Dice Setting Rules at Local Casino Make No Sense
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Transcript: Setting of the dice by the "shooter" for the deliberate purpose of delaying the game is not allowed.
One: If I was setting the dice, why would I deliberately slow the game down? Doesn't help me.
Two: If this is used as a blanket to shun slow dice setters (shouldn't happen because you should be practicing and not be slow), how do you prove that the setter was deliberately intending to slow the play?
Three: Your answer will probably be, well if the dice setter is consistently slow, than they should not be allowed to shoot. My response is: How slow is slow? I have seen drunk people take waaaaay longer to roll the dice than the average "slow" dice setter. They don't get any heat at all. But at the same time, if you can't set the dice, pick em, grip em, and rip em, within 3-6 seconds, you need to practice more.
One study found that an average dice setter could receive the dice, set the dice, make their throw, and have an apparent decision(dice have stopped moving) within 4-8 seconds.
It found that the average "random" roller had a decision within..........4-8 seconds of getting the dice from the stick.
So if the average speed of the average dice setter (ignore outliers), is the same as the average random roller, why even have this rule at all?
Just some things to think about.
I think the spirit of the rule is okay, if a little ridiculous. You don't want a game held up by somebody who takes forever to throw the dice, allowing other players to make bets in the meantime. The key word, as you correctly point out, is DELIBERATELY. Who determines that an action like that is "deliberate?" I can hear the conversation now...
"Sir, we need to talk to you about your dice setting. Are you deliberately setting them slow?"
"Why yes I am! I'm trying to garner more comp dollars to use at your buffet, and if I spend an extra thirty seconds setting my dice, I'll get another 2 cents!"
Quote: Tiltpoul
"Sir, we need to talk to you about your dice setting. Are you deliberately setting them slow?"
"Why yes I am! I'm trying to garner more comp dollars to use at your buffet, and if I spend an extra thirty seconds setting my dice, I'll get another 2 cents!"
I just laughed my ass off. HAHA. Legit.
The guys who do it in a couple of seconds -- who know how they are going to rotate the dice as the stick is pushing them to him -- those are the guys you have to worry about.
And what about the guy who is ordering drinks, high fiving, asking his girl to kiss the dice, etc who takes 60 seconds to yell repeatedly "that's what we do, that's what we do" it's okay for him to delay the game?
lol
they want a posted rule to stop a mechanic. unfortunately a mechanic is so fast the rule -- as posted -- won't apply.
Quote: AlanMendelsonThe casino should encourage the dice setters who take a looooong time... because they don't know what they're doing.
The guys who do it in a couple of seconds -- who know how they are going to rotate the dice as the stick is pushing them to him -- those are the guys you have to worry about.
This is true. :)
Quote:They want a posted rule to stop a mechanic. unfortunately a mechanic is so fast the rule -- as posted -- won't apply.
This is exactly what I was thinking, I just couldn't put it into words. Thank you!
Dice setters are zero threat - unless they are also control shooters (and even then, it's open to debate).Quote: AlanMendelsonThe casino should encourage the dice setters who take a looooong time... because they don't know what they're doing.
The guys who do it in a couple of seconds -- who know how they are going to rotate the dice as the stick is pushing them to him -- those are the guys you have to worry about.
How much of a "No threat" are they?
I recently saw a guy setting the Flying V, but then he'd just pick them up and toss them any ol' way.
It was so silly that after a few throws like that, the stick was actually turning the dice and giving them to him already set for the Flying V. But then he'd still pick up each one and rotate it so. Sometimes they'd be exactly as the stick provided, sometimes they'd switch sides. After a couple times of that, I mentioned it to the guy. He said he knows, but this is his routine, and he will throw a long time doing this. Sure enough, the dice were given to him in the V again, he reset them, and threw a 7. Guess who's fault THAT was....
