Best way to play DP & DC.
May 1st, 2012 at 2:29:22 PM
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Just wondering if anyone else is a dark side player? I have always played the pass line but have really taken a beaten here lately. I'm heading to Tunica tomorrow and was thinking about strictly playing DP&DC while take 5x odds or so on each. Anyone have any suggestions on what they do when playing the "dark side". Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
May 1st, 2012 at 3:22:49 PM
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"3-4-5x odds" is a misnomer when it comes to the dark side. You end out "laying" enough odds to get paid 345x, in other words you lay down 6x on every number to get paid back 3x,4x,5x. Regardless of the point, laying max odds on the dark side of a $5 DP bet is always $30 (at a 345 table).
Sorry if you already knew that, but it's something that I didn't fully understand until I actually played it.
What I love about the dark side is that I can lay $5 on the DP and get a ton of action - I just can't handle betting against the table most of the time though and usually bet with everyone else.
Sorry if you already knew that, but it's something that I didn't fully understand until I actually played it.
What I love about the dark side is that I can lay $5 on the DP and get a ton of action - I just can't handle betting against the table most of the time though and usually bet with everyone else.
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May 1st, 2012 at 3:28:25 PM
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When betting the DP for $5 and taking 6x odds do you ever play DC as well? Again I've never played the "dark side" so not really sure as to what is the most common or best bet to make when playing this way. What beats me when betting DC on the initial roll after the point is established?
May 1st, 2012 at 3:47:53 PM
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First off, there are at least a dozen people here that regularly play the darkside so hopefully one of them chimes in.
Secondly, do you understand the "come" bet for the lightside? Basically, you're playing the "pass line" on a roll other than the come out. The DC is the EXACT same but on the darkside, the more DC's you bet the higher your variance is going to be. So you bet the DC after the point has been established in order to set your own "anti-point" bet that wins on a seven.
I think I've heard that tunica has 10x odds? Your best bet would be to throw down as much as they allow you to on the odds for your don't pass bet - do not be afraid to just flat out ask them "How much will you let me put down on this?" when referring to your DP bet after a point has been established.
Secondly, do you understand the "come" bet for the lightside? Basically, you're playing the "pass line" on a roll other than the come out. The DC is the EXACT same but on the darkside, the more DC's you bet the higher your variance is going to be. So you bet the DC after the point has been established in order to set your own "anti-point" bet that wins on a seven.
I think I've heard that tunica has 10x odds? Your best bet would be to throw down as much as they allow you to on the odds for your don't pass bet - do not be afraid to just flat out ask them "How much will you let me put down on this?" when referring to your DP bet after a point has been established.
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
May 1st, 2012 at 3:58:03 PM
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Thanks for the feedback I appreciate it. Yea I've heard Tunica has 10x odds as well so that is what I will play. I just wonder how many DC's should I play and what not. Hopefully one of the regular DP players chime in but thank you for your help!
May 1st, 2012 at 4:05:07 PM
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Last time I played DP/DC, at Bills, laid max odds on $5 bet ($30 on every number), with continuous DC bets. As soon as I bought in, first shooter went on a MONSTER roll, hitting all my don't points. It was horrible. Went through $600 just through him. Usually it's good, but when it goes bad, it goes BAD.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
May 1st, 2012 at 4:12:19 PM
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Maybe I should just stick with my normal play then idk. I was thinking about playing $5 on DP with 5x odds and then playing 2 DC bets with 10x odds. Any idea what the HA would be playing like that?
May 1st, 2012 at 5:08:03 PM
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Quote: rayray83What beats me when betting DC on the initial roll after the point is established?
just to make sure this gets answered, instead of getting beat by the 7-out you get beat when the point established is rolled before the 7
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
May 1st, 2012 at 5:29:25 PM
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No I mean what I am betting the DC my money in that box if that roll is a 7 does that bet loose since it's not on a number how does that work?
May 1st, 2012 at 5:37:44 PM
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Quote: rayray83No I mean what I am betting the DC my money in that box if that roll is a 7 does that bet loose since it's not on a number how does that work?
Your DC will lose on a 7 on the come out but you will make money as your DP and any other DC bets including odds will all win. You wont' have any odds on the last DC yet either so that loss is only your base bet.
Be careful when you follow the masses, the M is sometimes silent.
May 1st, 2012 at 5:58:29 PM
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Oh ok thanks! Has anyone here just went to the table and played the DP AND DC if so how did you do? Did the other gamblers treat you bad?
May 1st, 2012 at 6:33:53 PM
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if the commision is paid after the win, then LAY all the #'s on the passline roll.
a 7 = you win ALL !
then continuous DC
a 7 = you win ALL !
then continuous DC
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
May 1st, 2012 at 6:45:22 PM
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So before the shooter starts his roll bet the DP and Lay all the numbers?
