Pass the Dice Back to the "Hot Shooter"?
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May 9th, 2012 at 6:29:22 PM
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Craps is random but like anything in life; some people have better luck than others.
My last 4 Craps sessions have been HORRENDOUS but in 3 out of the 4 sessions, there has been one "HOT SHOOTER", all 3 were female and had great rolls. After their rolls; I literally BEGGED the entire table to pass the dice right back to the hot shooter but nobody listened. The next shooter rolled the dice and the COLD shooting continued each time.
I just don't understand it! If everybody on the table is losing their money for HOURS, what's wrong with giving a hot shooter who just put Hundreds/Thousands back in your rack a second shot right away to hopefully continue the good luck/hot shooting? When I played Craps in Atlantic City in the early 2000s, a hot shooter always got the dice right back to try and make the table more money.
Do you believe a "hot shooter" should always get a second chance to roll the Dice right away especially on a "COLD" table?
My last 4 Craps sessions have been HORRENDOUS but in 3 out of the 4 sessions, there has been one "HOT SHOOTER", all 3 were female and had great rolls. After their rolls; I literally BEGGED the entire table to pass the dice right back to the hot shooter but nobody listened. The next shooter rolled the dice and the COLD shooting continued each time.
I just don't understand it! If everybody on the table is losing their money for HOURS, what's wrong with giving a hot shooter who just put Hundreds/Thousands back in your rack a second shot right away to hopefully continue the good luck/hot shooting? When I played Craps in Atlantic City in the early 2000s, a hot shooter always got the dice right back to try and make the table more money.
Do you believe a "hot shooter" should always get a second chance to roll the Dice right away especially on a "COLD" table?
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
May 9th, 2012 at 6:35:24 PM
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I think this question is irrelevant to the poll question.Quote: CrapsForeverDo you believe a "hot shooter" should always get a second chance to roll the Dice right away especially on a "COLD" table?
For the record, I do NOT believe in "hot shooters" or "cold tables".
But why not give the person who helped you win a lot of money, the chance to do it again?
Odds and probabilities says it shouldn't matter. So why not?
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May 9th, 2012 at 6:39:51 PM
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If she is hot, why not. Possibly win more money and get some good cleavage shot's while she's shooting.
I just realized you never said they were attractive, my overactive imagination is kicking in.
I just realized you never said they were attractive, my overactive imagination is kicking in.
May 9th, 2012 at 6:44:05 PM
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Most players enjoy trying their luck, come what may.
After all she just hit the Red, why let her do it again?
The table is hot until it's not, same with the so-called cold table.
After all she just hit the Red, why let her do it again?
The table is hot until it's not, same with the so-called cold table.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
May 9th, 2012 at 6:53:03 PM
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Or you could just bet the don't until it gets back to the alleged hot shooter.
May 9th, 2012 at 8:59:51 PM
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I tend to be a team player and if someone is "hot" and the table wants to have them shoot, I will pass the dice back to them. It is fun to feel that tonight is your lucky night and for that hot shooter it is okay to give them that thrill.
If someone is "cold" and still wants to shoot, I agree with Pokeraddict and would bet the don't
If someone is "cold" and still wants to shoot, I agree with Pokeraddict and would bet the don't
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May 9th, 2012 at 9:09:14 PM
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Someone was at a table with a hot shooter?
Heck, sometimes when Im at a table by myself, I stop passersby to throw the dice for me!
Heck, sometimes when Im at a table by myself, I stop passersby to throw the dice for me!
May 9th, 2012 at 9:20:46 PM
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I think it heavily depends on the person immediately following the hot shooter. If they start the precedent of passing then I would be more inclined... I mean why the hell not? On the other hand, if that person insists on shooting, then there's absolutely no reason for everyone else to pass and it's done.
Personally, if I'm ever the one immediately following a hot shooter, I take a quick look around the table. If more than one person is requesting that we give the person another chance I'm more than happy to oblige. Worst case scenario, I get the dice back after losing a few bucks in a few minutes. Best case scenario, the hot person goes on another streak and I get the feeling that I had an effect on a random set of events.
Personally, if I'm ever the one immediately following a hot shooter, I take a quick look around the table. If more than one person is requesting that we give the person another chance I'm more than happy to oblige. Worst case scenario, I get the dice back after losing a few bucks in a few minutes. Best case scenario, the hot person goes on another streak and I get the feeling that I had an effect on a random set of events.
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May 9th, 2012 at 10:45:36 PM
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If there appears to be a general clamoring for the dice to be passed back to so called hot shooter then fine... let it happen. If in addition to being a hot shooter she is also a hottie, then by all means let it continue.
May 9th, 2012 at 11:24:01 PM
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Makes no difference to me who shoots, at least in terms of the odds.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
May 10th, 2012 at 8:57:49 AM
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Shooting is part of the fun for me so I always take my turn.