On the other hand, I have seen maybe a dozen shooters at various casinos who give me the impression that they have watched (and paid for) the same stupid video. Not only do they slowwwly and carefully set each die, but they then bend over the rail, straighten up, grasp the rail with both hands, lean back giving the rail a little tug as if they are aligning their spines with the dice cosmos, then finally pick up the dice. They tap the dice on the table, then hook their wrists in an obviously-awkward position, and heave the cubes down the table. I've never seen one get a hot streak, but I wouldn't be too upset if the house encouraged them to perform their act just a little faster -- not in a rush now, just before everyone else falls asleep. Anyone know whose video/seminar they are copying with that absurd routine?
Quote: DJTeddyBearI recently saw a guy setting the Flying V, but then he'd just pick them up and toss them any ol' way.
Ha, exactly, I see this way too often. I just roll my eyes and play on. Some people just like to do it. Hey go for it!
Quote:Guess who's fault THAT was....
I can't believe you did that. You should have chanted the usual incantation and spun in a counterclockwise direction 4 times. How DARE you!
Quote: Docbut they then bend over the rail, straighten up, grasp the rail with both hands, lean back giving the rail a little tug as if they are aligning their spines with the dice cosmos, then finally pick up the dice. They tap the dice on the table, then hook their wrists in an obviously-awkward position, and heave the cubes down the table. I've never seen one get a hot streak, but I wouldn't be too upset if the house encouraged them to perform their act just a little faster -- not in a rush now, just before everyone else falls asleep. Anyone know whose video/seminar they are copying with that absurd routine?
Weird. Not any of the ones that I've watched. This sounds downright obnoxious. The whole point of controlled shooting is to be relaxed and natural. Throwing in an extra routine that sets your mind to your goal is fine. But it becomes an issue when you:
A: Take so much time, that it delays the game, OR
B: You look like a moron.
...and sacrifice a chicken...Quote: YoDiceRoll11I can't believe you did that. You should have chanted the usual incantation and spun in a counterclockwise direction 4 times. How DARE you!
Quote: boymimboCasinos frown on slowing the game down. One player would spend a full minute setting the dice and ended up flinging them anyway.
Absolutely worthless.
But it is a good idea to tip the crew even if you are just a random shooter. Good people.
They have enough tables that they usually have one too many, and the empty ones don't get any heat.
Quote: clamchowderIt's been a few months since I've played at Tulalip, but I have never had any issues with setting the dice. If anything, I have more recently seen bored dealers and pit bosses just biding their time until the end of their shift.
They have enough tables that they usually have one too many, and the empty ones don't get any heat.
That's usually what I've encountered also.
Quote: vert1276Its not a bad place to play, the only thing that pisses me off about the place is they never open the second table no matter how crowded it gets..
Have you been there on a Friday night? They have ALL the craps tables open.
Haven't made my way to AOTW yet. I live east of Seattle. Going to have to check it out!
Quote: AlanMendelsonIve played at many of the major Strip casinos -- Bellagio, Caesars, MGM, NYNY, Paris, Ballys, Flamingo... and in more than 15 years Ive never heard any criticism about a shooter delaying the game... for dice setting, for ordering drinks, for kissing girl friends, for yelling over to friends at blackjack, nothing.... I was even at a table where they held up the game so the shooter could go to the restroom.
Yeah, it all depends on the situation. There was a drunk guy last time I was out at the tables, and he was the shooter, rolled a point, and than walked 10 feet away from the table to talk to some friends "for a minute". lol. Didn't bother me, was just funny to see some guy that is completely oblivious.
Just gotta roll with it, and it is in the casino's best interest to roll with it too, people that delay things are just part of life. Just sit back and laugh at them. At least that's my take on it.
There were two guys on the other side, one guy on my side. The guy near me was older than dirt, shaky hands, hard of hearing, the works. It took him forever to place his bets, and he wasn't even shooting.
But he was betting blacks. And a lot of them, so it was understandable that the stickman was running the game slow to allow this guy to get his bets down.
At one point, the dealer on my side gave a look like he was sorry that they had to wait for this guy. I politely stated that I actually prefer a slow action table. No problem.
Quote: DJTeddyBear
At one point, the dealer on my side gave a look like he was sorry that they had to wait for this guy. I politely stated that I actually prefer a slow action table. No problem.
If only everyone could be like you and I.
Ahhhhh. We should build a slow action casino where nobody is an asshole, and nobody is rushed.
