Multiple betting Scheme- Good...

Have played the following for 2 day sessions, first win was $1400 and second win was $580 so obviously it is doing very well thusfar. Expect some big swings, however, up and down $300 swings are common and fast, so not for the real conservative player.

$5 pass and $30 odds. Anytime a 6 or 8 is rolled, then place both at $30, make sure to wait for 6 or 8 to roll once, either on come out or post come out, before betting the 6 and 8. If the point is 6 or 8, then $30 odds and immediately place the sister at $30. So stick with this 2 or 3 bets and using a $800 day bankroll, must have the necessary bankroll. If the point is 6 or 8 will have max of 2 bets, if the point is outside number then max 3 bets.
Example, shooter's first point is 5, so $30 odds on the 5. Then a 6 is rolled, so place the 6 and 8 at $30 each. He makes the 5, next point is 6 so take down the $30 place bet on the 6 and use it for odds, and keep the 8 $30 place bet. No pressing or regressing. Pass-odds, and placing the 6 and 8 after one is rolled. Keep the odds bet and the 6,8 place bets equal at $30 bets.
The end for now..

The strategy seems solid in the sense you are making all low house edge bets. At the same time, all of the bets have a house edge. If you make this same bet over 100,000+ rounds, you will end up losing, though. Where you end up after a session will depend on where you are in the very scientific "luck" curve.

Craps is a negative expectation game... period. You will lose over time. In the short run you can have some nice wins.

The only way to beat the casino, dare I say it, is to make the dice perform the way you want them to. And good luck with that.

Last night, had a difficult win. Was down at one point about $500, eventually pulled out a $140 win in a marathon 8 hr session. I did go to 3 bets total if the point is 6 or 8 then pass odds and place the sister. Then place bet the next inside number rolled for 3 bet total. $30 bets on odds and place bets and have upped the day session bankroll to $1000. Now 3 day wins of $1400, $580, and $140. Felt like last night could have easily resulted in a loss, but got lucky on a good spurt, one shooter in particular rolled a bunch of 6 and 8s and points.

So max of 3 bets, always pass-odds, then 6 and 8 place after one is rolled, and if the point is 6 or 8 then place the sister and the next inside number rolled for 3 bets total. $30 bets on odds and place bets, and $1000 day session bankroll. The 3 bets seem about right, not too many and still enough action, better to bet larger $ amounts on fewer good numbers than the standard across or inside betting.

Still winning with this pass-odds, 6 and 8 place AFTER one is rolled, and after one hit then expanding out to 3-4 bets including the pass-odds and place bets. Having big $500 swings with $20,24 bets, and $30 bets if winning for the session, BUT still winning with it using a large $1000 day session bankroll, lately wins are in the smaller $150-200 range.

After a big loss with the above, have made some improvements. Since then have had two good consecutive $700 day sessions wins(unusual for me as I am a conservative $ player).

Here it is: $5 pass and $10 odds to start the new shooter. IF an inside number is rolled after the point is established, then place bet all the inside numbers at $10,12 each. Then if the first point is made, start pressing on the second point sequence every other hit until all bets get to $20,24. Simple enough and GOOD wins thusfar. Using a $700 day session bankroll.

I do like my new pressing scheme, i.e. starting pressing AFTER the first point is made and in combo with the every other hit. After many different pressing approaches, this seems to work the best for me.

Also, the waiting for the inside number to be rolled AFTER the initial point is established before inside place betting seems to get me thru the frequent cold spells with minimal overall losses.

How are you doing long term? Are you keeping track?

Ted: Since the start of this thread, +$3300. Did have a $490 loss last night with my latest making it +710, +680, -490.
The original scheme at the start of this thread went +1400, +580, +140, +130, +170, +980, -1150.
Sure do like the overall net results.

On the second point, do you press on the first hit and skip the second hit, or do you take the first hit and press the second? Are you pressing in $5 and $6 units?

Thanks! Nice way to play.

Wrongway: On the second point sequence when I start pressing, I press on the first hit, collect on the second hit, press, take, press, take until all bets get up to $20,24. I do a full press to $20,24 bets on each.

Thanks! I tried it on WinCraps and was down a good $450 and then one good "shooter" got me back to $125 up. Kind of fun. I can see the opportunity to have a nice win if you catch the good hand early on.

I am now finally coming to the following conclusions, and most are common sense:

1. It is impossible to time your bets. Sometimes timing works and sometimes not, but overall it does NOT help results. Decide on which bets you want to make and just go for it, shooter qualifying does not help overall.

2. Rather base your bets strictly on the numbers.
Examples: Get your money back on the shooter before pressing. Play with a 20x shooter bankroll, most players are severely underfunded. Inside betting with pass-odds seems to work best for me, meaning most hands will have 4 bets total, sometimes 5 bets if the point is 4 or 10. Make sure to press on the good hands after recouping the initial outlay, have to take advantage of the few good hands.

