then the DI should be willing to give you better odds
I realize you cant make bets after the fact on a table.
What I said on here before and to Ahigh, regarding calling out when you know your throw is good VS knowing its not good. Right when the dice leave your hand or its in the air. Its simple in my mind (Im not sure if i can explain it via written text). If you know before the dice hit the table, that its a good shot, then your S numbers should match that. If it dose then the numbers should be so correlated that you would know very quickly if you even had the ability to influence the dice.
this would defiantly eliminate DIs from saying, "I was off tonight or bad toss after the fact" during some challenge, since you would only be counting ones he felt were good, then he would have no excuses.
make a challenge where they can call it a good or bad toss in the air. then the DI should be willing to give you better odds
I realize you cant make bets after the fact on a table.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 20th, 2013 at 11:34:31 PM
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Quote: AhighHow about we stay on the topic of "software" and techniques to improve the software, and discussions related to that? Would that be possible?
Sure. Let me help you out. Go here since this is beyond the scope of craps: http://forums.photographyreview.com/forum.php?s=1cddecb36d36b7696ddff1d48a1aed2f
One more suggestion: Samy's Camera in Hollywood (main store) and there is second, smaller location in Culver City. Samy's supplies hardware and software to most of the major producers in LA. They have a big department dealing with computer editing and software and every camera and microphone you could imagine. You can rent as well as buy. http://www.samys.com/
Tell them you produce an Internet TV show and you might be eligible for the California discount sales tax rate for producers. You save half the sales tax or more depending what you are purchasing. If you have a problem, call me. You have my number.
October 21st, 2013 at 7:49:20 AM
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True. But the luck/variance does. Yielding a real advantage to those who can discern the start of a run and, probably even more importantly, the end of a run.Quote: AlanMendelsonIn craps, the "count" never changes.
October 21st, 2013 at 7:56:34 AM
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Quote: SanchoPanzaTrue. But the luck/variance does. Yielding a real advantage to those who can discern the start of a run and, probably even more importantly, the end of a run.
The results may be variable, but their independence is not. Nothing about runs or streaks in dice games is causal or interdependent. It is a fool's errand to even attempt to discern when a streak may start or stop. If advantage play is possible in dice, it will be due to a change in the individual probability distribution for a single dice roll -- not due to a change in the impact of one dice roll on the subsequent one.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
October 21st, 2013 at 8:01:56 AM
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Is that joke? If not please explain.Quote: SanchoPanzaTrue. But the luck/variance does. Yielding a real advantage to those who can discern the start of a run and, probably even more importantly, the end of a run.
I guess that statement would hold true, if only we had a psychic "those who can discern"
I always love how psychics cant use their ability to make money gambling or anything. They can only make money charging you a fee.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 21st, 2013 at 8:18:16 AM
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The table results occur in streaks (of differing lengths). Players experience that just as they also experience runs in individual luck -- up and down. The key is to know when a significant streak is starting and stopping. That would truly be an advantage player.Quote: AxelWolfIs that joke? If not please explain. I guess that statement would hold true, if only we had a psychic "those who can discern." I always love how psychics cant use their ability to make money gambling or anything. They can only make money charging you a fee.
October 21st, 2013 at 8:33:04 AM
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Yes it would, if possible, are you claiming its possible? Am i missing something?Quote: SanchoPanzaThe table results occur in streaks (of differing lengths). Players experience that just as they also experience runs in individual luck -- up and down. The key is to know when a significant streak is starting and stopping. That would truly be an advantage player.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 21st, 2013 at 8:36:30 AM
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SanchoPanza... meet..... gr8player and gr8Varmenti
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 21st, 2013 at 8:58:28 AM
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this is all true.
If you cant roll the dice in some manner to get more of a certain number or numbers
than random indicates, you cant win.
There is no betting system that will do it.
That is why i keep track of my rolls in a casino. If i dont have an advantage
on a certain table, i dont play there. Your practice table is far different than
a casino. If you have an 8 srr at home and 6 at the casino you are playing
a random game and kidding yourself each time you bet more thinking you
have an advantage.
dicesetter
If you cant roll the dice in some manner to get more of a certain number or numbers
than random indicates, you cant win.
