Craps is Boring
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April 20th, 2012 at 8:20:35 AM
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There is so much Craps talk on this board. Why? The game is so boring after you've played for more than 20-30 minutes. Dice roll, and there are 11 possibilities.
How can y'all play and talk about it so much?
So I decided to make it a voting thing. Craps - exciting?
How can y'all play and talk about it so much?
So I decided to make it a voting thing. Craps - exciting?
April 20th, 2012 at 8:23:21 AM
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Stand still in a full-fledged casino (with slots and table games) and close your eyes. Listen for the first ten screams, shouts, or yells you hear. Eight of them will come from the dice pit. The other two will come from the slot machines. What does that tell you?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
April 20th, 2012 at 8:27:08 AM
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It's harder [for most of us] to be delusional about our ultimate fate when we play craps... yet it has wild swings... that has to be fun on the upswing, if you can handle the downswing you can get hooked
Walk by the BJ tables and you seem to just see unhappy unsmiling people
Walk by the BJ tables and you seem to just see unhappy unsmiling people
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
April 20th, 2012 at 8:27:33 AM
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That I need to get as far away as possible from the craps pit. LOL
April 20th, 2012 at 8:35:55 AM
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Quote: odiousgambit
Walk by the BJ tables and you seem to just see unhappy unsmiling people
That's me whenever I play BJ.
April 20th, 2012 at 8:41:44 AM
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Quote: FinsRuleThere is so much Craps talk on this board. Why? The game is so boring after you've played for more than 20-30 minutes. Dice roll, and there are 11 possibilities.
It's not a matter of possibilities. Even with two possibilities, as say in a coin flip, the excitement comes from having money riding on the outcome.
I've come to accept if you don't find a game exciting, then you don't and that's that. Consider BJ. The way I see it is : you see your cards, the dealer up card, and you look for the spot on the basic strategy matrix to check what you should do. It's more like looking up ye old trigonometry or logarithm tables for math homework in the paleolithic era than gambling!
But that's me. Obviously other people find it exciting. Maybe they hit when they shouldn't and ahve the thrill of being naughty? ;)
Quote:How can y'all play and talk about it so much?
Well, there are lots of bets one can amke. I lose track of all that. I just bet pass/don't pass and odds, sometimes with come/don't come bets and odds. Hell,s ometimes I'll bet the field if I'm feeling naughty ;) (but only if the 2 or 12 pays triple; I do have limits)
Otherwise it's the nightclub flame wars all over again. I see such palces as an unfair approximation of hell (ie, hell can't be that bad). Other people, mostly men, debase themelves to get in. To each his or her own (and I trust you can see the irony).
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
April 20th, 2012 at 8:55:03 AM
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Craps is life. Highs and lows. Socializing. Luck, and possibly a bit of skill. Awaiting the positive (long roll) while conserving your assets during the darker moments. Best game in the house.
April 20th, 2012 at 8:56:06 AM
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Quote: FinsRuleDice roll, and there are 11 possibilities.
Actually there are 36 possibilities.
April 20th, 2012 at 9:01:32 AM
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Quote: FatGeezusActually there are 36 possibilities.
If you're playing sucker bets, I guess there is... But the people on this board are too smart for that.
April 20th, 2012 at 9:14:48 AM
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Quote: FinsRuleIf you're playing sucker bets, I guess there is... But the people on this board are too smart for that.Quote: FatGeezusActually there are 36 possibilities
Actually there a lot more than 36 possibilities, if you start including combination bets, counteracting (dare we say hedging?) wagers and so on. A while ago, some folks here posited that more than 100 bets were possible on the craps layout. And as midwestgb almost said, craps is in many ways a metaphor for life. The simple elegance of the game is simultaneously deceptive and inveigling, far more so than other casino activities.
April 20th, 2012 at 9:32:30 AM
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I would agree that I would be bored making a pass line bet at a low value and simply wait for it to resolve itself. That might be good for bankroll preservation but not much fun.
That is why I always get several numbers working because then I have multiple decisions on most rolls:
Get another number working
How much odds to take
Press when a number hits
Dream of the monster roll
Cry when the seven appears and wipes me out
Switch to the dark side
'Put' my working come numbers to keep them up after a seven shows on the come out
Slink away with my tail between my legs after losing my bankroll
Notice that none of my decisions invlolve any center bets or the field but they do keep me immersed in the game.
That is why I always get several numbers working because then I have multiple decisions on most rolls:
Get another number working
How much odds to take
Press when a number hits
Dream of the monster roll
Cry when the seven appears and wipes me out
Switch to the dark side
'Put' my working come numbers to keep them up after a seven shows on the come out
Slink away with my tail between my legs after losing my bankroll
Notice that none of my decisions invlolve any center bets or the field but they do keep me immersed in the game.
Be careful when you follow the masses, the M is sometimes silent.
April 20th, 2012 at 9:41:36 AM
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Quote: SanchoPanzaActually there a lot more than 36 possibilities, if you start including combination bets, counteracting (dare we say hedging?) wagers and so on. A while ago, some folks here posited that more than 100 bets were possible on the craps layout. And as midwestgb almost said, craps is in many ways a metaphor for life. The simple elegance of the game is simultaneously deceptive and inveigling, far more so than other casino activities.
