Craps Dealer Gripes: We've all got'em, let's hear em'

They can't honor everyone's personal superstitions.
As long as they honor the main ones, I am ok with it.

Quote: CrapsForever

I hate it when the dealer just happens to pass the dice to the shooter with a "7" showing on the side of the dice facing the shooter. Most crap players only focus on the "7" not showing on the top, they don't check the face of the dice. Call it coincidence but in my 12 years of playing craps; I have noticed an inordinate amount of 7's being rolled when I see a 7 on the face of the dice.

Dealer, please pass me the dice with no 7's adding up on the top or side of the dice. This common courtesy will be reflected in the tips you receive from me.

I have noticed that over time when a "7" is showing on any face it raised the probability that a "7" will be rolled to 1 in 6 trials.

OK, that was all in fun. If you are at a not busy table just ask the stick, surely they will consider doing this for George.

Wow I can't believe the tipping cap thing. It sounds illigal, because you shouldn't have to "pay" to get a paycheck. The only exception being strip clubs, cause here in Iowa the girls have to pay a $20 cover to get stage time, sort of like they're renting space.

And with passing the dice, I certainly do everything I can to not send a seven, but I'm not going to appease every single superstition. And when it gets really ridiculous is a Don't player that's shooting and taking multiple DC's. Am I supposed to take 20 seconds to find a number he's not on. But there's one player that doesn't like getting the dice on 4. He's a regular and a nice guy. He tips even though he strokes (like placing 6/8 for $10). Maybe he does this to get .50 chips for tips. But I won't send him the four so long as I remember.

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Quote: ewjones080

Wow I can't believe the tipping cap thing. It sounds illigal, because you shouldn't have to "pay" to get a paycheck.

I wondered the same thing...a good friend of mine (bartender) told me that this practice has been in place there since the 80's when business was BOOMING, so that the dealers weren't coveted over everything else (Kind of like a deterrant to a "toke hustle") In the 80's, $17 an hour was BIG money...now it's just barely acceptable (of course, as opposed to $7 an hour it IS good money)

Quote: ewjones080

And with passing the dice, I certainly do everything I can to not send a seven, but I'm not going to appease every single superstition.

Understandable, but that's ONE superstition that I think EVERYONE has...
Also, you wouldn't "pop" the dice to someone would you? (Send it about half way to them, then just HIT them, so they "tumble" to them)

Well, if you lay all the numbers on the come out, I assume you are betting $186 across, paying the $1 vig. Usually, rather than setting it up, the crew can call "lay all the numbers and take your $186 and put it aside.

So, when a number hits 24/36 times, you lose $31 and get back $155. When the 7 hits you are betting $186 to win 120. When the horn hits you lose nothing, but you keep the bet up, I am guessing.

So, the EV on this roll is 6/30 x 120 - 24/30 x 31 or $.80. Since the amount bet is $186, the HA is really 0.43%.

But really, you've gotta look at the EV of .80 on the comeout roll and compare it other things. An $8 horn is a worse bet. A $6 any 7 is an equivalent bet.

So, the lay bet is much better.

Quote: ewjones080

The only exception being strip clubs, cause here in Iowa the girls have to pay a $20 cover to get stage time, sort of like they're renting space.

That's not the same at all. You're right that they are kinda renting the stage. But they pay that fee regardless of how much they make. No cap - and no minimum either.

I think the dealer tip cap is illegal too. Or at least unethical, since the tips are being diverted from the customer's intended recipient.

Quote: boymimbo

Well, if you lay all the numbers on the come out, I assume you are betting $186 across, paying the $1 vig. Usually, rather than setting it up, the crew can call "lay all the numbers and take your $186 and put it aside.

So, when a number hits 24/36 times, you lose $31 and get back $155. When the 7 hits you are betting $186 to win 120. When the horn hits you lose nothing, but you keep the bet up, I am guessing.

So, the EV on this roll is 6/30 x 120 - 24/30 x 31 or $.80. Since the amount bet is $186, the HA is really 0.43%.

But really, you've gotta look at the EV of .80 on the comeout roll and compare it other things. An $8 horn is a worse bet. A $6 any 7 is an equivalent bet.

So, the lay bet is much better.

They never do it that way. They always lay every number and put the little lay button on each bet. Also, the vig is paid on wins only.

Quote: Triplell

What I do hate is when dealers question my bets. For instance, I was having fun laying every number on the comeout, and then moving the bets down to place bets when the point was set (taking down the 5/9). One dealer told me I was making a sucker bet, as I was guarunteed to lose $30 when a point hit. I told her that I was hoping for a natural.
She then argued that I should just put $30 on the any-seven, as it pays better. I told her the $6 vig was worth not losing on a 2,3,11,12. She argued that I could put $30 on the any-seven, and put my $6 vig on the craps bet, and it would cover my bets. I then argued with her that I would now lose $36 on a point (which occurs more frequently).
I also told her I could get even better odds if I would bet so my payout is $39 on each number (or roughly) (The casino takes $1 out of any winnings up to (not including) $40), and that would be the only argument I would take from her. A new dealer came in and she apologized for the "idiot" making the lay bets...
It's your fucking job. I realize that it is more work for you to put up all the lay bets, but that's not my problem.
I ended up turning $600 into $2200 that night with a good roll. When I cashed out, I asked the superviser (middle guy at the table, can't remember his actual title) to speak with me after he colored me up. I told him I would not be tipping the dealers and I told him the dealers name who called me an idiot.