May 1st, 2012 at 7:23:59 PM
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I play the DP, and the DC, until I have two of the numbers other than 6 or 8. So, at most, I might have 4 numbers covered. At best, one DP and one DC. Why I stop at that limit, I have no idea. If I end up losing one of the two, then I put up another DC or DP as appropriate.
Sometimes, you do get bad looks or comments from other players. It happens. Just learn to ignore it.
Sometimes, you do get bad looks or comments from other players. It happens. Just learn to ignore it.
May 1st, 2012 at 11:07:37 PM
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one thing i would suggest, is to locate yourself right next to the dealer at dealer 1 or dealer 2.
this gives you easy access to the DontCome Box and
you can set your own DC bets without attracting a lot of attention from the table.
i might also suggest that you pass the dice rather than attract the notice of the table
that you are rolling to kill all of their bets.
i would also caution you that if the table gets cold, you should be prepared for snide remarks and dirty looks.
i don't know what it is like in tunica, but i play in AC where
there are a bunch of tattooed, liquor-swilling, chain-smoking, obscenity hurling, degenerates...
and their husbands.
this gives you easy access to the DontCome Box and
you can set your own DC bets without attracting a lot of attention from the table.
i might also suggest that you pass the dice rather than attract the notice of the table
that you are rolling to kill all of their bets.
i would also caution you that if the table gets cold, you should be prepared for snide remarks and dirty looks.
i don't know what it is like in tunica, but i play in AC where
there are a bunch of tattooed, liquor-swilling, chain-smoking, obscenity hurling, degenerates...
and their husbands.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:06:47 AM
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It's also common practice for a lot of the DC players I deal to "wave off" the DC after a 6/8. So when they have a DC, shooter rolls 6, they wave their hand, indicating they don't want the number to travel, which you can do, and you can remove ANY and ALL DP or DC bets. The thing is you should never do this, by picking up DP or DC bets, you're picking up a bet in which you have an advantage to win. Now picking up odds is okay, since in the long run those break even, but flat bets should always stay.
I know it will be very tempting to not travel those 6's and 8's, especially when the shooter is hitting them over and over, but remember that's just the variance talking. If you just can't take it anymore, and don't travel the number, then just pick up the DC and wait til the shooter sevens out, don't let it lay in the DC a second time. Remember the DC loses on the seven, so you're exposing that same $5 to a disadvantage on back to back rolls.
I know it will be very tempting to not travel those 6's and 8's, especially when the shooter is hitting them over and over, but remember that's just the variance talking. If you just can't take it anymore, and don't travel the number, then just pick up the DC and wait til the shooter sevens out, don't let it lay in the DC a second time. Remember the DC loses on the seven, so you're exposing that same $5 to a disadvantage on back to back rolls.
May 2nd, 2012 at 3:54:23 AM
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Its takes a larger bankroll to do the Dark Side properly.
If your "usual" is to be on the Right Side for One Pass Line Bet w/ Full Odds and Three Come Bets w/ Full Odds ... then you will most likely find the Dark Side to be One DontPass Bet w/ Full Odds and One Dont'Come Bet with Full Odds.
If your "usual" is to be on the Right Side for One Pass Line Bet w/ Full Odds and Three Come Bets w/ Full Odds ... then you will most likely find the Dark Side to be One DontPass Bet w/ Full Odds and One Dont'Come Bet with Full Odds.
May 2nd, 2012 at 5:23:14 AM
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Quote: WongBoi play in AC where there are a bunch of tattooed, liquor-swilling, chain-smoking, obscenity hurling, degenerates... and their husbands.
Sounds like my kind of crowd. Which casino do you find best for that kind of action?
May 2nd, 2012 at 6:30:34 AM
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Quote: SanchoPanzaSounds like my kind of crowd. Which casino do you find best for that kind of action?
Atlantic Club.
Farthest casino downbeach.
desperate financial straits.
pandering to locals.
$3 table minimum with 10x odds. 24/7.
a fight almost every night.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:23:39 AM
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Quote: rayray83Maybe I should just stick with my normal play then idk. I was thinking about playing $5 on DP with 5x odds and then playing 2 DC bets with 10x odds. Any idea what the HA would be playing like that?
Naw,
Play both! Do some DP/DC, and mix it up - move back to the pass line on occasion.
One way I like to play is do a DP, then back the number with enough (that you would win) to cover if you place bets on all the other numbers. Then as a place number wins, you can lower your odds bet just enough to still cover you (this minimizes your liability). If you hit 4 points, you are golden! I also play DC bets and don't take action on 6 or 8.
Also, agree with wongbo - stand at the end near the DC box.