Obviously when I say possibilities, I mean everytime the dice are rolled there are 11 different numbers that will pop up.
I wouldn't say there are two possibilities - win or lose, because that's the same for every game. I just think a game of cards/tiles is more interesting because just about every hand is different, and what you have changes the possibility of what the other player / dealer has.
I understand Craps can have exciting moments, but for me it just gets repetitive.
April 20th, 2012 at 9:43:40 AM
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Craps is a hell of a drug......
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
April 20th, 2012 at 10:21:27 AM
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Quote: FatGeezusActually there are 36 possibilities.
But even more to it than that...remember there are even fewer letters in the alphabet, and look what can be done with that!
Quote: midwestgbCraps is life. Highs and lows. Socializing. Luck, and possibly a bit of skill. Awaiting the positive (long roll) while conserving your assets during the darker moments. Best game in the house.
Amen. NO game has the juice of craps. Once you get it, you are owned, addicted to the mistress....
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
April 20th, 2012 at 10:36:15 AM
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Quote: PaigowdanNO game has the juice of craps. Once you get it, you are owned, addicted to the mistress....
I have always been too intimidated to try craps but was considering it on my next trip. After reading this I don't think I will go through with it. Lord knows I don't need another vice.
100% risk of ruin
April 20th, 2012 at 10:41:35 AM
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Craps is all I can play now. Everything else is boring to me.
April 20th, 2012 at 10:49:47 AM
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Quote: RogerKintI have always been too intimidated to try craps but was considering it on my next trip. After reading this I don't think I will go through with it. Lord knows I don't need another vice.
The thing is, if you ARE going to have the vice of gambling, then play the game that gives you the excitement and interest that you seek.
I don't overspend, I pay my life's expenses first; if gambling were a problem, then any gambling is a problem.
If gambling is NOT a problem, then play the game you like best, or mix it up.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
April 20th, 2012 at 10:56:56 AM
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Quote: FinsRuleThere is so much Craps talk on this board. Why? The game is so boring after you've played for more than 20-30 minutes. Dice roll, and there are 11 possibilities.
How can y'all play and talk about it so much?
Craps is one of those great dividers. Democrat/GOP; Coke/Pepsi....... As the semi-official AAA-level craps dealer on the board I can say a few things about it.
Craps can make time fly. Many is the night I put my head down and next thing you hear is "last call." This rarely happens at BJ and never, ever at Poker. On Let-It-Ride time seems to move backwards. 100+ bets on a normal layout. Not like turning cards at Casino War. Only game where the dealers get some lattitude in cheque-handling procedures. Only game where the payout odds keep changing. Only game where the player affects the outcome, only game where 95% of the players win or lose together.
Anyone can play a slot. Anyone can play "Big 6." You can learn how to play BJ in minutes (how to play right is another story.) Craps is another matter. The dealers walk with a swagger knowing that most of the other dealers are afraid to even try to learn it. The players like feeling they know more too! The place has a language all its own. "Press the hard, two-way!" might get you slapped in the bar, in the dice pit it shows you know what you are doing.
Now, one problem is that short attention-span USA has a hard time learning the game. Guys don't want to take the time and women get bored if too many rolls before a decision. Then they get confused about all the "exceptions." "I before E, except after C--unless sounds like A as in neighbor and weigh." That confused us in school until we learned it. In craps it is, "the 7 is good until it is bad; that come bet works on the new comeout but the free-odds do not; the place does not work on the comeout unless you turn it on-----you following all this, boy? Sheese, kid is about as sharp as a sack of wet mice."
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
April 20th, 2012 at 11:14:53 AM
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Quote: AZDuffman"I before E, except after C-"
I think I am going to yell that out next time while throwing $1 in the middle!
edit: maybe that could mean "snake-eyes before Yo, but any craps loses" ... a bet that does not exist [vbg]!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
April 20th, 2012 at 11:21:58 AM
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Craps is fun.
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
April 20th, 2012 at 11:24:50 AM
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Craps really only has three possibilities...Win, Push, or Lose. LOL
I find craps to be the most exciting game in the casino...however video poker comes a close second (SuperTimesPay variant, of course)
I think what hooked me on it was...early on, I had a near-record setting roll (just shy of 2½ hours; 104 rolls)
I find craps to be the most exciting game in the casino...however video poker comes a close second (SuperTimesPay variant, of course)
I think what hooked me on it was...early on, I had a near-record setting roll (just shy of 2½ hours; 104 rolls)
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
April 20th, 2012 at 11:46:34 AM
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Quote: AZDuffman
"I before E, except after C-"
The nuns drummed that into my skull for years. To this day i often misspell "their" !
"I before E, except after C-"
The nuns drummed that into my skull for years. To this day i often misspell "their" !