May 10th, 2012 at 9:12:07 AM
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I am with the Wizard. It makes no difference. Also, like Slyther, that is why we play the game. We get to roll the bones (as Harry the Hat once said.) Dice don't know the difference.
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May 10th, 2012 at 10:29:06 AM
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I thought the fable was that the virgin female was supposed to be lucky? Why go back to them immediately if they've been "deflowered"?
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May 10th, 2012 at 2:45:37 PM
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Quote: AyecarumbaI thought the fable was that the virgin female was supposed to be lucky? Why go back to them immediately if they've been "deflowered"?
It's nice to let the illusion (delusion?) linger. Anyway, the status probably refers to the entire first session, not each individual toss of the dice.
May 10th, 2012 at 3:48:39 PM
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Consider this experience:
The hot shooter was a don't player... who kept rolling number after number... and pass after pass. And when he finally went broke, I said to him: I'll put $25 on the passline if you keep shooting.
The hot shooter was a don't player... who kept rolling number after number... and pass after pass. And when he finally went broke, I said to him: I'll put $25 on the passline if you keep shooting.
May 10th, 2012 at 4:08:15 PM
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One of the "hot shooters" this past week rolled for 45 minutes on her roll; hit 8 points and made the table a lot of money. Pitboss @ the table told me she is a regular at the Casino and that she is one of the "luckiest shooters" the Casino has ever seen. The Pitboss confirmed that she hit 3 Firebets in the previous month.
With all of this info about her being a "hot shooter" and the fact that she was the only person who even made a single point in 11 consecutive shooters, nobody except me wanted to pass the dice right back to her. When she didn't get the dice right back; I almost ruptured my aorta. The Pitboss looked at me and laughed. She walked away from the table shaking her head and the losing resumed....
To my chagrin, this was not at my local casino so I won't get to enjoy her good luck anymore.
With all of this info about her being a "hot shooter" and the fact that she was the only person who even made a single point in 11 consecutive shooters, nobody except me wanted to pass the dice right back to her. When she didn't get the dice right back; I almost ruptured my aorta. The Pitboss looked at me and laughed. She walked away from the table shaking her head and the losing resumed....
To my chagrin, this was not at my local casino so I won't get to enjoy her good luck anymore.
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
May 10th, 2012 at 6:55:20 PM
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Quote: slytherShooting is part of the fun for me so I always take my turn.
I'm sure I'm deep in the minority here, but I'm a "right" bettor that doesn't care to shoot.
May 10th, 2012 at 7:59:09 PM
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Not always, but I often pass the dice, and I'm a right bettor.Quote: fremont4everI'm sure I'm deep in the minority here, but I'm a "right" bettor that doesn't care to shoot.
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May 10th, 2012 at 8:38:55 PM
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I'm entirely the opposite: I seek out empty tables because I prefer shooting to betting on others' hands. It's much more satisfying for me to say "I had a $600 hand earlier tonight" than "I won $600 on someone else's hand earlier tonight." As luck would have it, the former is accurate. :)
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May 29th, 2012 at 8:15:12 AM
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Past few Craps sessions, there have been several HOT Shooters at various casinos that I played (lost) in. Each time, I BEGGED the entire table to just pass the Dice to the "Hot Shooter", a couple of times I was the next shooter...even though I've been shooting the dice much better lately...I still passed the dice on...hoping people would catch on and pass the dice. It did not happen...not a single time!
Everybody played HERO, throwing the dice and losing money. I could never figure out when to bet the Pass Line/Don't Pass Line while waiting for the "Hot Shooter" to get back the dice. A few times, the shooter remained HOT...but it became a vicious cycle...win $300 - $500 on one shooter...lose $500 waiting for him/her/myself (HOT SHOOTER) to get the dice back.
I need help! How do you "waste" time on a packed table waiting for the "hot" shooter to get the dice back? Not betting is not really an option; I CRAVE action on a craps table...one of my biggest weaknesses!
Everybody played HERO, throwing the dice and losing money. I could never figure out when to bet the Pass Line/Don't Pass Line while waiting for the "Hot Shooter" to get back the dice. A few times, the shooter remained HOT...but it became a vicious cycle...win $300 - $500 on one shooter...lose $500 waiting for him/her/myself (HOT SHOOTER) to get the dice back.
I need help! How do you "waste" time on a packed table waiting for the "hot" shooter to get the dice back? Not betting is not really an option; I CRAVE action on a craps table...one of my biggest weaknesses!
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
July 12th, 2012 at 6:19:39 AM
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Playing at Rivers Casino Chicago; I finally got my act together late last night after losing for 14 hours playing Craps and had 2 back-to-back GREAT rolls. Hit consecutive 4 points (Non-Firebet making) with lots of Hardways. When I finally got the Dice back....I hit 6 more points (Non-Firebet making) with lots more Hardways & Horns. Player on table tipped me $50 when I threw consecutive Horns and Hardways netting him $2,000 in a few rolls.