There is no betting system that will do it.
That is why i keep track of my rolls in a casino. If i dont have an advantage
on a certain table, i dont play there. Your practice table is far different than
a casino. If you have an 8 srr at home and 6 at the casino you are playing
a random game and kidding yourself each time you bet more thinking you
have an advantage.
dicesetter
October 21st, 2013 at 9:16:01 AM
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Anyone who thinks he has an edge must conduct a series of expirments to prove his point. For example, shot in craps must be tested in different casinos, mornings and nights, crowded cond. , unfriendly crew, etc.Home results can mislead you. Stress environment can turn things 180 degrees.
October 21st, 2013 at 9:18:54 AM
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this is obvious.....but you have to start somewhere...if you cant do it at home, why try in a casino?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 21st, 2013 at 9:25:52 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfthis is obvious.....but you have to start somewhere...if you cant do it at home, why try in a casino?
I will be the first to admit this: pretending that you are good is a whole lot of the fun of the game. When a random first time player has a lucky roll and they barely know how to throw the dice, people smile, but they know that this is just luck.
The same sort of luck from someone who has a really pretty looking shot that lands really nice and doesn't bounce much will elicit responses from the crowd about what a great shooter this person is, and the game can result in your enjoying the process of rolling the dice from the feedback you get from others who are winning from your rolls.
There is plenty of reason to do attempts at controlled shooting even if it's impossible, most people who are actually placing bets on the felt want to attribute their wins to something just like they want to attribute their losses to something. If people are associating winning with the method in which you throw the dice, that's something that can make the game more fun. And that's a good enough reason to learn to throw the dice in a specific way .. just for style in order to make the game more entertaining for yourself and others.
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October 21st, 2013 at 9:34:44 AM
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I find it fun when I'm putting money in my pockets. If i want fun I will go ride go carts or shoot pool. Something I actually have some control over.Quote: AhighI will be the first to admit this: pretending that you are good is a whole lot of the fun of the game. When a random first time player has a lucky roll and they barely know how to throw the dice, people smile, but they know that this is just luck.
The same sort of luck from someone who has a really pretty looking shot that lands really nice and doesn't bounce much will elicit responses from the crowd about what a great shooter this person is, and the game can result in your enjoying the process of rolling the dice from the feedback you get from others who are winning from your rolls.
There is plenty of reason to do attempts at controlled shooting even if it's impossible, most people who are actually placing bets on the felt want to attribute their wins to something just like they want to attribute their losses to something. If people are associating winning with the method in which you throw the dice, that's something that can make the game more fun. And that's a good enough reason to learn to throw the dice in a specific way .. just for style in order to make the game more entertaining for yourself and others.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 21st, 2013 at 9:44:43 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfI find it fun when I'm putting money in my pockets. If i want fun I will go ride go carts or shoot pool. Something I actually have some control over.
That's a little bit rude, Axel. Listen, I will admit that I have a very entertaining lifestyle and also that I absolutely do not have money problems. When money is being put in my pockets it makes me feel secure. But it's usually the result of busting my butt solving very difficult technical problems on the computer. It's like working puzzles, and it's fun too.
But I'm a little detached from the positive variance in my career. For me, that's like when my company is doing so well that I don't get laid off. When you make video games, these game companies are taking the big risks, and I have been let go more than one time when it had nothing to do with me. Working in Vegas in the industry is a little more stable than working on video games because gamblers are a more steady stream of income.
I can't even imagine trying to be a professional gambler. I would absolutely be scraping by and barely making ends meet for myself or maybe me and one other person. But I have a ton of financial commitments that create a situation where fun for me isn't tied to making money at all. My luck is that I was able to get a great job that is very stable relative to other jobs that I have had in the past and that I like a great deal. And I'm happy with it being that way.
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October 21st, 2013 at 10:08:44 AM
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I only meant, I really only like gambling when I know i have an edge and i'm making money, except for the occasional FKing around.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 21st, 2013 at 10:16:27 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfI only meant, I really only like gambling when I know i have an edge and i'm making money, except for the occasional FKing around.
