Organic Craps- New automated Craps

Just played this automated Craps 'slot machine' at Fantasy Casino in Indio, CA (south of Palm Springs)
Company site: HERE
Video HERE
The company's website does not have a direct email for game comments and reviews, maybe it will shortly.

Strange. I would have expected electronic dice with perhaps some display dice as a decoration.
Rules not known by programmer? That is not a surprise.
Buttons with no acknowledgment is not a surprise either.

If you don't think its random... pounce on it.

I just wonder how this complies with California laws that even on Indian reservations do not permit any wager to be settled solely by dice.

I would find it irresistible to play the Don't... not my advice to you, but I'm just saying.

Quote: odiousgambit

I would find it irresistible to play the Don't... not my advice to you, but I'm just saying.

After the first 3-4 hours that is what we did exactly. At first I was not counting the actual # of 7s, but had to go back to my notes for the running count.

It brought us back up and gave us a net profit but looking back I was thinking all the time is this really happening?
A 7 every 3 rolls or so?

They would also come in large streaks. 3, 4 or 5 in a row. That kills a few don't bets. So laying the point became very profitable and laying all the numbers on the comeout worked well as long as you could turn them ON, since the default was Lays and hardways were always OFF on the comeout roll.
Then you think they will slow down for a bit, no way.
I wonder if it was because the dice were worn uneven and they were no longer producing random rolls.

I still do not trust the Indian Casinos. never have and never will.
Let us see if the game makes its way to Nevada casinos

That newscaster at the end of the video must know something about the game...six the hardway, six the hardway...lol

-Alan

Quote: Alan

That newscaster at the end of the video must know something about the game...six the hardway, six the hardway...lol

-Alan

I caught that one also.

Electronic table games. The wave of the near future? I do not think so.

If you do not like them, do not play them, I say.

I played Rapid Craps recently and after 1 year of being in a Las Vegas Casino (Bill's) it still is very slow and will not win over many experienced Craps players.

>>>My friend hit a 2 at 30 to 1 with $40 bet, a $1240 payout and the machine locked him out for further play as it generated a W2G payout, just like a slot machine. Took 15 minutes and he was NOT able to make or even have any access to HIS $1500 that was in the machine.
WTF?!?
That cost him about $700 lost in the next 10 rolls.
That feature really SUCKS for a high roller!!!<<<<

This was one of my major problems with some of the Pennsylvania electronic Table games when they started. I was going up and down one day and bet something like $220 on a BJ hand. I split the hand, and doubled 1 of the splits and won $660, meaning I was 'paid out' $1320. That locked the game and made me wait for a W2. I didn't even net a $1200 win, it was only $660. They were extremely slow in getting to me, and when they did they were like "Wow! Big winner! Congrats!" I was like "Well, not really, half of that is my bet, I really have to have a W2?" I continued to try to explain it to the slot attendant but to no avail. Nice that they expect me to report $660 of my own bet as a win.

Quote: 7craps

I still do not trust the Indian Casinos. never have and never will.

My sentiments exactly. They are close by... that is their only advantage. There is no other.
Sure you may think they are trying to measure up but I just don't think they equal Vegas in quality or honesty.

So you made money by playing on the don'ts?

I've played the game. It's at some casinos in AZ.

I like it. Much better than Shufflemaster's electronic version IMO. I like the physical dice. I think you can play sic bo at the same time people are playing craps. $1 - 3x4x5x odds here. No free drinks.

Never seen anything weird with the seven. As a matter of fact, I have gotten on some pretty hot rolls.

The record rolls feature is completely busted here too. Been stuck at 10 for days and days.

By the way, did you figure out what country the machines come from? The text on the display kept telling me to "stake" my bet. Near as I can tell from the website they are based out of Slovenia ...

Couldn't they come up with something a little more entertaining than that dice vibrating do-dad; like some kind of automated dice tosser? At least you'd get to see them fly!

I finally watched the videos.

That vibrating thing is lame at best. At worst, it will encourage people to think that the vibrating doesn't stop until it gets a roll it likes. Personally when I first saw it, I thought that it was going to be an automated Pop-O-Matic type thing.

I don't trust dice with embedded RFID being properly balanced.

I don't trust dice with rounded edges.

I don't trust dice that aren't see-thru.


Bottom line: I have no desire to play the game.

Putting in RFID's should be easy to balance, as each chip will weigh the same.

The rolling mechanism sucks though. I'm guessing you need rounded edges in that set up to get them to randomize....

Apparently they have this game in Arizona. I guess because you don't physically handle the dice, its ok under the compact, which doesn't allow normal craps. Governments are wierd.

Quote: DrEntropy

Apparently they have this game in Arizona. I guess because you don't physically handle the dice, its ok under the compact, which doesn't allow normal craps. Governments are wierd.

Yes they are.
Same explanation given in CA.
The slot supervisor also said it was classified as a slot machine and not a table game and that is why dice can be used.

The time the "Dice Generator" was vibrating was always different. Around the 4 second mark. But sometimes it was only 3.5 or 4.5 or even 5 seconds. I wonder how that is determined.
I plan on going there again this weekend and check it out more closely.

Quote: 7craps

The time the "Dice Generator" was vibrating was always different. Around the 4 second mark. But sometimes it was only 3.5 or 4.5 or even 5 seconds. I wonder how that is determined.

Perhaps this is how the duration is determined....

Quote: DJTeddyBear

That vibrating thing is lame at best. At worst, it will encourage people to think that the vibrating doesn't stop until it gets a roll it likes.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Perhaps this is how the duration is determined....
That vibrating thing is lame at best. At worst, it will encourage people to think that the vibrating doesn't stop until it gets a roll it likes.

That is a good point I missed in your previous post.

The rounded dice, with 3 of them all at once banging into each other, take some wild rides with crazy turns before they come to a stop. The videos do not show how crazy they can get. I am sure the manufacture tested all the variables.

I also agree with you, if you agree with me, that the 'pop-a-matic' style as used in Sic Bo, like at MoSun and Foxwoods in CT, would be a far better solution, already time tested.

In CA, the dice (in this slot machine) do offer more excitement than the card craps versions and a closer drive than the 3.5 hour drive to Vegas.

Quote: 7craps

In CA, the dice (in this slot machine) do offer more excitement than the card craps versions and a closer drive than the 3.5 hour drive to Vegas.

I've never been to Cali, but based upon some of the description here about Card Craps, and the multitude of ways it's been implemented, I guess I'd rather have dancing dice. Of course, I'd rather have a table with dealers, so I guess I'd still go with Card Craps.