something I have never seen before

So I was playing at one of my local casino that I never play at. Only went there becasue some friends were going. They had a $5 caps table with 5x's odds. So I made a come bet. the shooter rolled a 5. I went to place odds max odds on my come bet. Throw the dealer a green chip, figuring I would just get screwed out of the 50 cents. as $25 at true odds would pay $37.50. I figured they would just pay $37. So I throw the dealer the green, and he says "we allow you to play $26 worth of odds on the 5 and 9 so the pay off comes out to a whole number." Is this normal? Has anyone else seen this before? In Vegas I normally play on a 3-4-5 odds table and my normal local casino has 10x's odds. so I normally never run across betting an odd number on the 5 and 9.

Quote: vert1276

So I was playing at one of my local casino that I never play at. Only went there becasue some friends were going. They had a $5 caps table with 5x's odds. So I made a come bet. the shooter rolled a 5. I went to place odds max odds on my come bet. Throw the dealer a green chip, figuring I would just get screwed out of the 50 cents. as $25 at true odds would pay $37.50. I figured they would just pay $37. So I throw the dealer the green, and he says "we allow you to play $26 worth of odds on the 5 and 9 so the pay off comes out to a whole number." Is this normal? Has anyone else seen this before? In Vegas I normally play on a 3-4-5 odds table and my normal local casino has 10x's odds. so I normally never run across betting an odd number on the 5 and 9.

first off, 26 is an even number. and for odds that pay 3:2 such as the 5 and 9, betting 25 comes out to 37.5 as you said, and to make it easier they make you bet 26 to make it come out to 39. its not something ive never heard of nor havent seen before. its honestly just for the sake of simplicity

It certainly is normal in MS. After the win the dealer pays $40 (plus the linebet) and takes the white chip.

Here at my local Native American casino they have have 5x odds.

They'll let you go $30 odds(even number)on the 5/9 with $5 on the pass line.

Again, it makes for easier payouts.

Dealers sometimes have to learn not to BS too much particularly if the table is busy at the time. Best would be something simple like throw me one more dollar for a better payout on your odds bet. That would allow you to figure out what was happening without a long winded statement by him using the exact figures . Normally its 5 pays 7.50. Or: Odds Bet plus Half. (Though for some reason it seems 5 pays only 7.00 on a one-dollar table, but I don' t see why). For this reason, there is the "Always have Even Odds on an Odd Number". Therefore the 5 and 9 on a five dollar line bet would not be the expected 25.00 but would get bumped up to 26.00 to make things go faster and have fewer gripes.

Now some casinos have to offer inducements because of their geography and in some areas it may simply be traditional but whatever the situation is, just drop down the "extra" white and work out the math as you can. If the dealer is offering you a better deal, go for it.

Did I say somewhere in my post that 26 was an odd number? LOL and ya i get the whole point of it is to get an even pay out and to make things easier for everyone. Just I had just never run across it before is all. And wanted to know if this was the norm. Like if I was in vegas playing at a 5X's odds table, would I just assume I can play $26.

Quote: vert1276

Did I say somewhere in my post that 26 was an odd number? LOL and ya i get the whole point of it is to get an even pay out and to make things easier for everyone. Just I had just never run across it before is all. And wanted to know if this was the norm. Like if I was in vegas playing at a 5X's odds table, would I just assume I can play $26.

I've actually never played anywhere (in NJ, PA, CT, NV) where they DIDN'T let you go to 30 on a $5 Pass/Come bet when it's 5x odds. We've discussed this before on here, but when you bet middling pass line bets like $15, they often let you bet odds much higher than a simple 5x. We figured out the formula, but you'll have to search the message boards for it. For example, bet $15 on the line and I think you can go to $100 on 5/9 and $125 on 6/8 in most places I've played.

And, bottom line: As greedy as casinos can seem to be, or are accused of being, they're not THAT greedy.

They'd rather let you risk a little more and possibly lose it that way, than to screw you on a 50¢ payout.

Quote: vert1276

Like if I was in vegas playing at a 5X's odds table, would I just assume I can play $26.

No, in Vegas you would assume that a full 30.00 in odds would be accepted. Oh in days of old where fifty cent chips abounded in the Downtown casinos things might have been different, but the Days of Old are just that. Now its not just strip casinos that are proud not to have fifty cent chips but virtually everyone in town has minimum chips of one dollar. So 5x 5 is still 25.00 in odds money but in order to get 3:2 payout without any gripes, lectures or discontent, the casinos usually just automatically let people bump up the odds to get a full payout. In Vegas, instead of going from 25 to 26, they go from 25 to 30.

Does this make minor adjustments to the overall house edge? Yeah, I guess it does, but no one seems to much care. 5x is slightly better than 3x4x5x but 3x4x5x is fast and easy for the dealers and surveillance (as well as players) So in Vegas you will often encounter 3x4x5x. This is one reason SamsTown and Main Street Station earn good reputations. The food is good, the booze is good and the odds are 10x or 20x rather than the virtually strip-wide 3x4x5x.