Another hard-core gambler friend that I know says that for him a lot of the fun in gambling is not knowing what's going to happen.
There are definitely those who seek to lose control as a means to entertain themselves.
I'm sure there are other ways to lose control that some people find to be fun.
My uncle had a job at Dell where he said he goal was to make his job boring. Things were boring when everything was going perfectly. I don't know if it was related, but he lost his job soon after that, I believe.
Outside of the game of craps, if you seek too much control, random chance can sometimes give you a wake-up call to let you know that you just cannot control everything.
Your health is one of those things that you only have so much control over and can put you in a position to realize that the things out of your control can easily dominate your life.
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October 28th, 2013 at 9:45:09 PM
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I just got my final 5th blackmagic capture card came in the mail today. I want to get one more camera, but I'm debating if I will get another camera or try to figure out how to use the cameras that I already have.
I want the
http://store.sony.com/96gb-full-hd-camcorder-with-projector-zid27-HDRPJ790V/cat-27-catid-All-Handycam-Camcorders
or the
http://store.sony.com/32gb-full-hd-camcorder-with-projector-zid27-HDRPJ650V/cat-27-catid-All-Handycam-Camcorders
I also got some cardiod microphones to catch the dice touchdown without being so susceptible to background noise.
Maybe someone wants to move this thread into the "dice setting" forum?
I want the
http://store.sony.com/96gb-full-hd-camcorder-with-projector-zid27-HDRPJ790V/cat-27-catid-All-Handycam-Camcorders
or the
http://store.sony.com/32gb-full-hd-camcorder-with-projector-zid27-HDRPJ650V/cat-27-catid-All-Handycam-Camcorders
I also got some cardiod microphones to catch the dice touchdown without being so susceptible to background noise.
Maybe someone wants to move this thread into the "dice setting" forum?
aahigh.com
October 28th, 2013 at 10:04:49 PM
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Quote: Ahigh
Maybe someone wants to move this thread into the "dice setting" forum?
Is there an electronics forum here?
October 28th, 2013 at 10:18:22 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonIs there an electronics forum here?
Is there a forum for people who ask stupid questions?
I would think that someone like you might actually know a thing or two about these two specific cameras.
Or is that someone else's job and you just order them around?
I need a camera that will output 720p60 from the HDMI and record 1080p60 simultaneously. I was thinking about Magic Lantern and a T5i Canon, but there are glitched on the HDMI output when recording and it doesn't record 1080p60 at the same time it spits out 720p60.
This is all very pertinent to investigating the possibility for a controlled shot. I know you're not really understanding the whole thing, but making a jab about the fact that I want to talk about the technical details is a little annoying. I could actually use help from someone who understands camera stuff instead of being ridiculed.
I need a camera that has good low light sensitivity and good manual controls for precise shutter exposure times and aperture controls.
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October 28th, 2013 at 10:35:48 PM
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I know more in the tip of my pinky...
I told you a long time ago that these posts belonged on a forum for camera and tech equipment. I even provided a link to an appropriate forum.
If you had asked me I would have told you that you were doing it all wrong. But you didn't ask me. And so, I didn't tell you that you did it all wrong.
I also gave you the name of the top supplier of video and audio and computer equipment for "the business" and you ignored it.
I also gave you a specific idea to improve your camera view and you never acknowledged it.
In fact you will never, NEVER ackowledge if I gave you a useful or good idea because you will never admit that anyone knows more than you do.
Your posts are better suited to an electronics forum than to a craps forum.
I told you a long time ago that these posts belonged on a forum for camera and tech equipment. I even provided a link to an appropriate forum.
If you had asked me I would have told you that you were doing it all wrong. But you didn't ask me. And so, I didn't tell you that you did it all wrong.
I also gave you the name of the top supplier of video and audio and computer equipment for "the business" and you ignored it.
I also gave you a specific idea to improve your camera view and you never acknowledged it.
In fact you will never, NEVER ackowledge if I gave you a useful or good idea because you will never admit that anyone knows more than you do.
Your posts are better suited to an electronics forum than to a craps forum.