Again, nobody passed the dice back to me even though I basically BEGGED the entire table to give me the Dice back and keep the "Hot Trend" going. Heading back to Rivers Chicago in a few minutes; PRAYING I still have the touch/good luck from last night!
Again, nobody passed the dice back to me even though I basically BEGGED the entire table to give me the Dice back and keep the "Hot Trend" going. Heading back to Rivers Chicago in a few minutes; PRAYING I still have the touch/good luck from last night!
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
July 12th, 2012 at 6:41:01 AM
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Quote: CrapsForever
I need help! How do you "waste" time on a packed table waiting for the "hot" shooter to get the dice back? Not betting is not really an option; I CRAVE action on a craps table...one of my biggest weaknesses!
If you're not sure of the other shooters, just bet Iron Cross. It gives you some action on every shooter without killing your bankroll. At a $5 table, you're only risking $22 a shooter, max. Other option is to bet $1 on the fire bet as your only bet. It has little chance of winning, but it is action, and it will keep you in the game on every roll at a low price while you wait for the dice to move around.
If you are the next shooter after the 'hot shooter', ask if others want to pass it back to that person before giving up the dice. Passing it on and expecting others to follow suit is asking too much. I would also recommend asking the shooter if they want to go again immediately if you get the dice passed back to them. Make it a communal decision.
July 12th, 2012 at 6:41:27 AM
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i guess most of the other players do not share your belief
that you are still a hot shooter when your last roll was an out.
most people like to take their turn feeling that luck will shine on them as well
and they can have a turn at being the table's new hero.
that you are still a hot shooter when your last roll was an out.
most people like to take their turn feeling that luck will shine on them as well
and they can have a turn at being the table's new hero.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
July 12th, 2012 at 8:00:42 AM
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A few years ago I had been playing on a moderately cold table for 3 hours (no one was making more than one point, and most were making 0 points) when my buddy had a 30 minute roll, and I followed him with a 1:10 hour roll. I had to pee so bad, but of course I was not about to leave that roll. When I finally 7'd out, the dice moved to the other end of the table. The person says, "I'm passing, and everyone else should too. Give them back to the hot hand." And sure enough, everyone passed, and the dice came back to the hot hand! I don't recall if I made one quick point or not, but I know I 7'd out within 6 or 7 rolls. So much for a hot hand. And then I made a really fast dash to the head. lol
And for the other side of the coin? A buddy and I were teaching 3 friends how to play craps, and we were at Golden Gate. We were holding our own, but not doing much. A family of 6 or so came in and filled in the other end of the table. It took almost 2 hours for the dice to come back to our end of the table! Each person on that end of the table made points and inside numbers. If we had passed the dice back to the first shooter, we may never have had that nice long run.
Personally, I usually choose to shoot the dice, although I would pass the dice to get them back to a hot shooter, even though I don't believe in hot shooters. I DO believe that some people are naturally more lucky than others, and it doesn't cost anything to pass the dice, so why not. At the same time, when I have been struggling to make any numbers, I have had other players ask me to not shoot my turn. I ignore these requests, since I know I have as many good turns as bad turns.
And for the other side of the coin? A buddy and I were teaching 3 friends how to play craps, and we were at Golden Gate. We were holding our own, but not doing much. A family of 6 or so came in and filled in the other end of the table. It took almost 2 hours for the dice to come back to our end of the table! Each person on that end of the table made points and inside numbers. If we had passed the dice back to the first shooter, we may never have had that nice long run.
Personally, I usually choose to shoot the dice, although I would pass the dice to get them back to a hot shooter, even though I don't believe in hot shooters. I DO believe that some people are naturally more lucky than others, and it doesn't cost anything to pass the dice, so why not. At the same time, when I have been struggling to make any numbers, I have had other players ask me to not shoot my turn. I ignore these requests, since I know I have as many good turns as bad turns.
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July 12th, 2012 at 8:27:24 AM
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Such a silly poll!
July 13th, 2012 at 5:41:58 AM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsAt the same time, when I have been struggling to make any numbers, I have had other players ask me to not shoot my turn. I ignore these requests, since I know I have as many good turns as bad turns.
That is ludicrous that someone would ask that you not shoot. I'd tell them if they're so confident I'm not going to hit any numbers, feel free to bet the Don't.
July 13th, 2012 at 6:20:39 AM
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Quote: SACRThat is ludicrous that someone would ask that you not shoot. I'd tell them if they're so confident I'm not going to hit any numbers, feel free to bet the Don't.
