DrEntropy
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January 9th, 2012 at 11:08:40 PM permalink
A few days ago at the craps table, a player walks up with a free play coupon for \$25. After some discussion with the dealers about what bets he could use this on, he places it on the Don't come. The shooter rolls a 6, and the dealer asks if the player wants to keep the money on the don't come and try for a better number. He had some phrase he used that I can't recall (anyone?). This is obviously a bad play, as the player is giving up the best of it, and I was surprised at the dealer giving such bad advice. The

Has any one seen this, and know what phrase was used? The dealer made it sound like he was giving the player a great deal by letting him go for a different number, and the player took it. Worked out for him since the shooter then rolled a four, which is too bad as this player is going to walk away thinking the dealer did him a favor.
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7craps
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January 9th, 2012 at 11:33:14 PM permalink
Quote: DrEntropy

A few days ago at the craps table, a player walks up with a free play coupon for \$25. After some discussion with the dealers about what bets he could use this on, he places it on the Don't come. The shooter rolls a 6, and the dealer asks if the player wants to keep the money on the don't come and try for a better number. He had some phrase he used that I can't recall (anyone?). This is obviously a bad play, as the player is giving up the best of it, and I was surprised at the dealer giving such bad advice. The

Has any one seen this, and know what phrase was used? The dealer made it sound like he was giving the player a great deal by letting him go for a different number, and the player took it. Worked out for him since the shooter then rolled a four, which is too bad as this player is going to walk away thinking the dealer did him a favor.

Yes, Bad dealer, but some houses do encourage this type of action by their dice dealers.
The dealer might ask "do you want action on the 6?"

When I dealt and taught Dice last century it was normally "no action" by the player
and a GOOD dice dealer should say “No action behind the SIX, plays on the don’t come!”.
Most dealers just say " no action on the (number thrown)

real poor dealers will say just "no action" and could get caught by the player if the next roll is a 7 or 11 and the player yells he wanted NO ACTION. I have seen that happen on a few occasions when there was no box.

A great time to buy that DC for the alert craps player.
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FleaStiff
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January 9th, 2012 at 11:45:20 PM permalink
"No Action".
Often the dealers actually think it is a sensible thing to do. That a "Don't Player" is offered the option is good though. Most people on the Don't realize that a popular or more easily made point number is not quite the deal that betting a Seven will roll before an unpopular number such as 4 or 10.
Its mathematically unwise for the player to give up the deal he has but its often emotionally pleasing.
Don't think dealers always give the best advice.
7craps
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January 9th, 2012 at 11:48:20 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Don't think dealers always give the best advice.

So true. And some casinos encourage their dealers to do just that.
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FleaStiff
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January 10th, 2012 at 12:05:32 AM permalink
Quote: 7craps

So true. And some casinos encourage their dealers to do just that.

If I were some omniscient General Manager of a casino I would encourage this "no action" thing too, simply because its an example of giving the customer what they want. If the players are happier this way, so be it. Thats what that dumb wheel at the casino entrance is for: to provide some action to those who want it but are a bit timid and not quite so well informed.
odiousgambit
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January 10th, 2012 at 2:44:47 AM permalink
Quote: 7craps

A great time to buy that DC for the alert craps player.

How does this usually go?
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DJTeddyBear
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January 10th, 2012 at 5:17:20 AM permalink
No action on the DC? Sure, the casino will allow it.

Anytime a casino lets the bettor do ANYTHING, it's in the casino's advantage for the bettor to do so.

This goes doubly so if the casino is actually encouraging it.

For the record, this also includes merely walking in the door...
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DJTeddyBear
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January 10th, 2012 at 5:29:42 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

How does this usually go?

Since it's NOT in the casino's interest to allow a bystander to buy the bet, I assume that the bystander has to pay the bettor the value of the bet first. Then the bettor can tell the dealers to give it to the bystander.
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odiousgambit
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January 10th, 2012 at 6:15:08 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Since it's NOT in the casino's interest to allow a bystander to buy the bet, I assume that the bystander has to pay the bettor the value of the bet first. Then the bettor can tell the dealers to give it to the bystander.

the expected value of the bet, or the face value of the bet?

would the pit boss have to OK this?
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DJTeddyBear
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January 10th, 2012 at 7:27:22 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

the expected value of the bet, or the face value of the bet?

Since the bettor is just looking to cancel his DC and get his bet back, I'd say face value.

After all, if he realized the expected value, he'd leave the damn bet up!

Quote: odiousgambit

would the pit boss have to OK this?

Unsure.
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