April 20th, 2012 at 12:06:35 PM
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I detest craps. Its distracting when a bunch of grown men
are screaming like teenage girls because they won $5 on
a roll. Its stupid and unnecessary. And it goes on and
on, I'm embarrassed for them. Can you imagine if every
table in the casino acted like that? You'd think the place
was the loony bin..
are screaming like teenage girls because they won $5 on
a roll. Its stupid and unnecessary. And it goes on and
on, I'm embarrassed for them. Can you imagine if every
table in the casino acted like that? You'd think the place
was the loony bin..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 20th, 2012 at 12:12:14 PM
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I just remember one time at Ameristar St. Louis when this one woman across the aisle at a BJ table would just scream her head off every minute or so. Where was she? A $5 BJ table.
My rule for screaming - 35X average bet.
My rule for screaming - 35X average bet.
April 20th, 2012 at 12:24:21 PM
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Quote: FinsRuleObviously when I say possibilities, I mean everytime the dice are rolled there are 11 different numbers that will pop up.
It is much more. If your point is eight, you can be rooting for any eight, the guy next to you can be rooting for the hardway, and guy hiding in the hook next to the dealer is whispering seven for his DP... All at the same time.
There are two things that make this game special to me. First, is the opportunity to throw the dice. You don't get to spin the roulette wheel, nor shuffle the cards at a BJ table, but you get to throw the dice in Craps. This makes the game very personal, and provides an opportunity for you to grow your relationhip with your imaginary Craps friend, "Skill". When things don't go as planned, his fraternal twin, "Luck" is happy to take responsibility. Second, you have the opportunity to wager on every outcome of every roll. The action never stops. No other game has the highs (and unfortunately, the lows) of Craps.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
April 20th, 2012 at 12:43:35 PM
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Like someone said earlier, the only time I find myself bored is if I just have one pass-line bet on the table, especially if it's a long roll. And then it becomes worse if the seven out comes and I didn't collect on anything. But in general, craps is pretty exciting for me.
April 20th, 2012 at 3:05:08 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffQuote: AZDuffman
"I before E, except after C-"
The nuns drummed that into my skull for years. To this day i often misspell "their" !
If it were such an easy rule, how could a smart guy like Einstein get it wrong twice in his own name?
April 20th, 2012 at 3:39:35 PM
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Craps is unique in that often is very exciting, but it can also be extremely boring. I find myself bored dealing it a lot, because it's a Monday or Tuesday late at night with two players playing just a passline and maybe a six/eight for table minimum. Roll after roll after roll with no decision.
Just recently there was just one player, the table was "cold" so he switched to the don't, five flat with ten lay for his last fifteen dollars. He rolled nearly 30 numbers before a seven and finally winning. It was pretty boring up to that point because all those rolls were meaningless.
Just recently there was just one player, the table was "cold" so he switched to the don't, five flat with ten lay for his last fifteen dollars. He rolled nearly 30 numbers before a seven and finally winning. It was pretty boring up to that point because all those rolls were meaningless.
April 20th, 2012 at 6:09:01 PM
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Quote: ewjones080Craps is unique in that often is very exciting, but it can also be extremely boring. I find myself bored dealing it a lot, because it's a Monday or Tuesday late at night with two players playing just a passline and maybe a six/eight for table minimum. Roll after roll after roll with no decision.
Just recently there was just one player, the table was "cold" so he switched to the don't, five flat with ten lay for his last fifteen dollars. He rolled nearly 30 numbers before a seven and finally winning. It was pretty boring up to that point because all those rolls were meaningless.
What's more boring: that, or standing at an empty table forever?
April 20th, 2012 at 7:33:42 PM
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When craps is exciting you are usually in the middle of a hot streak that will kick off a big win - immediately followed by a bigger loss because you think the "streak" is going to last forever.
When craps is boring you are usually grinding out a slow (and probably small) profit that you'll take home with you.
Just my thinking.
When craps is boring you are usually grinding out a slow (and probably small) profit that you'll take home with you.
Just my thinking.
"Get in, get up, and get gone"
Steve "Heavy" Haltom
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April 20th, 2012 at 10:48:42 PM
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Quote: EvenBobCan you imagine if every
table in the casino acted like that? You'd think the place
was the loony bin..
I only think Big-6 is a loony bin. Last time I was there the bartender was talking about how weird the crowd was, then the screams came when $1 came up! 1:1 on $1 bets.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
April 20th, 2012 at 11:19:06 PM
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If you think craps is boring, increase your variance. Lower your bankroll, increase your bet size - as long as you continue with the low HE bets you'll have a solid amount of winning and losing sessions and a whole lot of fun when on streaks and pressing heavily.
Seriously, it's all about pressing and hot streaks for me.
Seriously, it's all about pressing and hot streaks for me.
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
April 21st, 2012 at 4:05:24 AM
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Quote: FourFiveFaceWhat's more boring: that, or standing at an empty table forever?
Well a dead game is only slightly more boring usually. It depends though and which direction it's facing. Where I work, the $25 BJ game is dead a lot, and faces slot machines. Two of the carny games can be dead quite a bit, but face the bar with the TV's. Plus I can chat with my floor.
Then again, if I'm on a base with no players, I can sit and bet in my head.
April 21st, 2012 at 7:42:32 AM
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