I don't get upset by it, mainly because even though I would never ask someone to pass the dice, I am secretly happy when someone else who has gone PSO 4 previous rolls is asked to pass the dice. Some of these shooters are so negative when they grab the dice. They 'just know' they are going to PSO again, and they do.
Slightly off topic - There have been other threads about how good mojo at the table leads to more winning, etc. I am really starting to think there may be something to that intangible 'mojo'. Why is that lucky people ALWAYS seem lucky?
Why does a happy table seem to start winning, whereas a table of sour pusses continues to lose?
Why does there always seem to be one guy who is on a mean cold streak, and so he keeps trying different tables, which means your table has been doing okay so he jumps to you, only to see your table start going PSO? Was it law of averages at work, or is it negative energy at work?
So to tie this into the above topic, sure I can bet the Don't on the unlucky shooter, but that also means the table will be choppy, as the previous points won are now followed with the PSO, which means needing to restart the points made run
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July 13th, 2012 at 4:48:59 PM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsI don't get upset by it, mainly because even though I would never ask someone to pass the dice, I am secretly happy when someone else who has gone PSO 4 previous rolls is asked to pass the dice. Some of these shooters are so negative when they grab the dice. They 'just know' they are going to PSO again, and they do.
RaleighCraps, not to hijack another one of your posts but you are talking about me with your comment "Some of these shooters are so negative when they grab the dice, They just know they are going to PSO again and they do."
This was my post below on June 21 regarding my day playing craps at Hollywood Casino, WV.
Quote: CrapsForeverWorst shooting in Craps History???
I had 12 consecutive 7-Outs today including 10 Point 7-Outs. How is that possible??? Can someone please calculate the odds of both of those events occurring in a single craps session (8 hours)?.
I "knew" I would 7-out because I almost always "7-out" on the first roll after a comeout roll and go on consecutive PSO streaks...the COLD streak at a Casino June 21 at was the absolute worst so I kept on hopping the 7's on the first roll after the point was established.
RaleighCraps, I truly think you are on to something here with this negative energy thing..
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
July 13th, 2012 at 6:58:12 PM
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Quote: CrapsForeverRaleighCraps, not to hijack another one of your posts but you are talking about me with your comment "Some of these shooters are so negative when they grab the dice, They just know they are going to PSO again and they do."
This was my post below on June 21 regarding my day playing craps at Hollywood Casino, WV.
I "knew" I would 7-out because I almost always "7-out" on the first roll after a comeout roll and go on consecutive PSO streaks...the COLD streak at a Casino June 21 at was the absolute worst so I kept on hopping the 7's on the first roll after the point was established.
RaleighCraps, I truly think you are on to something here with this negative energy thing..
It certainly wasn't my intention to single anyone out. I was thinking back to my last 2 trips to Hollywwod in PA. There were definitely a couple of guys that fit the bill. As a rule I don't think I am going to 7 out right away, BUT, I do have to fight that feeling when I decide to bet the inside at a much higher starting level than I usually do. And lately, the 7 out feeling is winning :-(
This is definitely something that I miss about going to Vegas. When we stay at Paris, I can almost always count on being able to get on a craps table by myself, or a mostly empty table. But in Biloxi or PA casinos, that is not the case. Usually the tables are full, or there is just one choice on where to play. It doesn't really allow you to choose who you are playing with.
I am going to practice nothing but POSITIVE energy the next time I go to the craps table!
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back !
Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
July 13th, 2012 at 7:37:50 PM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsI am going to practice nothing but POSITIVE energy the next time I go to the craps table!
I was just telling my wife the same exact thing about this discussion. I MUST start thinking positively on the craps table. No More Hopping 7's, No Excessive Calling "OFF" on Bets, somehow my negative energy is affecting others and if I PSO once...I'm not touching the Dice for the rest of the day!
I MUST start thinking positively on the craps table!
I MUST start thinking positively on the craps table!!
I MUST start thinking positively on the craps table!!!
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
July 13th, 2012 at 7:59:56 PM
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I went with, "Rolling the dice," unless by, "Hot shooter," you actually mean, "Cold shooter." I'll pass the dice to someone if they have been there for a few hours and have literally not hit a point all night! It really has no effect on the odds, so if the worst possible effect is neutral, then go for it!
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July 13th, 2012 at 8:20:11 PM
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I like to play at Main Street Station when I am in Vegas. You can't beat the energy there. The Hawaiians at the table are relentlessly positive, and they can really shoot. They know how to bet, too. You can be sure if someone is rolling a big hand the odds are going to be pressed to the max and every number is going to be covered. (Horns and hardways? Forget it. Slows down the game.)
That said, I have gotten ransacked the last couple times I have played there, even with the positive energy, so energy really has nothing to do with it.
That said, I have gotten ransacked the last couple times I have played there, even with the positive energy, so energy really has nothing to do with it.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