I will never understand the place bet "after they hit once" or as some people say "they need to prove themselves" LOL like the dice have some sort of memory. Gamblers and their superstitions is what makes the games great LOL

Having BETTER results simply with the pass-odds and 6 and 8 place, rather than inside betting with the pass odds. Just making bigger bets with fewer numbers covered.

So here is my current betting scheme, $5 pass and triple odds. Once a 6 or 8 is rolled on the come out or after the point is established, then place betting the 6 and 8 at $18 bets. If the point is 6 or 8, just place the sister. Then keep the 6 and 8 bets along with the pass-odds for remainder of the hand. AFTER collecting 3 hits total, then start pressing individually the 6,8 going to $30 each. Then same bet for remainder of hand. Using a relatively large $700 day session bankroll.

Those 6 and 8s have been disappearing for long stretches lately, so have gone back to inside betting.

Latest session was a good $320 win simply using this scheme: $5 pass and $10 odds. Wait for an inside number to be rolled after the point is established, then inside place bets at $10,12 each. Collect 3 hits, then full individual presses until all bets(place and odds bets) get to $24, 20 so each press is one time only per number, and simply continue with inside place betting along with the pass-odds for remainder of hand. On a half way decent table, this is a good performer and a $700 day session bankroll is about right.

Good post. I like reading how people do at the tables over a period of time and not just how they had one good or one bad night. (although those can be good too) I am courious in the way you play. Do you play for fun or to make money or both?? Do you have a win / loss limit when u play??? When you started the post you had a nice simple method of play which had some good results, but then you started swithing to more bets with fewer money, then to inside bets. I dont think there is one best method of play. Yes there are comebets that mathematically are the best bets, but that doesn't mean you will win more than the guy making place bets in the same session. I guess what I'm trying to say is shouldn't you expect to win some sessions and lose other sessions so just keep to one method of play starting with higher bets like you did in your first post then if the dice go south just reduce those same bets unitl you reach your stop limit???

My method of play at a $5 table is passline with 3x4x5 odds then place remaining inside numbers $25, $30, $30, $25. Every two hits I raise $25 or $30 depending on the 2nd number hit and stop at 3x original bet. I just play this way until I reach may loss limit -$500 or win limit +$500. I find this is a simple way to play. All wins (when they are equal with raises) pay the same which helps me keep track of the bank roll. As expected I've had nice wins and some loses. Is this the best way to play??? I dont know, but I have fun.

Clownkeeper: I am now favoring the inside betting along with pass-odds likewise with the pressing after recouping the initial bets. I do think at least a 10x shooter bankroll is necessary for this volatile game, meaning if my exposure per shooter is about $50-$60, then prefer a $700 day session bankroll for a little extra cushion. That session bankroll thing is important, not too much but enough.

I do think adding some form of shooter qualifier, before placing inside bets, often helps with the many cold spells. Just last night there were 5 consecutive shooters that did not roll ANY inside numbers or points before the ugly showed up. Ended up with another good $370 win last night as did not dig too deep a deficit with the cold spells with my shooter qualifier, and then had some good shooters. Personally like the one inside number roll after the point is established before inside betting. I do always have my pass-odds in action.

Sometimes it works, sometimes nothing works, that's gambling, and its sure fun on the good days..

Last night was a record PSOs that I witnessed. SEVEN consecutive shooters thru first roll seven outs. My waiting for an inside number to be rolled post point kept me hanging, but too many short rolls overall for a session loss. Loss wiped out exactly my prior two session gains, crazy game.

And THAT'S why I quit playing craps.
No matter what you do, it'll always be a loser.
I watched the other night (only because some guys I know were playing, and they play BIG and CRAZY; ie: $200 outside and parlay hardways)
The table went 5 shooters in a row with only 3-&-out (point-number-number-7), then a shooter rolled a point and a COUPLE numbers...then back to 3-&-out for a few more shooters.
The best method I've found is not to play, or if you ABSOLUTELY MUST play...bet a $5 come bet after the point is established and take single odds, then follow it up with ANOTHER come back with single odds.

Tim: I understand exactly your point. Certainly multiple bet schemes are tough to win with over many sessions, some form of shooter qualifier will sometimes help with the cold streaks, sometimes nothing works as still must have some good rolls sometime during the session with inside betting.
Probably better to bet just the pass-odds with some form of betting scheme on the odds bet, and hope some points are rolled, but at this stage it is just too boring for me.

Making money playing positive expectation games is never boring for me...

What positive expectation game are your playing, TimS, and how are you doing it?
I tried the simple counting scheme of Frank Scoblete several sessions, did NOT win for me. Making big bets when favorable high cards are in the deck did not work overall for me, the dealer was getting the good hands too often.

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I will never understand the place bet "after they hit once" or as some people say "they need to prove themselves" LOL like the dice have some sort of memory. Gamblers and their superstitions is what makes the games great LOL

well thats just it, and thats why the only way to win at craps is to be standing on the other side of the table.