Quote: FleaStiff

.... and Main Street Station earn good reputations. The food is good, the booze is good and the odds are 10x or 20x rather than the virtually strip-wide 3x4x5x.

The beer is awesome....mmmmm, microbrews.

-Alan

The place I used to play offered 3x odds (weird, as I've NEVER seen just "3x" odds before)
anyway..it as a $1 table..but if you played $3, you could take $10 odds (JUST a little better than 3x)
So that's what we always did $3 flat with $10 odds.
Same with the concept of "full double"...just makes thing easier.

Quote: TIMSPEED

Same with the concept of "full double"...just makes thing easier.

That is what most casinos would want: easier, simpler, no repetitive explanations needed, no gripes fostered ... and above all: no unnecessary delays until the next roll when the house edge will exert itself. Just as the house does not win when the Blackjack dealer is shuffling, the house does not win when the dice dealer is making repetitive explanations about odds limits or repetitively handling complaints about odds limits. The house wants to keep the dice moving, not keep a few bucks off that stack of an odds bet. Resolving the flat bet faster is what interests the house.

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I've actually never played anywhere (in NJ, PA, CT, NV) where they DIDN'T let you go to 30 on a $5 Pass/Come bet when it's 5x odds. We've discussed this before on here, but when you bet middling pass line bets like $15, they often let you bet odds much higher than a simple 5x. We figured out the formula, but you'll have to search the message boards for it. For example, bet $15 on the line and I think you can go to $100 on 5/9 and $125 on 6/8 in most places I've played.

Every place I have played that had 5x odds across, the dealers told me they treat a $15 pass bet like it was $25 for figuring max odds.
So $125 behind the 6/8 , and $100 behind the 5/9, on a $15 pass bet.

I used to bet $10 pass, and if the point was 6/8, I would bump the pass to $15, and then go to $125 behind. This effectively was getting me a $5 PUT bet on the 6/8, with 15x odds. Ah the good ole days....... Twas fun when the point hit, but hurt when the 7 out hit. Back then, I had not taken the time to really calculate everything out, so I would increase the pass bet by $5 and then only add another $10 or $15 in odds at times. Now I realize I was limiting my options for no increase in win amount.
($5 PL + $10 odds on 6 gets you $17 , $15 place 6 gets you $14 for the first $12 + $3 for the last $3 = $17. So the payout is the same, but the $15 Place can be pulled down, whereas the $5 pass line increase must stay on the felt, and only the $10 odds bet can be pulled back.)

To the OP, EVERY craps table I have ever played at (around 30 different casinos) have ALL allowed you to make your 5/9 odds amount an even number. I did have one casino not allow me to exceed the max odds, so on the $5 5x table, a $5 pass bet on point 5 I could only put up $24. I feel this is another reason why Vegas really adopted the 3-4-5x tables. There is no reason to ever exceed the max odds, since 4x odds always results in an even amount

Yes, two times odds (what I usually play) is pretty useless, since the payouts are pretty much the same as a place bet. A lot of dealers give me flack about that. But you make it up on the natural winners.

Contemplating playing higher odds lately. Seems silly not to take advantage.

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Yes, two times odds (what I usually play) is pretty useless, Contemplating playing higher odds lately. Seems silly not to take advantage.

I've never felt 2x is useless exactly, its what I've often played, but it is representative of a Sweat The Money place such as a cruise ship or a place such as South Point which I understand still has a 2x limit. The Riviera recently raised its odds rate to the 3x4x5x that is so common in Las Vegas but previously was at a very un-generous 2x. I too think I will step it up more simply because if half the town (almost) at or near 5x then why on earth should I be voluntarily limiting myself to a lowly 2x odds bet limit. The field bet sometimes changes a bit but mostly its going to be a "play wherever you happen to be" situation. Some casinos are rather generous and offer far more appealing odds but that doesn't mean I will make a substantial trek to get to them. MSS is 20x and if I recall correctly Sams Town is only 10x but thats still a good deal. If I'm already downtown, it will be MSS and 777 brews. If I'm out near the Boulder Strip its going to be SamsTown. If its elsewhere, I hope to be able to get more than 2x available to me, even if I sometimes do choose to stay at the 2x level in my betting.

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. MSS is 20x and if I recall correctly Sams Town is only 10x but thats still a good deal. If I'm already downtown, it will be MSS and 777 brews. If I'm out near the Boulder Strip its going to be SamsTown. If its elsewhere, I hope to be able to get more than 2x available to me, even if I sometimes do choose to stay at the 2x level in my betting.

Sam's Town is 20x (with sometimes $3 minimums!) and Eastside Cannery is also 20x. Both are good stores with good crews. Jokers is 10x, as is Boulder Station. Jokers is break-in dealers, but $1 minimums. Don't care for Boulder Station.

I think it's odd that with the three Downtown Boyd Properties(MSS, Cal, Fremont) that one offers 20x odds and the other 2 a mere 2x odds.

Why aren't the Cal and the Fremont a bit more competitive? I'm sure this been this way for many years now.