Also, when the dice comes my way and I was playing the DC/DP, I would throw, but use a pass line bet that time through. If you have money on the pass line, you can still bet DC bets if you want.
Another thing I do is always keep money on the DC bet (mostly taking no action except on 4 and 10), and have place bets on the other numbers - and assuming I have a lay bet or a DC odds bet to cover my line bets. The thing is - in this scenario - since a 7 is a break even for me (lay covers the loss of the line bets) - and with money on the DC every roll, a 2 and a 3 will come up more often than an 11 - so you can make a teeny amount that way.
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:28:43 AM
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If you're concerned about other players, and 3-4-5X is enough for you, try Rapid Craps at Bill's. No one sees your bets.
Or find a bunch of other "wrong" bettors and descend on a table en-masse. No worries there.
Or find a bunch of other "wrong" bettors and descend on a table en-masse. No worries there.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
May 4th, 2012 at 12:23:12 PM
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Welcome to the dark side, we have cookies!
Haha, just kidding, I kind of waffle back and forth nowadays. You will get dirty looks and sometimes snide comments, but you will also sometimes find a kind of friendly back-and-forth with the right side players, just depends on their mood.
As has been said, at a 345x table, you can always lay 6x your DP or DC bet on the odds. If you plan on laying 5x, be sure you don't get your payout rounded down. On a point of 6 or 8, the odds pay 5 to 6, so you don't want to have a bet of $25 there. Go for either $24 (pays $20) or 30 (pays $25). Similarly, 5/9 pay 2 to 3 so you want a multiple of 3, and 4/10 pay 1 to 2 so you want anything even. $25 would actually be a really horrible amount to lay on the odds because it doesn't work for any of the numbers.
One of my local casinos has 10x odds and if you plan on laying the max, it can get crazy. On a $5 bet, if the point is 4 or 10, you can lay $100! (To win $50, or 10x your initial bet.) As others have said, you need to have a bigger bankroll or make fewer DC bets than you would normally make Come bets.
Finally, don't be superstitious or give in to the gambler's fallacy. If you don't want to deal with being the bad guy at the table, just stick to the pass line and have fun. Either way you will lose in the long run.
Haha, just kidding, I kind of waffle back and forth nowadays. You will get dirty looks and sometimes snide comments, but you will also sometimes find a kind of friendly back-and-forth with the right side players, just depends on their mood.
As has been said, at a 345x table, you can always lay 6x your DP or DC bet on the odds. If you plan on laying 5x, be sure you don't get your payout rounded down. On a point of 6 or 8, the odds pay 5 to 6, so you don't want to have a bet of $25 there. Go for either $24 (pays $20) or 30 (pays $25). Similarly, 5/9 pay 2 to 3 so you want a multiple of 3, and 4/10 pay 1 to 2 so you want anything even. $25 would actually be a really horrible amount to lay on the odds because it doesn't work for any of the numbers.
One of my local casinos has 10x odds and if you plan on laying the max, it can get crazy. On a $5 bet, if the point is 4 or 10, you can lay $100! (To win $50, or 10x your initial bet.) As others have said, you need to have a bigger bankroll or make fewer DC bets than you would normally make Come bets.
Finally, don't be superstitious or give in to the gambler's fallacy. If you don't want to deal with being the bad guy at the table, just stick to the pass line and have fun. Either way you will lose in the long run.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
May 4th, 2012 at 12:47:36 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsIf you don't want to deal with being the bad guy at the table, just stick to the pass line and have fun. Either way you will lose in the long run.
"Bad guy"????? You bet red, I bet black. What's the big deal?
May 4th, 2012 at 1:24:27 PM
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Quote: SanchoPanza"Bad guy"????? You bet red, I bet black. What's the big deal?
Exactly! No difference, really (Think of an American roulette wheel; 0 is akin to 2 or 12)
We're ALL trying to beat the casino...I have no qualms if a Don't Player wins...hey, at least SOMEONE won money.
I'll usually play the DP and add in some place bets less than the value of my winning DP bet...that way if they roll some numbers in between I can profit on those too (they come down as they hit)
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
May 4th, 2012 at 3:40:02 PM
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Quote: TIMSPEEDExactly! No difference, really (Think of an American roulette wheel; 0 is akin to 2 or 12)
We're ALL trying to beat the casino...I have no qualms if a Don't Player wins...hey, at least SOMEONE won money.
I'll usually play the DP and add in some place bets less than the value of my winning DP bet...that way if they roll some numbers in between I can profit on those too (they come down as they hit)
I appreciate the thoughts, but I think the average right-way craps player would disagree with you :)
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
May 4th, 2012 at 4:42:40 PM
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something tells me this is a Vegas thing, to hate on the dark-side bettors. Vegas and maybe some other places. I can say I havent run into it at all elsewhere.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
