Craps Rating Question - Pass Line vs Place Bet

Player A makes a $150 pass line bet (no odds behind). Player B places a $150 six (or eight) bet and takes their profits every time they hit (no progression). Are both players rated the same in terms of average bet per hour?

The reason why I ask this is that Player B is actually making fewer bets per hour then Player A as Player B has no action on any come out roll.

my guess would be they are rated the same.....the pit boss just puts your average bet into the computer(excluding odds) and they rate you based on that....what they rate your expected loss at and the % they comp back is gonna vary from casino to casino...

A better question would be once you are rated by the casino at the craps table....what is the number the casino uses as the "average" expected loss for a craps table....2%?

That depends if your making only "good bets" (PL with max odds, 6 & 8), or are playing prop bets and the field, or a mix.
There is a hard, medium, and soft rating status, basically corresponding to a 7%, 4%, and 2% HE player.

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That depends if your making only "good bets" (PL with max odds, 6 & 8), or are playing prop bets and the field, or a mix.
There is a hard, medium, and soft rating status, basically corresponding to a 7%, 4%, and 2% HE player.

wow I never would have now there were three tiers.....But I will take your word for it, if anyone knows on here you do. so if you are just making P/L bets and Come bets...I'm assuming you would get the 2% status.....

Well,
officially there are these distinctions. The crap table rating systems are actually published in casino textbooks such as "Managing Casinos" by Reuben Martinez et al.
Most floormen just ballpark it, especially in a busy pit, and are actually a very good gauge of the action.
the best you're gonna get anyway....just play...

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The reason why I ask this is that Player B is actually making fewer bets per hour then Player A as Player B has no action on any come out roll.

So what? There is no place in the little screen's input box for that "ideal world" stuff. Heck, you don't think the Floorperson stood there for all 150 bets by each of them do you? Other problems arise at other tables.

FP estimates an average bet by noting what he first sees and noting any major departures from that figure that come to his attention.
FP would enter the same figure for each player on a busy night. Most likely without any sort of notation or distinction whatsoever.

On a really slow day when there was universal boredom and not even a pair of tits to distract the Floor Person, the FP might realize what the situation was and even think about it, but where on that tiny screen is he going to do anything about it. The ratings will be the same and to heck with it all. Casino Marketing deals with enough slop, let them deal with this slop too. Neither FP nor Pit Boss will get involved in any adjustments or comments. Focus too fixedly on stuff like this and the table will become a haven for rail birds, dice sliders various other crossroaders.

Of course it depends on the casino but I can tell you how the rating system was explained to me at Caesars several years ago (I don't know if this is still valid):

They rate players in three categories: Low house edge, Medium house edge, High house edge.

If you are a passline/dont pass/odds player you are a low house edge player. Add the place bets and you are still a low house edge player.

Hardway and field bets get you a medium house edge rank.

Horn and hop bets get you the high house edge ranking.

OK, so what does it mean? Frankly, no one knows. How table players are rated, and get their comp points and tier points is nothing less than a mystery with this company. Unlike slots and machines where a computer keeps track of you, the rating of players depends on a floorman who may or may not be keeping track of anything you do-- whether you press bets or call bets off, or if you start high and then regress your bets.

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OK, so what does it mean? Frankly, no one knows. How table players are rated, and get their comp points and tier points is nothing less than a mystery with this company.

Oh, I'm sure they carefully take note of the bets placed, the house edge, the hands per hour, and then they sarcrifice a chicken and look at its organs to determine comps ;)