Why not Bet $282 Across the back (60/45/36/36/45/60) and drop $6 for every natural to get $180?
So if I'm reading this right, you had $180 across the back an drop $6 for every natural to get $120?
You're paying the same $6 for less at risk to win less...

Quote: DJTeddyBear

I think the dealer tip cap is illegal too. Or at least unethical, since the tips are being diverted from the customer's intended recipient.

It's not ILLEGAL..but it is pretty dumb...however, I asked one particular dealer, why they continue to work there..their response "I gotta eat."...Now I see why the caliber of employee's is so high...
It's either that casino or on the street, apparently, LOL.

At my local casino, what they do is set up the bet after the throw, and only put up the bet on the number thrown (in the case of 7, they put up all the bets), and return the rest of the money. They put all of the money aside until then and put a lay marker on it, in front of the box.

I can honestly say I have had more problems with rude and paranoid pit bosses than dealers.

I agree that the pit is often more annoying than the dealers or box.
The other day I was on a long roll, setting the dice on the point and throwing a high vertical drop lob from straight away.
The pit kept coming over and telling me to hit the wall even though both dice
were traveling at least 12 feet and peaking about eye level.
I was actually hitting the wall on most rolls, but not sufficiently enough for this prick apparently.
Sure I know I'm supposed to hit the wall on every roll, but did he really think I was some mechanic getting one over on them?
I think he didn't like how close together the dice were staying and figured I was up to something.
I personally don't believe in controlled shooting, but I guess some of these pit bosses aren't sure...

Quote: TIMSPEED

Why not Bet $282 Across the back (60/45/36/36/45/60) and drop $6 for every natural to get $180?
So if I'm reading this right, you had $180 across the back an drop $6 for every natural to get $120?
You're paying the same $6 for less at risk to win less...

You and this dealer would have gotten along well.

I agree that betting 60-45-36 would be better in terms of HE because you win more with the same vig. I normally don't do it because it's hard enough to explain to the dealers my bet.

However, it is still better then the any 7 bet.

I risk $30 on each number to win $112 when a seven is rolled (15+20+25+25+20+15)-6(the vig)...

Putting $30 on the any-7 pays 4 to 1, or pays $120. However, the any 7 bet loses on 2,3,11, and 12, which has P = (1/6). So the lay bet is obviously a better bet.

Quote: Triplell

You and this dealer would have gotten along well.

I agree that betting 60-45-36 would be better in terms of HE because you win more with the same vig. I normally don't do it because it's hard enough to explain to the dealers my bet.

However, it is still better then the any 7 bet.

I risk $30 on each number to win $112 when a seven is rolled (15+20+25+25+20+15)-6(the vig)...

Putting $30 on the any-7 pays 4 to 1, or pays $120. However, the any 7 bet loses on 2,3,11, and 12, which has P = (1/6). So the lay bet is obviously a better bet.

I understand your theory...and bigred and/or horn is a crummy bet..that dealer obviously wanted you to lose..hell she could have recommended a $30 3-way red ($10 on on on each of the 7's for $150) and a $2 hi/lo-$4 acedeuce...

.DP..

Quote: DJTeddyBear

That's not the same at all. You're right that they are kinda renting the stage. But they pay that fee regardless of how much they make. No cap - and no minimum either.

I think the dealer tip cap is illegal too. Or at least unethical, since the tips are being diverted from the customer's intended recipient.

Right, not the same as a cap, but this is paying an upfront fee, with no guarantee of getting the money back. Which is sorta the same with the casino cap I think. Paying up front fees to receive payment is usually a scam, or some super sketchy business deal. A couple years ago I was looking for a job and found a description of something on the internet. It was vague, but I filled out the small form anyway. Twenty mins later I got a phone call to come in that day for an "interview". I thought to myself, there is no way this a legit thing, but thought I really have nothing to lose, so might as well.

As soon as I step in, I feel like it's some kind of set-up for a con-job. There's a couple of fake plants, and crappy chairs and everything sort of looked "make-shift". There were even magazines addressed to two different people. I briefly talk to the woman in charge, and she's staring at me with big bug eyes, and talking sorta slow and well enunciated. She looked blank, sorta freaked me out. Then she gave a little presentation to a small group of us. Basically they wanted us to become salesmen for a knife set. But we had to buy the knives first. All in all I was there about 45 mins and couldn't wait to escape.

Even if the shooter is a Don't player The Stickman has a set patter-line for when a Seven rolls and when a Point Rolls. If a shooter from the Don't makes the Point Number... the Stickman still intones: Winner, Front Line Winner.... .